VOR-Holdings (China)
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VOR-Holdings (China)
VOR-Holdings of China
Anyone has any experience with this contract company?
The good and the bad?
Their contracts are pretty good, not sure if the "real" contract is that good...? Since there has been so many stories of contract changes at an instant without you knowing in China and other places?
Thanks
Anyone has any experience with this contract company?
The good and the bad?
Their contracts are pretty good, not sure if the "real" contract is that good...? Since there has been so many stories of contract changes at an instant without you knowing in China and other places?
Thanks
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My experience with contracts in China is that they aren't worth the paper they are printed on. The individual contractors do the best that they can in providing support up until employment but once on line you are serving at the discretion of the host airline. They'll pretty much do what they want. The contract agency can sometimes be helpful in trying to resolve disputes but there are no guarantees. Good Luck.
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As a US pilot you should avoid contracting through a US company overseas. They have to issue you a 1099 and you will be on the hook for Social Security Tax/FICA by having to file a 1040 Sched C - self employed income.
Rishworth, Parc and Aeropersonnel all offer various China employment deals right now - all seem pretty standard - $13-18k a month for qualified A320 Captains who can get through all the testing and whatnot - salary, living and bonus structures vary of course.
Some pay you thru the contractor, some pay the contractor a finder fee and you are contracted directly with the company.
You should consult a qualified tax professional who deals with expat pilot issues for more info. Timing of the contract, time overseas, who you are working for, etc are all important factors that should be considered.
Rishworth, Parc and Aeropersonnel all offer various China employment deals right now - all seem pretty standard - $13-18k a month for qualified A320 Captains who can get through all the testing and whatnot - salary, living and bonus structures vary of course.
Some pay you thru the contractor, some pay the contractor a finder fee and you are contracted directly with the company.
You should consult a qualified tax professional who deals with expat pilot issues for more info. Timing of the contract, time overseas, who you are working for, etc are all important factors that should be considered.
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I was not impressed in my dealings with VOR. Snakeoil salesmen and too aggressive, calling me at home really early, etc.
PARC or another agency will probably do better for you.
If you do go with VOR, you may still get out of receiving a US 1099-MISC for income (and the associated Social Security taxes mentioned already), but that is IF they can pay the money they pay you into an offshore account. Worth asking them about.
PARC or another agency will probably do better for you.
If you do go with VOR, you may still get out of receiving a US 1099-MISC for income (and the associated Social Security taxes mentioned already), but that is IF they can pay the money they pay you into an offshore account. Worth asking them about.
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Beware of VOR Holdings
Fellow Pilots,
I have close friends under contract with VOR and will offer you some good advice, try another agency...!!! They operate under several names and have a marketing agreement with "Climb to 350". Basically if you log into climb to 350, you will be filtered right into VOR, China Aviation Recruitment, a commission is paid to Climb to 350.
I can tell you, they will try to lock you up in China and you will not be able to work for another carrier without VOR for 1 year, maybe more. They will go behind your back and make side deals with the company and tell them what they want to hear that will effect your contract with that carrier. They will make sure the company does not give you a release letter.
I know of a pilot that left a Chinese Airline and Ted, VOR, China Aiation Recruitment took him to arbitration for leaving without notice. Now they are hunting down the pilot to try and collect 54,000 USD in penalties for legal fees and other charges.
You are WARNED to stay away from this poor agency...!!
Good Luck,
On Final
I have close friends under contract with VOR and will offer you some good advice, try another agency...!!! They operate under several names and have a marketing agreement with "Climb to 350". Basically if you log into climb to 350, you will be filtered right into VOR, China Aviation Recruitment, a commission is paid to Climb to 350.
I can tell you, they will try to lock you up in China and you will not be able to work for another carrier without VOR for 1 year, maybe more. They will go behind your back and make side deals with the company and tell them what they want to hear that will effect your contract with that carrier. They will make sure the company does not give you a release letter.
I know of a pilot that left a Chinese Airline and Ted, VOR, China Aiation Recruitment took him to arbitration for leaving without notice. Now they are hunting down the pilot to try and collect 54,000 USD in penalties for legal fees and other charges.
You are WARNED to stay away from this poor agency...!!
Good Luck,
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is this offer a true or fake...????
Dear Captains,
If you have experience on Boeing aircraft, here is an opportunity of a lifetime!
Air China Cargo is offering Boeing Captains the opportunity to upgrade to the B747-400 aircraft.
Air China Cargo will pay for your type rating and pay you at the same time.
A five year contract gives you job security as well as the opportunity to make up to US$250,000 per year.
For details on the job requirements and how to apply, reply to this email for a quick response: [email protected]
VOR Holdings is 100% focused on China. We have Chinese support personnel to help you with your routine or non-routine needs throughout your assignment in China.
For additional information, visit Pilot Jobs in China - VOR Holdings - For a Safe Landing in China or contact us at [email protected]
If you are not interested in receiving these opportunities, please click here to remove your email address from our mailing list.
Dear Captains,
If you have experience on Boeing aircraft, here is an opportunity of a lifetime!
Air China Cargo is offering Boeing Captains the opportunity to upgrade to the B747-400 aircraft.
Air China Cargo will pay for your type rating and pay you at the same time.
A five year contract gives you job security as well as the opportunity to make up to US$250,000 per year.
For details on the job requirements and how to apply, reply to this email for a quick response: [email protected]
VOR Holdings is 100% focused on China. We have Chinese support personnel to help you with your routine or non-routine needs throughout your assignment in China.
For additional information, visit Pilot Jobs in China - VOR Holdings - For a Safe Landing in China or contact us at [email protected]
If you are not interested in receiving these opportunities, please click here to remove your email address from our mailing list.
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I don't know how much is real, but it looks like Vorholding is offering a commuting possibility with China Cargo! Anybody out there willing to help desperate layoff gispys?thanks
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i applied for a dec 747
Devine Wind said: "They fail to inform everyone that it is NOT a PIC position.
You have no choice but to start as a P2 (ACC calls it Junior Captain) and your salary will only be 11-12.000 USD a month"
So after all you are forced to fly from the RHS? How do you get out of this trap. Are you protected in any way by the contract or the law. Someone had the guts to go and see? How do u log the time? PIC of FO?
PM please if you have pertinent information.
Thanks in advance.
You have no choice but to start as a P2 (ACC calls it Junior Captain) and your salary will only be 11-12.000 USD a month"
So after all you are forced to fly from the RHS? How do you get out of this trap. Are you protected in any way by the contract or the law. Someone had the guts to go and see? How do u log the time? PIC of FO?
PM please if you have pertinent information.
Thanks in advance.
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these f@#$%ers ought be locked up!! Nowhere in their advertising do they state that these are "training" programs!!
Jesus H, aren't there any honest people out there anymore?? These guys are headed for a big shock one day and God help 'em if they piss the wrong people off
Jesus H, aren't there any honest people out there anymore?? These guys are headed for a big shock one day and God help 'em if they piss the wrong people off
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Hey buddy!
Glad to see a friendly response like yours. Though you did lash out a bit, I'm not quite licking my wounds. As you can see on my post, the "training program" comment was not made by me, it was made by VOR holdings. I would love nothing more than to go fly the 747 as a Captain right off the bat. It seems, according to VOR, that that is not the case and you are not in fact the PIC on the flight.
If you have more information on this job, or just clarification, it would be appreciated. I would certainly like to know if this gig is as advertised because my initial feeling from VOR holdings response to my query is that it is not.
Thanks so much for your positive and eco-friendly replies!
Bo
Glad to see a friendly response like yours. Though you did lash out a bit, I'm not quite licking my wounds. As you can see on my post, the "training program" comment was not made by me, it was made by VOR holdings. I would love nothing more than to go fly the 747 as a Captain right off the bat. It seems, according to VOR, that that is not the case and you are not in fact the PIC on the flight.
If you have more information on this job, or just clarification, it would be appreciated. I would certainly like to know if this gig is as advertised because my initial feeling from VOR holdings response to my query is that it is not.
Thanks so much for your positive and eco-friendly replies!
Bo
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Clondnine
Appreciate the response. Honestly, I was just responding to what VOR has advertised on Climbto350.com so frequently (3+ ads a day!). The ad seriously leads you to believe that you are being hired into the left seat of the 747-400 as a pic (come on, the the ads say "transition to the 747, PICs required"). Then, when asked, the truth was told and that is what I posted. I applied and almost left a good contract job that was stable until I asked the right questions with the right research and found out the God's honest truth about the thing. As stated in the email, if you are already a 744 Cpt and want to come over then it is an honest deal. My only beef with VOR is that they kind of lie to you. Perhaps I am assuming the worst having been around this industry so long, but not being forthcoming is also being dishonest.
Other than that, I would love to go to China. Seems like a more westernized area. The idea of cheap rent and Outback Steakhouses galore is wonderful. I would like nothing more than to make good money whilst flying a widebody and eating food I am accustomed to.
If there is a better contract company to go through, please let me/us know as I am quite sure that this would be a good contract under more honest circumstances.
Bo
Other than that, I would love to go to China. Seems like a more westernized area. The idea of cheap rent and Outback Steakhouses galore is wonderful. I would like nothing more than to make good money whilst flying a widebody and eating food I am accustomed to.
If there is a better contract company to go through, please let me/us know as I am quite sure that this would be a good contract under more honest circumstances.
Bo
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It's quite simple really. Never, and I mean never, leave a good job to go to one that is making a promise of Captain/PIC in some period of time. It rarely ever pans out that the promise is kept. Only airlines with established seniority systems can ensure an upgrade, but even then they can't make a promise as to the timeframe. These contract jobs are especially bad at keeping promises. Just look at all the guys who have bailed from Eva, China Airlines, Qatar, etc over the years. At least Vietnam and Korean are up front about expat F.O.s never getting an upgrade.
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cloudnine....
errrr obviously i dont work in Japan.....i'm working at my second airline in China. Anyway you said the MAX rent was 4000 RMB. I know for a fact that 4000 RMB will not get you a nice apartment in an ex-pat area. I think in many areas even the higher rents you quoted on your second post are still lower than you can expect to pay if you want to stay in genuine ex-pat standard accommodation. For me i stay in a normal not very nice mostly local Chinese complex, but thats my choice, i just wanted to say if anyone comes here and expects to get an apartment in a complex as you described with swimming pools etc for 4000 RMB they will get a nasty shock as your figure is way off the mark.
errrr obviously i dont work in Japan.....i'm working at my second airline in China. Anyway you said the MAX rent was 4000 RMB. I know for a fact that 4000 RMB will not get you a nice apartment in an ex-pat area. I think in many areas even the higher rents you quoted on your second post are still lower than you can expect to pay if you want to stay in genuine ex-pat standard accommodation. For me i stay in a normal not very nice mostly local Chinese complex, but thats my choice, i just wanted to say if anyone comes here and expects to get an apartment in a complex as you described with swimming pools etc for 4000 RMB they will get a nasty shock as your figure is way off the mark.
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My Halfpenny's worth
I aggree with Clondnine. If you thought a NTR pilot is going to jump into a PIC job on the 744 in any airline, I think you are mistaken. And if being a Junior Captain for a few months put you off applying, then you have missed a great oportunity as it seems almost all the NTR slots are taken.
Junior captains get a package worth $15000/mo, and PIC's get $16200/mo. This is NOT a F/O or Cruise Captain job, you fly from the LHS and sighn the release, and the logbook. Log it as PIC if it makes you feel any better. Life in Beijing is "active" to say the least, and very affordable.
I can not understand the venom expressed towards VOR holdings, I have found them very pleasant and the company easy to deal with. If they were short with one or two applicants it is probably because of overwork as a result of the 3000 or so applicants they had for the NTR job.
Finally, if any US citizen thinks they can dodge taxes by using an offshore hiring company, think again. The IRS will find you and remove large sums from your bank account, it is not worth it. US Citizens are taxed on their worldwide income no matter the source.
Junior captains get a package worth $15000/mo, and PIC's get $16200/mo. This is NOT a F/O or Cruise Captain job, you fly from the LHS and sighn the release, and the logbook. Log it as PIC if it makes you feel any better. Life in Beijing is "active" to say the least, and very affordable.
I can not understand the venom expressed towards VOR holdings, I have found them very pleasant and the company easy to deal with. If they were short with one or two applicants it is probably because of overwork as a result of the 3000 or so applicants they had for the NTR job.
Finally, if any US citizen thinks they can dodge taxes by using an offshore hiring company, think again. The IRS will find you and remove large sums from your bank account, it is not worth it. US Citizens are taxed on their worldwide income no matter the source.
