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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 00:02
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ATR F/Os

Hi Migair,

Try Wings Air. I saw their brand new ATR 72-500s yerterday at WIII.
They have a huge ATR order.


GoodLuck!

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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 01:03
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Expat Pilots

I wonder how many expat pilots in total are flying in Indonesia ? Ok, Susi Air has a 20 or 30 (?) expat pilots , how many with other airlines and operators ? 50 to 100 in total ?

There's 1 Filippino check and training captain on a freight operation I'm involved with and he's on a short term work permit until the local pilots have sufficient ICUS with but really you don't see that many expats around.

Probably a lot of expat heli pilots though in remote areas as there is virtually no local supply.

It seems a lot apply to work here but very few get jobs unless they can offer check and training not available locally.

All the turboprop operators are screaming for pilots as their more senior guys are going jets with the airlines so I guess there maybe a chance on the ATR for a foreign pilot short term.
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All the turboprop operators are screaming for pilots as their more senior guys are going jets with the airlines so I guess there maybe a chance on the ATR for a foreign pilot short term.
They ain't getting many because of the puny amount on their paychecks (I recall one offering left seat on a 50 seater for much less than a jet right seater)

After talking to the management of one operator, I foresee that this will continue, that one have atrocious working conditions that expats being offered widebody salaries might still not touch even with a bargepole!
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If I was to hazard a guess as to how many expats flying in Indonesia, I would say between 200-300. Susi is close to 100 pilots by now and there is almost 20 operators off the top of my head that currently have expats, most of which are not limited to TRI/TRE positions.

Something to add, which hasn't yet been mentioned in this forum, or the Batavia forum, is that Batavia recently advertised for ATR crews.
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Batavia recently advertised for ATR crews
Considering what i heard about the B737 contract, i think Batavia will offer only a daily nasi goreng with teh botol as a "salary" to the ATR drivers. Oh no, if you sign a 10 years bond they may give some bakso now and then...
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 01:30
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I avoid Bakso like the plague. The 2 times I have been REALLY sick eating food here were from meatballs.
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Considering what i heard about the B737 contract, i think Batavia will offer only a daily nasi goreng with teh botol as a "salary" to the ATR drivers. Oh no, if you sign a 10 years bond they may give some bakso now and then...
I had to re-read that a few times to realize that U're not deluding yourself... "A daily nasigoreng"... hehehe, not "nasi goreng as daily mealS"...

I avoid Bakso like the plague. The 2 times I have been REALLY sick eating food here were from meatballs.
I have as a rule, avoided bakso before flights unless it's from a credible stall... (to which, none of the stalls at Halim or CGK qualifies as "credible Bakso stalls").

Attention: Bakso balls with Gin and Bir Bintang have severe effects the next morning before flight!
Or excess Durians... there's no hangover worse than trying to put your uniform on in the morning after a night of Durian and Bintang... let alone make it to the airplane!
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What's the total population of pilot's in Indonesia ?

I won't even guess at this as I was out by a factor of 3 on the expats !
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Sentani - Trigana Caribou

Is Trigana's Caribou still serviceable ? Last week I spoke with an engineer who has been in Sentani for a few months and he said the DHC4 hasn't moved in that time.
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Haven't been down to Papua for a while now but as far as I know the 'bou is parked up in Sentani. I think they did a couple of flights after the gear collapse and that was it. If only the ATR 42 could make it into Mamit eh!

Their 737-200 has started cargo ops to Wamena apparently now. Do you know if it is the one that was Parked up at Pondok Cabe? PK-YG* (saya lupa).
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No , the 737-200 pax (ex Jatayu ?) is still parked next to Indopelita , it's a basket case and will never fly again.

Interesting they are taking a 737-200 into Wamena, must be way down on payload ? 732s are really cheap now around $1 to 1.5 mil for a good one , cheap ones around $800 to $900k , less than a Caravan
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Actually my bad it turns out its a 737-300 so maybe not payload restricted but would surely be 'exciting' out of Wamena.
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Hi Massey ,

Are you sure it's a 737-300 ? I thought Trigana had a 732 (JT8D engines) ?
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Was told it was a 737-300 but should get to see some photos soon.
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WI Rumpin Airport

Does anyone know anything about Rumpin Airport (WI) ?

What's the purpose , a previous satellite training field for Curug ?

It looks disused.

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6°22'29.41"S , 106°37'29.45"E

Update : Apparently it's air force land in dispute with local landowners , the 2 aircraft parked were Malaysian Air Force.

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Was told it was a 737-300 but should get to see some photos soon.
Yes , it's a 737-300 , it went into service late December '09
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733 into Wamena? That got some people's eyes popping out!

As for Rumpin, it is disused. The Air Force use it for Special Forces training (Heli ops for troop insertion on water) at the lake next door.

Fancy putting a couple of hangars up there and use it for G/A? It's not that far off Serpong. The problem is, the runway is used for drag racing by the locals. Trying to reconvert it back to an operational runway will surely bring some local riots if ur unlucky.
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I read some local news stories on Rumpin and the land disputes between the air force and locals , don't think it would be too nice to be in the middle of that

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Any jobs opertunities in East Asia for A320 rated pilots ?

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Aerial Application and Waterbombing in Indonesia ?

Why ISN'T there a big Aerial Application and Waterbombing aviation sector in Indonesia ?

I think one of the plantations in Kalimantan has just received an AT-802 Air Tractor as there was one parked at Halim for a few weeks and Satuan Udara Pertanian used to use PZL Wilgas and Porters , why didn't it catch on here in Indonesia ?

Also the massive forest fires in Kalimantan would be an opprotunity for waterbombing , anyone have any insight on these issues ?
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