Eva and China Airline
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Beautiful island
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ryan76, get your application in now, they are HIRING, I tell you this because I KNOW. The salary for FO I believe would around 5K -6K, including per diem for 80-90 hrs, maybe some current FO there can help here, this is after taxes I Think............. Later......The Capt..
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: oz
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The numbers are correct for 1st year expat, just slightly more 2nd year. You have a 300h in 4 months guarantee. 13th month is a nice bonus plus at least 4500usd tax return if you're single or married with kids, parents.... 7000usd. Depends how you live, it's not too bad. We have been flying a lot. Depends on the fleet, I think MD11 has been doing the most flying. 100h block per month, last 6 months and it is not letting up for them. People come and go, don't let the eternal pessimists deter you from applying. International airline experience you get here can only help you should you decide to move on. If you get 330, 777 or even 747 you're lucky. MD11 well, not so lucky.
Join Date: May 2002
Location: U.K.
Posts: 315
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
dabssa, do you class the guys that get put on the MD-11 as unlucky due to the hours flown / roster?
I'm guessing that the rosters at Eva do not allow for international commuting?
I'm guessing that the rosters at Eva do not allow for international commuting?
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would like to know what your sources are also? EVA is hiring for locals only. I have a few people I know there (locals) who have been trying to help me for the past year or so. In fact, I even spoke with the expat recruiter at EVA about two weeks ago and he told me they are not hiring at this time.
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: oz
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MD11 guys get a lot of schedule changes, some months there is lots of positioning. Positioning on EVA pax aircraft is in business, other airlines you sit in economy
. Can't really choose your fleet. They will put you wherever they need you. Most likely MD11 or 744. If they really really need you, might get 330 or 777.
. Can't really choose your fleet. They will put you wherever they need you. Most likely MD11 or 744. If they really really need you, might get 330 or 777.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: i dont know
Age: 49
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi you all,
Just a few questions, 1st is about CAL, they state that the minimus for F/O are around 1500hours with some jet experience, but really do you have any clue what have been the experience off the latest F/O entering on the companny.
2nd is what's the bond they apply to a non rated pilot on their A/C?
About EVA will they really recruit soon?
Being an F/O with an full ATPL license and 2000hours ( 1700 jet time ) with ICAO english level 6 what are my changes or options to an career change.
Thx
Just a few questions, 1st is about CAL, they state that the minimus for F/O are around 1500hours with some jet experience, but really do you have any clue what have been the experience off the latest F/O entering on the companny.
2nd is what's the bond they apply to a non rated pilot on their A/C?
About EVA will they really recruit soon?
Being an F/O with an full ATPL license and 2000hours ( 1700 jet time ) with ICAO english level 6 what are my changes or options to an career change.
Thx
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: World
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Md11
Hi all,
I looked throughout the post for some more specific infos about md11. I should have a screening the next month for Md11 in Eva (I think, the girl didn't tell me nothing about the company, but it's the only Md11 in Taiwan), and I'm trying to understand how can the conditions be. The lady told me there's gonna be some 8-9 days off per month. All attached? I understood the TR was paid by the airline, but as far as I read here, do they give you a training bond? Salary is still around 4400 $/month?
Anyway also a personal point of view. I come from an expat contract way crappier than one can imagine, with huge schedule change and about 90 hours med range/month. And most of all a non welcoming company who's been in the last month changing the conditions and taking out the few benefits that made life just acceptale here. I'm just interested in heavy jet experience. Is it so unlivable as many say?? Thanks!
I looked throughout the post for some more specific infos about md11. I should have a screening the next month for Md11 in Eva (I think, the girl didn't tell me nothing about the company, but it's the only Md11 in Taiwan), and I'm trying to understand how can the conditions be. The lady told me there's gonna be some 8-9 days off per month. All attached? I understood the TR was paid by the airline, but as far as I read here, do they give you a training bond? Salary is still around 4400 $/month?
Anyway also a personal point of view. I come from an expat contract way crappier than one can imagine, with huge schedule change and about 90 hours med range/month. And most of all a non welcoming company who's been in the last month changing the conditions and taking out the few benefits that made life just acceptale here. I'm just interested in heavy jet experience. Is it so unlivable as many say?? Thanks!
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's been several weeks since CAL began accepting applications. Has anyone yet received a response or heard anything from them one way or another? For those that currently work there or have in the past, how long does it typically take before you hear anything back?
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: world
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
heheheheh, amazing
I just had a few good laughs with the ppruners here.
Amazing how feellings , points of view and oppinions difer.
well, a lot that as been said here is true, they only big difference beeing the person it came from.
I allways say: Everything depends where you came from.
A retired guy from a major will most likely get ok with it; flying for fun enjoying is life.
A newbie will love it at first but maybe will soon "open" his eyes. And for them, in my humble opinion is all good. Getting the chance to fly a B747 early in his career its a plus.
Then you have the "experienced" guy who allready came with a different perpective of aviation and he is probably the one who´s led to believe in a carreer perspective, and will very soon find about about the truth, and leave.
Last but not least the one that doesn´t really have another option other than stick with it.For him life is great, or at least he tries to make the best out of it.
So no wonder one will say this is GREAT and on the next second someone will bark at him.
regarding the money everything as been said. Not really good, but once again, it depends on each individual.
As for the "right" experience, as long has you have the barelly minimuns you´re good for it. As far as I know they haven´t called anybody yet, but should start. Fact is the company is short of pilots, again....
The bond, yes , you have to show those greenies in advance, and after 3 years you get it back ( if you still around). As for the amount it differs. based on the time you join and experience. Rule of thumg , boeing experience pays less. Sometimes it doesn´t make any sense why a guy with a 737 rating pays less for it compared to widebody experience for ex.
And that will be reflected on the training later on. But well....
If I am not wrong the last course payed around 16 to 18K . when the previous varied between 13k and 16k for B744 drivers. Airbus tends to be higher , around 20k
In my own oppinion , see it with your eyes, and judge it for your self.
best of luck
I just had a few good laughs with the ppruners here.
Amazing how feellings , points of view and oppinions difer.
well, a lot that as been said here is true, they only big difference beeing the person it came from.
I allways say: Everything depends where you came from.
A retired guy from a major will most likely get ok with it; flying for fun enjoying is life.
A newbie will love it at first but maybe will soon "open" his eyes. And for them, in my humble opinion is all good. Getting the chance to fly a B747 early in his career its a plus.
Then you have the "experienced" guy who allready came with a different perpective of aviation and he is probably the one who´s led to believe in a carreer perspective, and will very soon find about about the truth, and leave.
Last but not least the one that doesn´t really have another option other than stick with it.For him life is great, or at least he tries to make the best out of it.
So no wonder one will say this is GREAT and on the next second someone will bark at him.
regarding the money everything as been said. Not really good, but once again, it depends on each individual.
As for the "right" experience, as long has you have the barelly minimuns you´re good for it. As far as I know they haven´t called anybody yet, but should start. Fact is the company is short of pilots, again....
The bond, yes , you have to show those greenies in advance, and after 3 years you get it back ( if you still around). As for the amount it differs. based on the time you join and experience. Rule of thumg , boeing experience pays less. Sometimes it doesn´t make any sense why a guy with a 737 rating pays less for it compared to widebody experience for ex.
And that will be reflected on the training later on. But well....
If I am not wrong the last course payed around 16 to 18K . when the previous varied between 13k and 16k for B744 drivers. Airbus tends to be higher , around 20k
In my own oppinion , see it with your eyes, and judge it for your self.
best of luck
The latest expat groupe without B737NG expirience in CAL (july 07) has to deposit in the Megan Bank U$D 21,500.
They could split half at the start of the ground school and the other half before the type rating check.
They had another two guys with 738 experience who paid U$D 16,000, same option of spliting the deposits in two.
The pleadge is for three years count from the route check, so it doesn't include the ground school and the sim period.
During the ground school and sim the salary was U$D2000 (taxable 20%) plus the hotel accomodation (no breakfast).
During IOE training, still have the hotel and the salary is increase but not full salary until the route check.
You would have 10 days off between the type rating check and the IOE training.
But CAL doesn't allow you to fly JUMP SEAT in their flights until you have passed the ROUTE CHECK.
So you would have to pay an ID90 fare with CAL plus you don't have ID90 with other zed career before 6 month of employment in CAL.
It would be good to have USD 500 for the CAL sector plus the full fare ticket from the CAL destination to your home town.
Those were the numbers almost three years ago.
They could split half at the start of the ground school and the other half before the type rating check.
They had another two guys with 738 experience who paid U$D 16,000, same option of spliting the deposits in two.
The pleadge is for three years count from the route check, so it doesn't include the ground school and the sim period.
During the ground school and sim the salary was U$D2000 (taxable 20%) plus the hotel accomodation (no breakfast).
During IOE training, still have the hotel and the salary is increase but not full salary until the route check.
You would have 10 days off between the type rating check and the IOE training.
But CAL doesn't allow you to fly JUMP SEAT in their flights until you have passed the ROUTE CHECK.
So you would have to pay an ID90 fare with CAL plus you don't have ID90 with other zed career before 6 month of employment in CAL.
It would be good to have USD 500 for the CAL sector plus the full fare ticket from the CAL destination to your home town.
Those were the numbers almost three years ago.
Last edited by cosmiccomet; 19th Apr 2010 at 10:38.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: the City by the Bay
Posts: 547
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
EVA and Ci have reported a very strong first quarter, which will no doubt help to ensure growth. Which could mean more pilots needed.
Taipei Times - archives
EVA reports its highest quarterly profit in five years
By Yu-huay Sun
BLOOMBERG
Thursday, Apr 29, 2010, Page 12
“EVA’s earnings are turning around this year.”
— Bruce Tsao, analyst at Capital Securities Corp
EVA Airways Corp (長榮航空), the nation’s second-largest carrier, yesterday reported its highest quarterly profit in more than five years, with net income rising to NT$1.25 billion (US$40 million), or NT$0.42 a share, in the first three months of the year, from NT$200 million, or NT$0.09, a year earlier.
First-quarter sales climbed 38 percent to NT$23.1 billion, the Taoyuan-based company said in a stock exchange filing.
EVA Airways carried 17 percent more passengers in the first quarter as air travel rebounded after the worst recession in more than six decades.
Larger rival China Airlines Ltd (CAL, 中華航空) reported a record first-quarter profit.
“EVA’s earnings are turning around this year,” said Bruce Tsao (曹伯瑄), an analyst at Capital Securities Corp (群益證券), who has a “buy” rating on the shares.
EVA Airways shares closed unchanged at NT$15.40 in Taipei trading yesterday.
The airline carried 1.64 million passengers in the first quarter, compared with 1.4 million a year earlier, according to Bloomberg calculations of data provided by the company.
Increased flights between Taiwan and China also boosted the numbers and added to profit, Tsao said.
EVA Airways plans to sell 500 million new shares, the company said in a separate filing.
Proceeds will be used to repay bank loans and strengthen finances, the carrier said.
The carrier raised freight charges from 20 percent to 30 percent on average on Saturday last week, said Eric Lin (林司忠), a public relations manager for the carrier.
Taipei Times - archives
EVA reports its highest quarterly profit in five years
By Yu-huay Sun
BLOOMBERG
Thursday, Apr 29, 2010, Page 12
“EVA’s earnings are turning around this year.”
— Bruce Tsao, analyst at Capital Securities Corp
EVA Airways Corp (長榮航空), the nation’s second-largest carrier, yesterday reported its highest quarterly profit in more than five years, with net income rising to NT$1.25 billion (US$40 million), or NT$0.42 a share, in the first three months of the year, from NT$200 million, or NT$0.09, a year earlier.
First-quarter sales climbed 38 percent to NT$23.1 billion, the Taoyuan-based company said in a stock exchange filing.
EVA Airways carried 17 percent more passengers in the first quarter as air travel rebounded after the worst recession in more than six decades.
Larger rival China Airlines Ltd (CAL, 中華航空) reported a record first-quarter profit.
“EVA’s earnings are turning around this year,” said Bruce Tsao (曹伯瑄), an analyst at Capital Securities Corp (群益證券), who has a “buy” rating on the shares.
EVA Airways shares closed unchanged at NT$15.40 in Taipei trading yesterday.
The airline carried 1.64 million passengers in the first quarter, compared with 1.4 million a year earlier, according to Bloomberg calculations of data provided by the company.
Increased flights between Taiwan and China also boosted the numbers and added to profit, Tsao said.
EVA Airways plans to sell 500 million new shares, the company said in a separate filing.
Proceeds will be used to repay bank loans and strengthen finances, the carrier said.
The carrier raised freight charges from 20 percent to 30 percent on average on Saturday last week, said Eric Lin (林司忠), a public relations manager for the carrier.
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South of N90º00'.0
Posts: 241
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Would like to speak directly with a CURRENTLY EMPLOYED expat pilot on contract with CAL (A340 or A330). PM me if you wouldn't mind answering some questions. Thanks
Last edited by PappyJ; 15th Jan 2011 at 03:15.
If it is enough for you I have been employed by CAL up to last January 8th.
I was flying B744 as FO from July 2007 to January 8th 2011.
Your questions are welcome.
Cheers.
Ariel
I was flying B744 as FO from July 2007 to January 8th 2011.
Your questions are welcome.
Cheers.
Ariel
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Asia
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pappy, you won't get any info from the currently employed expat group because there are only a few left. Thus to do so, would be exposing themselves. And sadly, there are not many good things to say.
A few hundred expats to a dozen, and now needing them again. Why did they get rid of them or why did they all run away? Name me any successful airline globally where this has happened to this degree. They are fools running under a gov't nationalistic umbrella. Not the place to be. They make money only by pure virtue that the govt takes on the AC financing and the almighty dollar rules over safety and they employ very cheap labor. This combined with old Air Force mentality or in the office still is a recipe fo something...
If you must go to taiwan, work for a real company. evergreen.
Ps: Tip: since you will be commuting, change the law of jurisdiction to your home country. Then they can't screw with you. Expats don't have labor law protections in Taiwan. The companies know this, and now you do too.
A few hundred expats to a dozen, and now needing them again. Why did they get rid of them or why did they all run away? Name me any successful airline globally where this has happened to this degree. They are fools running under a gov't nationalistic umbrella. Not the place to be. They make money only by pure virtue that the govt takes on the AC financing and the almighty dollar rules over safety and they employ very cheap labor. This combined with old Air Force mentality or in the office still is a recipe fo something...
If you must go to taiwan, work for a real company. evergreen.
Ps: Tip: since you will be commuting, change the law of jurisdiction to your home country. Then they can't screw with you. Expats don't have labor law protections in Taiwan. The companies know this, and now you do too.
