Forget Expats.. where are the Indian Commanders going ?
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US, EU and AU allow pilots only from there own country or another first world country
Yes Sir I very much agree. But its not enough that we get employment in Software,Hospitals,Hotels,Construction etc (apart from billions of dollars and some illegal entries)...We want a job as a pilot too Sir.Please dont mind.
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Its money that makes the world go round.Its money why people leave their families and wander in search of work.... not peace.Life is...was....and always will be a struggle....Its better you gear your spirit to it.
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Gabu, you are incorrect. I have personally flown with Indian, Danish, EU, Aus, Hispanic non US residents. They are sponsored by the emloyer, and have green cards. It is not easy, but possible. If you don't have the hours no one will sponser you or whoever is trying to fly in this kind of market. I am good freinds with one who is back in his country now.
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The question one must ask is--- Is India truly a democracy, or a Socialist nation? What business does the DCGA or the Govt have to tell an Indian Pilot that he/she is not able to change jobs without 6 months notice. How absurd is that. They have no right to do that. Let the airlines cry foul if people leave, serves them right for not paying the proper salaries and abiding by contracts. Any pilot should have the right to choose where to work and when. Indian pilots should all call in sick one day and stand outside the DGCA/Ministry of Aviation to protest this illegal ruling.
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Just a bit of background..
I am an aviation watcher and accountant living in OZ.. Indian origin and did schooling in middle east been here over 9 years... Like reading the forum but haven't posted as yet as I am not a pilot or airline crew..
But had to post to drive73's message as it is not factually correct....
It is implied that Europe, Oz and USA allow free movement an employment of labor in their domiciles. Not correct.. Especially in civil or for that matter any other field of aviation.... And also not true for other fields...
All nations and especially western nations advocate free movement of capital through national boundaries but when it comes to movement of labor, it is a different story....India is in the same boat but OZ and western countries are worse in this matter... Most countries including all western nations only allow supply of Indian manpower only when their own citizens manpower supply cannot meet the manpower demanded by business...
I am an aviation watcher and accountant living in OZ.. Indian origin and did schooling in middle east been here over 9 years... Like reading the forum but haven't posted as yet as I am not a pilot or airline crew..
But had to post to drive73's message as it is not factually correct....
It is implied that Europe, Oz and USA allow free movement an employment of labor in their domiciles. Not correct.. Especially in civil or for that matter any other field of aviation.... And also not true for other fields...
All nations and especially western nations advocate free movement of capital through national boundaries but when it comes to movement of labor, it is a different story....India is in the same boat but OZ and western countries are worse in this matter... Most countries including all western nations only allow supply of Indian manpower only when their own citizens manpower supply cannot meet the manpower demanded by business...
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Most countries including all western nations only allow supply of Indian manpower only when their own citizens manpower supply cannot meet the manpower demanded by business...
I am in the same boat as SJKEN. An Indian national living and working(Software/computers, what else?) in the US. Not a pilot yet and will be working towards my PPL and IR this summer. Working on a masters degree on the side too and hopefully work in an aviation program at a 4 or 2 year school.
The labor laws clearly state that employers can file for the required paperwork (greencard, h1) if there are no locals available to do the work! There are opportunities - if you are qualified - and that means a lot more than just 250 hour certificate. Also the legal fees involved with filing paperwork can be quite a bit, something that employers are not willing to spend, especially in this economical climate.
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You are correct. You must remember that government agencies don't know about aviation, the company just says this guy is the most qualified. This is why I flew with and know guys with greencards flying in the US, when obviously we have no shortage of pilots. Being qualified is the key as well as knowing someone in the right place to pay and do the paperwork. Usually you will find less than reputable companies like these guys because they essentially have slave labor they can strong arm.
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Sir,I thought that the legitimate way of dealing with an issue is to take legal action...(Since we do have courts to deal with illegal rulings).Are you suggesting that we become hooligans? Will that even provide a solution or lead us to further mishap?
Any pilot should have the right to choose where to work and when. Indian pilots should all call in sick one day and stand outside the DGCA/Ministry of Aviation to protest this illegal ruling
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There is wisdom in what you have stated. However, the Indian judicial system from most indications works at a snail's pace. It takes years in many cases.
If protesting for 1 day makes you a hooligan, then I guess all the 9W pilots were hooligans when they had a sick out last year. The father of your nation, Mr. Gandhi would be also guilty of that with his non-cooperation movement during the British Raj.
If protesting for 1 day makes you a hooligan, then I guess all the 9W pilots were hooligans when they had a sick out last year. The father of your nation, Mr. Gandhi would be also guilty of that with his non-cooperation movement during the British Raj.
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The father of your nation, Mr. Gandhi would be also guilty of that with his non-cooperation movement during the British Raj.
We however have a different story.Everybody is fighting to preserve their own interests.One guy wants to send expats home becoz it serves his purpose.Another wants the 6 month notice revoked coz he wants to jump to another company.A third wants to bring everything to a standstill in the name of career progression.The list is endless.
Nobody can make up for the loss this country has had to go through in the name of Strikes,Bandhs,Protests,Industrial agitation etc.And it has almost always been the agenda of some vested interests.
