VOR-Holdings (China)
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Well said. Both of you. I think VRSCE2 presented VOR with his 1500 hours PIC on the B737-800 (flt Sim 2004 edition) and expected to get a NTR PIC position on the 744. No doubt VOR laughed him out of the office, which is why he is so bitter.
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whinging lefties.....
Well said jumb0driver. At last someone with a ball(or two). i have been reading this thread now for a while, and as clondnine said, where are the current employees complaining eh? Well, if they are not doing it here on PPRUNE, then they are not doing it at all. Jumb0driver seems to be a happy, tax compliant employee of an expanding, enjoyable airline that seems to pay handsomely. Shame all you other guys mis read this contract from VOR/Cathay/Parc etc. But then again, since you(Vr....et el) are low time and inexperienced on a 'light twin' according to jumb0driver, it would be unfair to expect more from you really. When I was a boy i played with childish things, now that I am a man, .......I fly a widebody!!!
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you like that eh?!
its a quote from an early 2nd century philosopher. obviously the 2nd half has been changed to suit the 'mood'.
it goes,
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways".
its a quote from an early 2nd century philosopher. obviously the 2nd half has been changed to suit the 'mood'.
it goes,
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways".
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Amazing
This is getting a bit ridiculous (as always). Perhaps some people just didnt see where it obviously stated this was for a first officer position. It is right there in the ad! How could someone possibly misinterpret this!
AIR CHINA CARGO B747-400 TRANSITION CAPTAINS
*Open to current Boeing (single aisle and dual aisle) captains.
*Air China Cargo will pay for your B747-400 type rating and pay you at the same time!
VOR Holdings is NOW accepting applications from Boeing Experienced Captains who would like to Transition to the B747-400 aircraft with Air China Cargo. Not only does this 5 year contract give you job security, you also have the opportunity to make up to US$250,000 per year depend on which leave option you choose (28 days or 45 days leave per year). This is a golden opportunity for B737 NG, B757 and B767 Captains!
Print stating "for first officer position" is invisible unless you have 15,000 hours total flying time.
AIR CHINA CARGO B747-400 TRANSITION CAPTAINS
*Open to current Boeing (single aisle and dual aisle) captains.
*Air China Cargo will pay for your B747-400 type rating and pay you at the same time!
VOR Holdings is NOW accepting applications from Boeing Experienced Captains who would like to Transition to the B747-400 aircraft with Air China Cargo. Not only does this 5 year contract give you job security, you also have the opportunity to make up to US$250,000 per year depend on which leave option you choose (28 days or 45 days leave per year). This is a golden opportunity for B737 NG, B757 and B767 Captains!
Print stating "for first officer position" is invisible unless you have 15,000 hours total flying time.
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What I know
This guys are saying that China is Cheap? it all depends of where and how you live!
Just look in google and you will find out.
Big city in China you ae looking at 10K CNY to live (2 bedroom, cable, internet hot water, heat and A/C in a decent apartment complex where people do not spit around you) Leaving expenses... food and drinks anywhere from as in any big city NYC-Paris-Moscow to 5 times cheaper.
Kids is where you going to suffer (read pay)
I would go with a company that you can take to court at home (in China the law is more of a joke than at home)
Just look in google and you will find out.
Big city in China you ae looking at 10K CNY to live (2 bedroom, cable, internet hot water, heat and A/C in a decent apartment complex where people do not spit around you) Leaving expenses... food and drinks anywhere from as in any big city NYC-Paris-Moscow to 5 times cheaper.
Kids is where you going to suffer (read pay)
I would go with a company that you can take to court at home (in China the law is more of a joke than at home)
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DUDE!
Easy with the chinglish!
Exactly use google! and google MAP! and may be some cityweekend and Beijinger and may be not insulting people. (usually people who insult are doing it because they do not have any other recourse)
BTW those "compounds" are not close to town unless you do not mind living "Saudi Style" housing, like you can spend 2 years in Beijing and not notice.
Anyway the one is going to kill you is your kids schooling as I said.
BTW you can find a studio like for about 4-6K CNY downtown but you HAVE to look HARD!
Exactly use google! and google MAP! and may be some cityweekend and Beijinger and may be not insulting people. (usually people who insult are doing it because they do not have any other recourse)
BTW those "compounds" are not close to town unless you do not mind living "Saudi Style" housing, like you can spend 2 years in Beijing and not notice.
Anyway the one is going to kill you is your kids schooling as I said.
BTW you can find a studio like for about 4-6K CNY downtown but you HAVE to look HARD!
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Who is this Clon D 9!
Is this guy a troll?
Dongzhimen to Terminal 3 15minutes ride (so 30 minutes max) on the Airport Express!
Yes any gated comunity that I have to take a car to go anywhere is a "saudi like" unless you are one of THOSE people that like to live in a place that you might get lost because the are all the same houses. I think that walk, bike and public transport (and taxi is not one) is the way to go, but that is not the thread (Portland over Dallas any day as an example)
PLease do not listen to this TROLL (not an insult, a fact now) the schooling is like a college tuition in the USA, you could go local and there are some good local schools (you will probably will have to bribe some people but that is "standard issue" in China)
Over all IF you family and you can hacked it is not a bad deal for a few years you could go to a "gated comunity" and you family would think they are in the USA or you could mingle downtown, there are options IN TH BIG CITIES. If you go posted to 3 tier city MOST of you will not hack it. oh one more think OMMMMMMM Patience breath and relax onece you are in China most everything is out of your hands if you try to control it you will freak out.
For a NEW Cap I think is a hell of a deal for an old Cap so so.
I think I put it very clear I am done with this thread & troll.
Dongzhimen to Terminal 3 15minutes ride (so 30 minutes max) on the Airport Express!
Yes any gated comunity that I have to take a car to go anywhere is a "saudi like" unless you are one of THOSE people that like to live in a place that you might get lost because the are all the same houses. I think that walk, bike and public transport (and taxi is not one) is the way to go, but that is not the thread (Portland over Dallas any day as an example)
PLease do not listen to this TROLL (not an insult, a fact now) the schooling is like a college tuition in the USA, you could go local and there are some good local schools (you will probably will have to bribe some people but that is "standard issue" in China)
Over all IF you family and you can hacked it is not a bad deal for a few years you could go to a "gated comunity" and you family would think they are in the USA or you could mingle downtown, there are options IN TH BIG CITIES. If you go posted to 3 tier city MOST of you will not hack it. oh one more think OMMMMMMM Patience breath and relax onece you are in China most everything is out of your hands if you try to control it you will freak out.
For a NEW Cap I think is a hell of a deal for an old Cap so so.
I think I put it very clear I am done with this thread & troll.
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The problem with VOR holdings and this contract is that the way it is paid as an independent contractor vs an expat employee of an expat company. That leaves US citizens on the hook for FICA, it has little to do with off shore 'hiding' of income.
No matter who you work for you will have to file chinese and us tax forms, but a qualified accountant can explain the nuances of being a self employed contractor who gets a very hefty 1099 vs filing a standard 1040 with offshore salary paid by an offshore company who already pays a substantial chinese tax bill on your behalf...THAT IS A KEY DIFFERENCE.
No matter who you work for you will have to file chinese and us tax forms, but a qualified accountant can explain the nuances of being a self employed contractor who gets a very hefty 1099 vs filing a standard 1040 with offshore salary paid by an offshore company who already pays a substantial chinese tax bill on your behalf...THAT IS A KEY DIFFERENCE.
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Ratherbehunting hit the nail right on the head... I have been working overseas for the past 5 years and have only worked with foreign contracting agencies for that exact reason. I don't hide my money from the US Gov't, all my money gets wire transferred into my US bank account.. The only difference is that I don't have to pay any taxes on it because I get my money wired from an overseas bank into my US bank and I meet the Expat requirements. If you go with VOR, and if they do pay you as a contractor, that $15000 per month will be like $9000 after you pay taxes to the US gov't using the 1099, the reason VOR does it that way is because it saves them the burden of having to hire you as a full time pilot.
Better off finding a contracting agency outside the US that offers the same deal. This way you get the full $15000 and don't have to worry about a 1099 and just file the standard 2555 expat form instead.
Better off finding a contracting agency outside the US that offers the same deal. This way you get the full $15000 and don't have to worry about a 1099 and just file the standard 2555 expat form instead.
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VOR Worst Agency In China..!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Fellow pilots,
I want to warn you all to be very careful about the following agency..! VOR Company/China Aviation Recruitment or "Ted". Very BAD...!! Just to tell you don't even think about signing an invitation or contract to work in China under this agency..!!!!
This agency is the worst in China..! Just look at your paperwork before you sign..!
They have included a non circumvention for all work in China. Means that once you sign you can only work for them and know one else in China...! DONT SIGN THEIR CRAP..!!!
This agency will abuse you and you will think it is better to work for a communist government than these folks..!
I have worked in China going on 3 years and please be careful, this agency is most abusive..!
Thanks,
On Final
I want to warn you all to be very careful about the following agency..! VOR Company/China Aviation Recruitment or "Ted". Very BAD...!! Just to tell you don't even think about signing an invitation or contract to work in China under this agency..!!!!
This agency is the worst in China..! Just look at your paperwork before you sign..!
They have included a non circumvention for all work in China. Means that once you sign you can only work for them and know one else in China...! DONT SIGN THEIR CRAP..!!!
This agency will abuse you and you will think it is better to work for a communist government than these folks..!
I have worked in China going on 3 years and please be careful, this agency is most abusive..!
Thanks,
On Final
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Clondnine = Vor Holdings
CLONDNINE IS VOR HOLDINGS. IT IS IN HIS BEST INTERESTS TO ATTEMPT TO SQUASH ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT ACC OR PILOT
RECRUITMENT IN CHINA.
Below is an extract from one of his "recruitment" posts:
"From reading all these posts, it seems to me like you guys should all be joining Air China Cargo. Nice roster, good days off in a row(once we do 80 hrs, easily done within about 18 days), great salary and allowances. Beijing is a nice friendly place to live. This is the easiest job I have ever had. So far, after almost four years, I have yet to see a downside"
Never known a pilot not to bitch about something in four years!
RECRUITMENT IN CHINA.
Below is an extract from one of his "recruitment" posts:
"From reading all these posts, it seems to me like you guys should all be joining Air China Cargo. Nice roster, good days off in a row(once we do 80 hrs, easily done within about 18 days), great salary and allowances. Beijing is a nice friendly place to live. This is the easiest job I have ever had. So far, after almost four years, I have yet to see a downside"
Never known a pilot not to bitch about something in four years!
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This agency of Ted's
I will be going elsewhere to apply other than through VOR. These guys should be putting themselves out of business soon anyway due to the way that we have seen them talk to pilots. The industry might be having a tough time, but not the time to pick and feed on your fellow man.
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Worst agency..!
Dear Fellow pilots,
You will be doing yourself a huge favor to stay far away from VOR Holdings. They will treat you wrong and could care less about you as a pilot. Also, they will make it their mission in life to punish you if you break the contract. They sued one pilot for 54K USD because he left early. Another pilot they insisted to the airline not to release flight records to punish him has well. Another pilot made a mistake and VOR told him he would fire him if he didn't do better. This is not the kind of agency you want to help you..!
Just look at all of the extra paperwork you will sign with this agency, you can't bad mouth him, you cant talk to anyone, fly for anyone else in China for 2 years....JUST SAY NO...!!!!
Good luck,
On Final
You will be doing yourself a huge favor to stay far away from VOR Holdings. They will treat you wrong and could care less about you as a pilot. Also, they will make it their mission in life to punish you if you break the contract. They sued one pilot for 54K USD because he left early. Another pilot they insisted to the airline not to release flight records to punish him has well. Another pilot made a mistake and VOR told him he would fire him if he didn't do better. This is not the kind of agency you want to help you..!
Just look at all of the extra paperwork you will sign with this agency, you can't bad mouth him, you cant talk to anyone, fly for anyone else in China for 2 years....JUST SAY NO...!!!!
Good luck,
On Final
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Wow, thanks for the heads up on this VOR dude. I was considering them but followed up my research with talking to some others who have dealt with this VOR. There are alternatives to getting on in China. Thanks
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Anyone out there actually working for ACC, regardless of what contract company who can tell us the truth about how it is to work there?
Cheers,
D-Wind
Cheers,
D-Wind
