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does anyone have any info on Eva and China Airlines ? rumors have it that they are recruiting soon, or they might have already been recruting ?
any info is appreciated !
any info is appreciated !
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A newsclip on TV in Taiwan mentioned EVA and China Airlines and Far Eastern Airways (newly restarted) are hiring hundreds of stewardesses between them. Could mean something.
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Ok, money sucks, but what about 1.Housing 2.Education and 3.Medical?
Working conditions and what type of life is available for an expat?
I see Cx is destroying these perks for the "cadet's" and I have determined it to be easier to be poor at home with my friends and family than move to HK and be poor and miserable.
Any input would be welcome.
Working conditions and what type of life is available for an expat?
I see Cx is destroying these perks for the "cadet's" and I have determined it to be easier to be poor at home with my friends and family than move to HK and be poor and miserable.
Any input would be welcome.
Housing allowances= NT$ 24,000/ U$D 740
No school allowances/International Schools not less than U$D 1,000 per month...
Medical by the state and if something happen to one of your family memembers before the sixth month of residency you would have to pay by yourself.
Not interviews yet...
By the way, CAL is gonna charge for the type ratings...
U$D 18,000 or more...
So by ready with your checks before starting any thinking about CAL...
No school allowances/International Schools not less than U$D 1,000 per month...
Medical by the state and if something happen to one of your family memembers before the sixth month of residency you would have to pay by yourself.
Not interviews yet...
By the way, CAL is gonna charge for the type ratings...
U$D 18,000 or more...
So by ready with your checks before starting any thinking about CAL...
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surely it must be a training bond you "pay" for to the get the type rating though... a 3 year bond or something like that? not just some big $$$ right out of your pocket.
and that U$D 3,250 quoted... is that before tax? thats pretty low...
and that U$D 3,250 quoted... is that before tax? thats pretty low...
Nop, it is not a training bond. CAL requires to deposit that amount of money in a bank account in Taiwan which is going to be frozen for three years after check out in the line.
More over, if you resigned before the end of the pledge you would have an additional penalty of two full salaries.
So, you have to show real money not the willing of paying if you resign before the end of the third year.
More information, PERDIEM U$D48 per day.
If you fly to the west you can get free breakfast but if you fly to the east you don't get it.
More over, if you resigned before the end of the pledge you would have an additional penalty of two full salaries.
So, you have to show real money not the willing of paying if you resign before the end of the third year.
More information, PERDIEM U$D48 per day.
If you fly to the west you can get free breakfast but if you fly to the east you don't get it.
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fo: with per diems, flying 90h per month, about 190,000nt, you also get 13th month+tax return(depends on your family circumstances). Last year I got 160,000nt tax return so all in all with good flying 90h per month or so clear 75000-80000usd per year. Taxes in your home country are your problem.... This is a commuting job, I would say less then 5% expats actually choose to live in TW. In that case you get some housing which is just ok. Not great but not that bad either.
As long as your hours are up around 80+ every month than its decent.
As long as your hours are up around 80+ every month than its decent.
I would like to know how many months during 2008 and 2009 did you get more than 75 hrs flying as FO
Next month are you gonna get more than 75???
Maybe you are working for a different company.
Next month are you gonna get more than 75???
Maybe you are working for a different company.
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Don't compare last 2 years, they were tough, not just in Asia but everywhere. Still managed to pocket a little over 70,000usd(13th month and tax return) in 2009. This year will be at least 15-20% better. Last 7 months I have not blocked less then 85h. A lot of us were over 100h for a few months in a row but that includes a few dh sectors. And guess what, it is not letting up. Average block hours for April seems to be 95h, subject to change ofcourse. Don't know where you work or what fleet (don't really care), these are just my numbers....
At this moment we are less tha 31 FO/RP in the B744.
And for FO, the roster for 2008/2009 have been always below 75 hrs per month.
RPs is always much higher, so you would be RP I guess.
Another thing you have to take into consideration is the expatriate contract pay is calculated base in FLIGHT HOUR (TO to Landing), so if your block time is 78 hrs it is usally less than 70 flight and no overtime.
The 13th salary, is not a full salary, it is only the basic wage.
For 2008, the 13th salary was U$D 3,900 but for 2009 it was U$D 3,600.
Up to November 2009, most of the expatriates contracts were not renewed after expiring.
After November, CAL is renewing but in local terms and for one/two/three years.
My terms and conditions were at the moment of hiring,
-Ground School
U$D 2,940 (-20% tax) + hotel accomodation
-Route Training
U$D 4,304 after passing the sim check (-20% tax)
+hotel accomodation
-On the line
U$D 4,335 (-20 tax) from the next day after passing the Route training
Market allowances U$D 1,000 (not taxable)
Housing allowances: NT$ 37,000 (-20% tax)
After January 2009 for FO/RP the Market allowances were cut to U$D 500 and the Housing allowances were cut to NT$ 30,000.
For getting the tax refund, expatriate pilots have to be more the 183 days in Taipei per year.
As we were flying less for 2008/2009, we were getting those days, so the tax refund is around 10% of what you had paid.
Depends also in how many dependants do you have.
The numbers for an expatriate FO flying the basic 75 hrs per month are:
-Basic Salary (U$D4335-20%)= U$D3.468
-Market Allowances (U$D500)= U$D500
-Perdiem (12 days per month)=U$D576
-Housing allowances after tax=NT$24,600/U$D 773
Total pay check=U$D5,317
If you get the refund, mine is for 2009 NT$200,000/U$D6,289/U$D524 per month.
Adding the bonus (U$D 3600) makes an average pocket money per month of=U$D 6,141
There are few guys who are based in Vancouver/LAX/Frankfurt.
CAL calls them ELO=Extended Lay Over.
They start and end their duty in those bases.
So the company doesn't pay housing allowances but CAL provides hotel accomodation in TAIPEI (NOVOTEL at the Taoyuan Airport).
Being ELO doesn't mean that those guys are flying always to those destinations.
It means that the first day of their working month is started from their bases flying to TPE (operating or dead head).
The ELO guys usually don't get the refund because it is very hard for them to have 183 days at Taipei.
Those are the numbers for the expatriates in CAL in the 744 fleet.
And for FO, the roster for 2008/2009 have been always below 75 hrs per month.
RPs is always much higher, so you would be RP I guess.
Another thing you have to take into consideration is the expatriate contract pay is calculated base in FLIGHT HOUR (TO to Landing), so if your block time is 78 hrs it is usally less than 70 flight and no overtime.
The 13th salary, is not a full salary, it is only the basic wage.
For 2008, the 13th salary was U$D 3,900 but for 2009 it was U$D 3,600.
Up to November 2009, most of the expatriates contracts were not renewed after expiring.
After November, CAL is renewing but in local terms and for one/two/three years.
My terms and conditions were at the moment of hiring,
-Ground School
U$D 2,940 (-20% tax) + hotel accomodation
-Route Training
U$D 4,304 after passing the sim check (-20% tax)
+hotel accomodation
-On the line
U$D 4,335 (-20 tax) from the next day after passing the Route training
Market allowances U$D 1,000 (not taxable)
Housing allowances: NT$ 37,000 (-20% tax)
After January 2009 for FO/RP the Market allowances were cut to U$D 500 and the Housing allowances were cut to NT$ 30,000.
For getting the tax refund, expatriate pilots have to be more the 183 days in Taipei per year.
As we were flying less for 2008/2009, we were getting those days, so the tax refund is around 10% of what you had paid.
Depends also in how many dependants do you have.
The numbers for an expatriate FO flying the basic 75 hrs per month are:
-Basic Salary (U$D4335-20%)= U$D3.468
-Market Allowances (U$D500)= U$D500
-Perdiem (12 days per month)=U$D576
-Housing allowances after tax=NT$24,600/U$D 773
Total pay check=U$D5,317
If you get the refund, mine is for 2009 NT$200,000/U$D6,289/U$D524 per month.
Adding the bonus (U$D 3600) makes an average pocket money per month of=U$D 6,141
There are few guys who are based in Vancouver/LAX/Frankfurt.
CAL calls them ELO=Extended Lay Over.
They start and end their duty in those bases.
So the company doesn't pay housing allowances but CAL provides hotel accomodation in TAIPEI (NOVOTEL at the Taoyuan Airport).
Being ELO doesn't mean that those guys are flying always to those destinations.
It means that the first day of their working month is started from their bases flying to TPE (operating or dead head).
The ELO guys usually don't get the refund because it is very hard for them to have 183 days at Taipei.
Those are the numbers for the expatriates in CAL in the 744 fleet.
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cosmiccomet Great post...Thank you.
I was told EVA pay's even less than CAL....WOW flying widebody jet around the world for less than what I make in the right seat of A320.. I guess it would be a great place to build some jet time and leave....as long as you don't have any family to feed or see.
I was told EVA pay's even less than CAL....WOW flying widebody jet around the world for less than what I make in the right seat of A320.. I guess it would be a great place to build some jet time and leave....as long as you don't have any family to feed or see.
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That is great information posted above from some of you guys. Is there any other information on what kind of pilots they are looking for hours/experience wise? Turbine time required, previous type ratings, etc? Are guys getting hired with more or less than what I listed above? When do they plan on conducting these interviews and when does the window close? I know the pay is not the best but I am trying very hard to get to Taiwan for personal reasons. If anyone has additional information or is able to provide any assistance it would be greatly appreciated!
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Some more advice on CAL/EVA
ELO... outstation bases... Its not avail to all. Depends if there is a slot available and only generally on the 744 fleet only. Typically you will get 8-10 consecutive days off a month, and then the rest of the month operate from Taiwan. If you take the 10 days/month I believe also you no longer get vacation days. (I didn't do ELO .. but I think your 2 vac days/mo are added to your 8 days off... not sure about it...if wrong please correct me) Housing allowance is removed, which is about 800 usd so don't forget to subtract that from your take home. You won't get the favourable resident tax treatment, even if on ELO you will pay 20% to Taiwan I believe. If you stay in Taiwan, it is only reduced to about 13-17%. Anyway, its a sliding scale so the less you make the less you pay. typical rent Taipei is about 1000-1500 usd excluding expenses. So, if you take the cash, and no word if its available anymore, you will be out of pocket most likely. If you take co accom, you will stay in a hotel at the Airport with nothing around and about 1 hour drive away from Taipei. AND dont forget to pay tax in your home country whatever that rate will be. So.... maybe at the end of the day you will walk home with 4k in your pocket if your lucky, and be jet lagged and worked to the bone. Those that say takehome 70-80k/yr? Hmm... i don't know aboutthat. I was on the highest foreigner widebody rate I thought and I didn't take home that much. Maybe with OT and before taxes, and def not on ELO.
If they offer you a new Type rating, you will be stuck with a bond that they will deduct from your paycheck. Another 500-1000/month gone. And don't think you will be able to skip out. Some have tried and they have taken those people to court in their own countries and made them pay the bond.
Do not give any credit to the pension quoted in the offering, it is totally bogus. You have to reach 55 years old to get it. If you don't you get nothing. What they do is after your initial contract they will renew annually or something like that and before its your turn to collect, they will just not renew you. This has happened to so many guys now its not funny. One was in court suing (worked for many years, and was very close to 55) recently and was denied at the supreme court level. In any western country you have Labor standards/fairness Laws, that protect everyone equally. Not so in Taiwan. The supreme court easily stated that because the Foreigner was not a National, he is not entitled to the labor fairness laws. So, Apparently discrimination is alive and well in Taiwan. You are not entitled to severance either.
They lie and tell you what you want to hear to make you think there is promise and long term potential so they can screw you and keep the salary low, and then in the end just before you are going to gain something from them, you get notice so they can save on the pension and rotate a new idiot in. They say there is chance to upgrade, but its very scetchy and there out of hundreds that I have seen come and go, only about half a dozen have actually done it. You will get fought all the way... the check pilots will fail you on something small just to make the Nationals look better and give the official reason why the 2500 hour wonder will get it before you. You will get an SB on something where the national won't and it will be the reason you dont get your chance. They think they can get away with it endlessly, but don't think about the reprocussions of the guys that they screw. They don't think that those guys can reach the others that they will hire. They think that there is an endless line of foreigners that are begging for the job, and that they can get away with it forever. This is why I am writing this. Pilots should show some solidarity and gumption, and do not work for these outfits, especially since they don't pay. Show CAL/EVA that they have to compete properly for our talents. Don't be fooled, there are not the labor protection laws in Taiwan that exist in other countries. You will not get severance or anything.
If your dead set on Asia, go to Korean, where at least they are up front and TRUTHFULL about their policies and pay you more.
Big WARNING. STAY AWAY.
ELO... outstation bases... Its not avail to all. Depends if there is a slot available and only generally on the 744 fleet only. Typically you will get 8-10 consecutive days off a month, and then the rest of the month operate from Taiwan. If you take the 10 days/month I believe also you no longer get vacation days. (I didn't do ELO .. but I think your 2 vac days/mo are added to your 8 days off... not sure about it...if wrong please correct me) Housing allowance is removed, which is about 800 usd so don't forget to subtract that from your take home. You won't get the favourable resident tax treatment, even if on ELO you will pay 20% to Taiwan I believe. If you stay in Taiwan, it is only reduced to about 13-17%. Anyway, its a sliding scale so the less you make the less you pay. typical rent Taipei is about 1000-1500 usd excluding expenses. So, if you take the cash, and no word if its available anymore, you will be out of pocket most likely. If you take co accom, you will stay in a hotel at the Airport with nothing around and about 1 hour drive away from Taipei. AND dont forget to pay tax in your home country whatever that rate will be. So.... maybe at the end of the day you will walk home with 4k in your pocket if your lucky, and be jet lagged and worked to the bone. Those that say takehome 70-80k/yr? Hmm... i don't know aboutthat. I was on the highest foreigner widebody rate I thought and I didn't take home that much. Maybe with OT and before taxes, and def not on ELO.
If they offer you a new Type rating, you will be stuck with a bond that they will deduct from your paycheck. Another 500-1000/month gone. And don't think you will be able to skip out. Some have tried and they have taken those people to court in their own countries and made them pay the bond.
Do not give any credit to the pension quoted in the offering, it is totally bogus. You have to reach 55 years old to get it. If you don't you get nothing. What they do is after your initial contract they will renew annually or something like that and before its your turn to collect, they will just not renew you. This has happened to so many guys now its not funny. One was in court suing (worked for many years, and was very close to 55) recently and was denied at the supreme court level. In any western country you have Labor standards/fairness Laws, that protect everyone equally. Not so in Taiwan. The supreme court easily stated that because the Foreigner was not a National, he is not entitled to the labor fairness laws. So, Apparently discrimination is alive and well in Taiwan. You are not entitled to severance either.
They lie and tell you what you want to hear to make you think there is promise and long term potential so they can screw you and keep the salary low, and then in the end just before you are going to gain something from them, you get notice so they can save on the pension and rotate a new idiot in. They say there is chance to upgrade, but its very scetchy and there out of hundreds that I have seen come and go, only about half a dozen have actually done it. You will get fought all the way... the check pilots will fail you on something small just to make the Nationals look better and give the official reason why the 2500 hour wonder will get it before you. You will get an SB on something where the national won't and it will be the reason you dont get your chance. They think they can get away with it endlessly, but don't think about the reprocussions of the guys that they screw. They don't think that those guys can reach the others that they will hire. They think that there is an endless line of foreigners that are begging for the job, and that they can get away with it forever. This is why I am writing this. Pilots should show some solidarity and gumption, and do not work for these outfits, especially since they don't pay. Show CAL/EVA that they have to compete properly for our talents. Don't be fooled, there are not the labor protection laws in Taiwan that exist in other countries. You will not get severance or anything.
If your dead set on Asia, go to Korean, where at least they are up front and TRUTHFULL about their policies and pay you more.
Big WARNING. STAY AWAY.
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