AI Express flight plunges 6,000 feet
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AI Express flight plunges 6,000 feet
AI Express flight plunges 6,000 feet- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
31 May 2010, 1325 hrs ISTIn a major air scare for passengers on board Dubai-Pune Air India Express flight, the flight reportedly plunged over 6,000 feet into direct path of another plane on Monday (May 31).
Sources said that the plunge took place due to air turbulence. The ATC reportedly noticed the drop taken by the plane and asked the AI Express to climb to 37,000 feet to avoid collision.
According to sources, two pilots and four cabin crew members were derostered after the incident.
The incident reportedly took over Muscat airspace, one hour after the flight took off from Dubai.
This air tragedy aversion comes just couple of weeks after an Air India Express flight IX 812 crashed after it overshot the runway in Mangalore killing 158 people.
31 May 2010, 1325 hrs ISTIn a major air scare for passengers on board Dubai-Pune Air India Express flight, the flight reportedly plunged over 6,000 feet into direct path of another plane on Monday (May 31).
Sources said that the plunge took place due to air turbulence. The ATC reportedly noticed the drop taken by the plane and asked the AI Express to climb to 37,000 feet to avoid collision.
According to sources, two pilots and four cabin crew members were derostered after the incident.
The incident reportedly took over Muscat airspace, one hour after the flight took off from Dubai.
This air tragedy aversion comes just couple of weeks after an Air India Express flight IX 812 crashed after it overshot the runway in Mangalore killing 158 people.
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I'm sorry but I can't believe that they "plunged 6000 feet" just because of turbulence. I am sure there is a lot more to it than that and the article is very light on for facts. Looks like yet another case of some reporter who knows nothing about aviation trying to make a story out of nothing.
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Try this report from Arabian Business which blames the autopilot.
Air India Express flight from Dubai plunges 7,000ft - Travel & Hospitality - ArabianBusiness.com
Edit - NB the 1st article in the 1st post claims the incident was on 31st May but the 2nd reports 26th ??? But it seems they are referring to the same thing ...... ?
Air India Express flight from Dubai plunges 7,000ft - Travel & Hospitality - ArabianBusiness.com
Edit - NB the 1st article in the 1st post claims the incident was on 31st May but the 2nd reports 26th ??? But it seems they are referring to the same thing ...... ?
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@ its brokenagain,
We're gona have to ask the darn Journalist. These days they are they only ones who determine How to do and What to do.
280kts and 2600fpm, what do you fly that flys that slow....
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Curious
Dubai flight was just 2 minutes from crashing into sea - India - The Times of India
In the article above here is an extract
I would assume that with this kind of decent the commander would have seen his piss on the roof even before he left the washroom.............
In the article above here is an extract
According to sources, the commander realized something was wrong when he returned from the washroom and did not get any response after he pressed the cockpit's door-unlock button (it sets off a chime inside the cockpit and the pilot sitting inside responds by pushing a button which opens the door). By this time the commander also realized that the aircraft was at an unusual pitch attitude (a pitching movement is nose up-nose down motion of an aircraft and a nose-down pitch increases air speed). Sensing danger, the commander punched in the emergency code, which opens the cockpit door, but only after 35 seconds.
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Is this history repeating itself , doesn't this remind us of Egypt air 990 !!! which still remains unsolved ... it's hard to believe that the Co-pilot with 1000 hours under his belt , could not stop the descent or control the aircraft .... - 23 degrees pitch down( thats what media is reporting ) phew !!!!!
for all those who don't know happened to Egypt air 990 here's the link
EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
for all those who don't know happened to Egypt air 990 here's the link
EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Well, if the ROD was 21,000fpm and the aircraft was two minutes away from hitting the sea then the aircraft was still at 42,000' Yes?
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.... and Indian aviation journalism plunges another 50,000 ft.... every time I think that this is the lowest this reporting can go, they find a new way to surprise me.
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i think we need to cut the jurnos some slack.
The details might be a tad off....even sensational.
But the fact is that "some unusual events" did take place and were serious enough to warrant a DGCA inq.
If the press does not bring them into the public domain....there is a good chance that the required lessons will be not learned...and that would not be a good thing for aviation in India or anywhere else for that matter
The details might be a tad off....even sensational.
But the fact is that "some unusual events" did take place and were serious enough to warrant a DGCA inq.
If the press does not bring them into the public domain....there is a good chance that the required lessons will be not learned...and that would not be a good thing for aviation in India or anywhere else for that matter
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What is lacking is responsible journalism. It's not just India, it's elsewhere as well.
The general public has very little knowledge about aviation. Now added to that, we have articles stating that a go-around conducted was an air tragedy averted? It can only serve one purpose--scare the public and further their ignorance.
The general public has very little knowledge about aviation. Now added to that, we have articles stating that a go-around conducted was an air tragedy averted? It can only serve one purpose--scare the public and further their ignorance.
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Well said NGFellow. Uneducated media and is using the inexpertise of the general public to gain TRPs.
The following read is like a well-written script for a book/movie. Public Entertainment in the name of news.
The following read is like a well-written script for a book/movie. Public Entertainment in the name of news.
According to sources, the commander realized something was wrong when he returned from the washroom and did not get any response after he pressed the cockpit's door-unlock button (it sets off a chime inside the cockpit and the pilot sitting inside responds by pushing a button which opens the door). By this time the commander also realized that the aircraft was at an unusual pitch attitude (a pitching movement is nose up-nose down motion of an aircraft and a nose-down pitch increases air speed). Sensing danger, the commander punched in the emergency code, which opens the cockpit door, but only after 35 seconds.
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i do believe that journalistic idiocy is a neccessary evil in the context of Indian Aviation. now, in the trail of an unfortunate accident, there is a chance that some form of logic may appear in a sea of garbage generated by the DGCA and Air India over 30 years. let the Sinha's and Manju's carve out their daily crap, and scare the living daylights out of the masses. this is the only way forward as a catalyst to break a system rotten to the core.
1. an enquiry, led by a no-nonsense air force chap for the accident
2. an empowered management in AI to fire imbeciles who only want a free
lunch, and have yet to put in an honest days work
3. a group to oversee the DGCA's functioning, comprising of Boeing, Airbus,
JAA + CAA reps.
4. a board of directors chosen from the captains of industry to run AI
and, idiots in the press who really prove that there is a method to their madness
1. an enquiry, led by a no-nonsense air force chap for the accident
2. an empowered management in AI to fire imbeciles who only want a free
lunch, and have yet to put in an honest days work
3. a group to oversee the DGCA's functioning, comprising of Boeing, Airbus,
JAA + CAA reps.
4. a board of directors chosen from the captains of industry to run AI
and, idiots in the press who really prove that there is a method to their madness
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#%@#^#$^$#^#&#$& these days a known pariwar wala comes to u and says yar dekho aaj kal kya ho raha hai .....
annd abt that mangalore wala ... 'unhone maar diya'
some call it POV ....i call it DP for us screwed by both sides
one side by recession and the other a consortium of pathetic news media wale and unaware so called rishtedars #$#%#%#^^
the miracle on hudson no much fuzz abt that here ,...
annd abt that mangalore wala ... 'unhone maar diya'
some call it POV ....i call it DP for us screwed by both sides
one side by recession and the other a consortium of pathetic news media wale and unaware so called rishtedars #$#%#%#^^
the miracle on hudson no much fuzz abt that here ,...
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Rather than poo-pooing the journalist, I'd say by his descripton, it sounds to me like the flight suffered a stall at high altitude. This wouldn't be a first, by the way. 
The description certainly sounds like an inflight upset due to stall (perhaps the aircraft was near or above optimum for its weight and available thrust and turbulent air just gave it a helping hand) and a B737 in the hands of (how shall I say this?) a low timer, less experienced pilot, foreign pilot, (what the heck, you decide which) could very easily lose 6,000 feet in a recovery. No surprise here.
Allow me to speculate on what MIGHT have happened....
Captain leaves the flight deck for a comfort break. F/O has the con. Muscat clears the flight to FL370 (but the aircraft might have been too heavy for 37 and the F/O accepts the clearance to climb without checking his performance chart for acceptability of the new altitude, or else he did, but wasn't sure what the squiggly lines meant). Off he goes to FL370. The aeroplane struggles to reach the new flight level and airspeed slowly decays once level at the new altitude. As aircraft rate of energy loss increases so does the decrease in airspeed.
1) Stick shaker activates
2) Auto pilot trips off
3) The nose drops
4) F/O suffers a complete surprise due to possibly being inattentive or heads down
5) Grabs the controls and pulls up whilst slamming the throttles fully forward (cuz that's how he was probably taught which is incorrect) in an attempt to recover
6) Secondary stall occurs as the wing hasn't recovered aerodynamic lift
7) Several thousand feet are lost by this point in time (in fact, this is where his descent turns into a plummet due to actual ROD)
8) F/O eventually gains enough airspeed to maintain altitude and control
9) F/O gets the FCP and auto pilot organized (possible RAs during recovery due to altitude busts on the way down and up sending MCT ATC into a tizzy)
10) Aircraft is returned to an acceptable altitude
11) F/O notices a rather odd but familiar smell in the cockpit, but also notices the Captain hasn't returned from the dunny.
12) Captain steps into the flight deck holding something in his hand and asks the F/O whether or not he purchased a draw ticket in the Dubai Duty Free for the Porsche? To which the F/O replys "No sir, I didn't have the 500 dirhams, but Muscat ATC wish to speak with you on Comm 1. Something about your altitude and crossing traffic, I think." To which the Captain says, "Right. What's that odor then, and why are your trousers wet? You haven't been flying through thunderstorms again while I was in the loo, have you number 1?"
Indian aviation surely is exciting, what? Especially these last couple of months. What does it have in store for us next?
Did the Express passengers get charged extra for the surprise thrill ride or just for the sanies?
Gee, I can hardly wait for the next one.
Willie
The description certainly sounds like an inflight upset due to stall (perhaps the aircraft was near or above optimum for its weight and available thrust and turbulent air just gave it a helping hand) and a B737 in the hands of (how shall I say this?) a low timer, less experienced pilot, foreign pilot, (what the heck, you decide which) could very easily lose 6,000 feet in a recovery. No surprise here.
Allow me to speculate on what MIGHT have happened....
Captain leaves the flight deck for a comfort break. F/O has the con. Muscat clears the flight to FL370 (but the aircraft might have been too heavy for 37 and the F/O accepts the clearance to climb without checking his performance chart for acceptability of the new altitude, or else he did, but wasn't sure what the squiggly lines meant). Off he goes to FL370. The aeroplane struggles to reach the new flight level and airspeed slowly decays once level at the new altitude. As aircraft rate of energy loss increases so does the decrease in airspeed.
1) Stick shaker activates
2) Auto pilot trips off
3) The nose drops
4) F/O suffers a complete surprise due to possibly being inattentive or heads down
5) Grabs the controls and pulls up whilst slamming the throttles fully forward (cuz that's how he was probably taught which is incorrect) in an attempt to recover
6) Secondary stall occurs as the wing hasn't recovered aerodynamic lift
7) Several thousand feet are lost by this point in time (in fact, this is where his descent turns into a plummet due to actual ROD)
8) F/O eventually gains enough airspeed to maintain altitude and control
9) F/O gets the FCP and auto pilot organized (possible RAs during recovery due to altitude busts on the way down and up sending MCT ATC into a tizzy)
10) Aircraft is returned to an acceptable altitude
11) F/O notices a rather odd but familiar smell in the cockpit, but also notices the Captain hasn't returned from the dunny.
12) Captain steps into the flight deck holding something in his hand and asks the F/O whether or not he purchased a draw ticket in the Dubai Duty Free for the Porsche? To which the F/O replys "No sir, I didn't have the 500 dirhams, but Muscat ATC wish to speak with you on Comm 1. Something about your altitude and crossing traffic, I think." To which the Captain says, "Right. What's that odor then, and why are your trousers wet? You haven't been flying through thunderstorms again while I was in the loo, have you number 1?"
Indian aviation surely is exciting, what? Especially these last couple of months. What does it have in store for us next?
Did the Express passengers get charged extra for the surprise thrill ride or just for the sanies?
Gee, I can hardly wait for the next one.
Willie
Last edited by Willie Everlearn; 14th Jun 2010 at 00:29.