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Old 14th Feb 2010, 11:05
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What's happening in PAL now?

So whats happening in Phil Airlines now? heard 320 pilots are in limbo, waiting their turns to lose the job or be transferred to a low cost carrier

Anyone care to share informations or Rumours ?
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 12:20
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Pilots to be transferred to LCC? could it be Airphils?

They are going to operate A320 by March 28


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Old 14th Feb 2010, 12:49
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A320

According to rumors 8 PR A320 will be transfered to PAL sister company Air Philippines with its pilots, it will start its operations on March 28 to compete with other LCC in the Philippines, there's a lot of changes going inside according to a source
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 11:51
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Rumour is that, contract renewal of PAL with its maintenance provider Lufthansa Technik Phil is still on hold as PAL is looking at HAECO as an alternative
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PAL

So there is truth to the rumour after all.
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Too late

Too late the Hero. Cebu Pacific has too much of a solid stronghold on the market already. Airphil has been trying to compete with them for 15 years now. Losing tons of money each year. When Bupak had dc-9's, airphil had 737's ...Bupak solidly beat them on all fronts. It's like saying Mcdonald's or Wendy's beating JOLIBEE. An exercise in futility.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 01:49
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more to come

grapevine has it that LT is blaming Cebupac phenomena for PAL loosing money. this greedy man do not know to run airline like Lance. LT better off with sin product s killing people with his cigarettes & alcohol & also cheating philippine government with millions of tax payment. his solution to airline loosing money is always pounding labor with more suffering. anyone working with PAL know this. PAL is not the same moral as before. PAL service turned to low class airline. even plastic utensils on board are recycled.
more to come: LT likes out of the business but nobody smart enough will inherit his bad business debts. he offered B777 with a/c & pilots to EVA air but they did not take it. he is offering PAL for sale with MVP but other businessman are smart not to take it. PAL financial books are not even open to prospect buyers. even Lufthansa mechs. are in uncertainty. FASAP cabin attendants union also up for it. Retirement age will be 45 yrs old. PALEA will be provoke to strike to have easier exit for LT.
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the train

I guess, its the best time to move on and get on the train....

dont be left behind...with nothing
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Old 17th Feb 2010, 07:22
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It was nice while it lasted

PAL will be letting go of 5 A320s in stages along with the pilots (about 4.3 pairs per aircraft). Two air crafts will be given to AirPhil at the end of Feb, one in March, October ,and January next year. Pilots who are at the bottom of seniority are deemed redundant and are given 2 options, to resign or go on leave without pay.

Option 1. Resign, no more contract, you get your retirement benefits... provided you do not join any other airline within a year.

Option 2. You go on leave without pay, you get to keep your seniority, but you can only apply with Air Phil and when the time comes for an upgrade you can get back at your beloved airline who just let go of you without any warning. Travel and medical benefits are still being negotiated.

During the meeting, somebody pointed out that if pilots were deemed redundant, would it be ok if those with higher seniority volunteer to take the place of the guys who are/will be forced to be let go since they are better prepared to go out. But in the usual fashion, the answer was no.

It really is the managements sneaky plan to direct these pilots into AirPhil, thinking they have no other choice. I pity those who just got released since they really have nothing else to do but swallow their pride and join AirPhil. As for the other pilots, they do realize that AirPhil isn't the only choice.

Management's plan (I mean the guys at PNB) thinks the best way to compete with Cebu Pac is to match prices with Airphil using the same aircraft. Their line of thinking is that PAL is a legacy airline and too precious to go head to head with Cebu Pac who is (gasp!) a low cost carrier.

Methinks this will not work. And the reasons are listed below. Feel free to add some of yours.
1. The pilots who are at the bottom of the seniority doesn't necessarily have to go to AirPhil, they got their time and training and as a bonus their contract is forfeited. Who will then man the A320s?

2. As an airline, Cebu Pacific really has a better following than Airphil.

3. The plans were born out of greed, without consideration to those who will be directly affected.

PAL pilots have pride in their jobs, and has made a lot of sacrifices to get to where they are. Too bad the guys at PNB are too short sighted to see this. In the end they will be turning over some aircrafts at Airphil, without even making sure that they will be manned. They even started selling tickets to 4 routes. (Puerto Princesa, Ilo-ilo, Bacolod, and Cagayan)

Maybe this is all part of their plan, maybe not. Whatever the case is it really doesn't look too good. I love this airline, I hate to see it fall like this, I think it's time for me to make an exit plan just like LT.

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more looses for PAL to come (LT destroyed PAL)

The Airphil transfer is one of plan of PNB building people as mentioned. but it might not work. CebuPAC is established as the low cost carrier of Philippines. It is difficult to get market share from CebuPac at this point of economic recession.
PAL earn bulk of revenue from USA flights. economic recession in the USA forced many Pinoy not to travel. Worse that some of them are straggling with their mortgage many cannot travel for fear of loosing their job to another worker.
There are 11 million filipinos worldwide, only 3.1 million in the US. LT put all eggs in one basket in concentrating on US flights because this is established market. As long as US recession happening, PAL revenue will not improve.
LT did not want to invest in market studies & want to be sigurista. This is reason why CebuPac is difficult competitor. CebuPac's business model is born of expensive market study, unique & first in Philippines. This Airphil transfer is very poor business strategy & only copycat of CebuPac model.

What about widebody operations? PNB people also have plan like 777 EVA wet lease offer based in Sanfo but no takers from other businessman abroad. Bulk of PAL looses coming from widebody international operations. So this will show how poor LT business planning with Airphil transfer plan.

Meanwhile what has LT done with legacy carrier PAL (Asia's first)? LT has spin off everything. you think PAL is loosing money but LT earned millions from a/c financing deals carried by his holding companies, loans from his bank, rent from his buildings, etc. He said that he will overhaul business plan when he bought PAL to reverse it to profitability. What he has done is cut labor cost therefore cause lots of suffering with staff but still airline is loosing money. LT is complete failure with PAL but his companies earn millions. Now he is planning his exit by way of PALEA action. there are 4 factions in PALEA & any 1 can be his pakawala.
Grapevine in chinese business community say PAL books not even open to prospect buyers. LT thinks that PAL brandname will sell by itself. Take it or leave it. No wise businessman want his trash.
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holy s**t!

PAL is in more trouble than first thought!
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Old 19th Feb 2010, 04:51
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separation pay

So, does PAL still gives P5000 pesos per year of service for the separation pay? ( if less than 20 yrs service)

Am I hearing Abandon ship very soon ?!?

Dont get Old and Get Nothing !
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Old 20th Feb 2010, 05:39
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Air Phil

hope 2P can catch up with bupak and zest, a battle between LCC's
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Old 20th Feb 2010, 08:35
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Not possible

It took years for cebu to get its act together with sharp mngt team (but many gone now). They can overtake zest etc but not 5j at this time. Too many legacy people who have no idea what an LCC is and how to operate a truly low cost model. Look who is COO straight from PAL how can a leopard change his spots?
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Old 20th Feb 2010, 12:27
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Air Phil

5J LCC system was consulted and implemented scientifically through a lot of study and investment, and patterned it from a western company, what 2P would do is to copy it externally but the problem is that they will not know what is its internal, it could take years to get the right formula plus there's a lot of people inside who may give some ideas that could cause confusion and even lead to jeopardy, 2P should consider internal buildup and management restructuring..by the way PalExpress Q3 and Q4 are now being repainted to Air Philippines livery
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Culture

Truth is PAL can not change that culture without massive people change. And this means outsiders who are no PALers. The second issue is ego. 5J used the SW model but it did not really take hold until it was forced to by previous mngt and Lances full support. CC is a good guy but truly no clue on how to make this happen..............................
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A320 classics

Some A320 "classics" will be transferred to Airphil
one of the A320 right now is under "D" Check

after this check, it will be transferred to Airphil..


And Some A320 "enhanced" will be retain at PAL
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classics

xfeed, so who's going to man the classics? will they still be eligible for wide body promotion in pal, or they're stuck with airphil for bad?

And how bad is the cash flow of pal? rumours had it that pals cash is in a limping $14M.
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Rumour has it that PAL will be setting up and doing their own line maintenance instead of contracting it
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@ jetcruiser

Sir,

i don't have any idea who will fly those classics,
right now, the question of balagbag boys?

after the a/c completed "D Check" and released..
who will handle the maintenance of this A320?
balagbag boys? gate 2?

we don't have any idea who will handle the maintenance!

yes, those classics will be turn over with Airphil, and they're stuck for

about the rumors of PAL about maintenance....

balagbag boys wondering... why?
and what is really happening right now?!
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