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Old 21st Feb 2010, 11:46
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Resigning pilots

Hear from the grapevine that some expat pilots have resigned lately.It is also apparent that the job market is hotting up significantly all over the planet, but not least in Asia.It is not surpising then that pilots at outfits like Batavia, will just take off as soon as an offer better than $20usd an hour pops up.Yes thats $20usd an hour, wow......$2000usd a month, with average of 110 hours a month flight time equals just un der $20.Charming Batavia.Pilots are not slaves!!!
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Old 22nd Feb 2010, 21:58
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Resignations

It is true. Last week 2 expat pilots resigned from Batavia. The expat FO pay is indeed USD2,000 a month for 100 hours. Captain is USD4,000 a month for the same flight time. Cost of living in Indonesia is about 1/2 of the USA.


Those are the facts, not rumor
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Old 12th Apr 2010, 09:51
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I heard some rumors lately that even more expats has left the company. They have just gone on "vacation" but haven't returned. People are stuck in line training getting no flights and everybody are pritty unhappy since they get treated like sht. Do you have a HU on the situation?
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Batavia Rumors

I hate to say but that last posting in....quite the reality at Batavia. Not rumor. It's a fact.
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Exodus

Not rumor. It's true. More people are leaving and some are not returning. The last Expat Captain just left and Batavia has indicated they shall not hire foreign Captains anymore. About 4 FO's also left the company within the last month.

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Advice

Hi Hogger60,
Having read your posts i see that u have immense knowledge about batavia air. I have some questions to ask you. Does batavia air provide aa type rating ?? and if os do they make you sign a bond? and if so for how many years? I am an Indian Citizen and i have an Faa and Indian CPL with multi IR as well. So what is the procedure to convert it into an indonesian cpl if i am trying to get a job with Batavia air and how long does this process of conversion or validation take?? Please let know the answers to the above questions.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 01:23
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Australia?
Indonesian Batavia to service Australia - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com
Five Indonesian airlines seek rights to Australia: Batavia, Sriwijaya, Mandala, Lion Air & AirAsia | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 03:26
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EU Clears Runway for 2 More Indonesian Carriers

Jakarta Globe 2nd July 2010

Two more domestic airlines have won approval to fly to Europe, one year after the European Union allowed four other Indonesian carriers regained access to the continent, an air transportation chief said on Friday.

Herry Bhakti Singayuda, director general of air transportation at the Ministry of Transportation, said that the EU would officially announce that Batavia Air and Indonesia AirAsia will be allowed to fly routes to European Union member nations by the end of this month.

“[The EU] air transportation director [Daniel] Calleja told me that the two airlines have been released from the ban,” he said, adding that Batavia, Air Asia and Lion Air submitted proposals to the EU during a meeting in Brussels last week.

In 2007, the EU imposed a ban on all of the country’s 51 airlines, effectively blocking them from flying into European airspace.

The ban came on the back of a series of Indonesian crashes and a subsequent damning report by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

The Montreal-based body found that Indonesian airlines’ safety and maintenance regimes fell well below European standards.

From 2004 to 2007, the rate of Indonesian airline crashes was about 15 times higher than that of the global average.

However, the ban and the ensuing public relations disaster that followed, forced local carriers to address the ICAO recommendations.

In 2009, the EU lifted the flight ban for Garuda Indonesia, Mandala Airlines, Airfast, and PrimeAir.

However, only Garuda has returned to the continent, with a route to Amsterdam.

Herry said for airlines to get off the no-fly list, they must already have achieved the nation’s top airworthiness category, which qualifies them for an Aviation Operator Certification issued by the ICAO.

Lion Air, which is in the top safety category, failed to convince the EU that it would be able to expand its fleet and coverage while maintaining high European safety standards.

“Out of three airlines we proposed, two were approved by the EU,” he said. “It is good that their confidence in our air safety and industry is increasing.”

Edward Sirait, a spokesman for Lion Air, said the airline was not planning to fly to Europe.

“What matters is that our airline will get international recognition if the ban is lifted,” Edward said, “not whether we will fly to Europe or not.”

Danang Parikesit, chairman of the Indonesian Transportation Society, said Indonesia had worked hard to win back the trust of the EU and travelers.

However, he said, safety should not be viewed as the sole responsibility of the airlines, but rather a cooperative relationship shared by carriers and the government.

“Safety should also be a major concern for the regulator as well,” he said.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 03:39
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And days later being cleared to fly to EU..

"Jakarta G. 15th July 2010.

A Batavia Air flight from Pekanbaru, Riau, to Jakarta had to turn back and make an emergency landing midway through the journey on Thursday evening when two explosions were heard coming from the left wing.

Passengers on board reportedly panicked but the plane was not turned back immediately.

“During take off the engine sounded really rough, and five minutes later there was quite a loud bang,” said Amir Husein, one of the passengers.

“Everyone was screaming. Passengers panicked 15 minutes later upon hearing another bang near the left wing of the plane, which began to spark.”

Amir added that the pilot did not explain what the explosions were, only that there were technical problems and as a result, the flight crew would conduct an emergency landing.

“The pilot said that in order to make the emergency landing at Pekanbaru, we had to burn off fuel by circling from 6.45 p.m. to 8.45 p.m.,” he said.

Passengers got even more agitated when the air conditioning had to be turned off.

“But as soon as we landed, everyone clapped their hands,” Amir added.

No immediate report was available for the cause of the explosions or the decision to turn back, while the authorities declined to say if the two incidents were linked. There were 186 passengers and crew on board the airplane.

Batavia rescheduled the flight for the next day, but just before takeoff on Friday morning, a female passenger became hysterical and had to be taken off the plane.

According to an airline official, Zulkifli, the passenger, Andranita, was screaming and pulling a flight attendant’s shirt when the plane was about to take off.

The pilot finally decided to have her removed from the plane to prevent disruptions to the flight. Andranita was helped off the plane by another passenger.

However, Andranita denied that she had been a nuisance. She claimed she only asked a flight attendant to ask the plane’s technician if the plane was ready to fly because she did not want to go through a repetition of Thursday evening’s incident.

“I was traumatized and I asked the flight attendant to confirm that all was well with the plane to reassure us, but she didn’t give me a satisfactory answer,” Andranita said.

According to Ahmadi, who helped Andranita off the plane, she didn’t do anything that may have disrupted the flight.

“It’s highly regrettable that Batavia Air didn’t understand the psychology of passengers who almost experienced an accident. We are all traumatized,” Ahmadi said."


I only guess the only way to fly to EU by an Indonesian to carrier is to buy Airbus, a bit of you scratch my back and I scratch yours... there is no way Batavia can be clear to fly to EU without the Airbus they have.

So be careful out there my cowboys and cowgals..
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Old 6th Aug 2010, 07:02
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Well Jetjockey,
Lion's Wings ordered the ATRs and couldn't get the exemption.
Batavia's Airbuses are, "unapprovedly maintained" according to Airbus.

So, seems that the EU ban isn't strict. Really! CASA's audits were stricter!
All the EU asked for is:
- Are you adequately covered by the DGCA?
- Do you have records of your screwups?
- What do you do regarding those screwups?

Lion answered, "screwups? what screwups? We NEVER screwup!" Everyone knows that's a lie.
Batavia answered, "oh, we screwed up REAL bad in this, this, this and this. We're implementing this, this and this, but we don't know what the resultant improvements are." And that was acceptable.
The major difference between those two is one tries to cover it all up (and allegedly forks out heaps of money to keep the media silent), whilst the other, just says, "yes we suck!"

Put me on a Batavia A320 with only 1 IRS working anyday over a Lion 737-900ER with a claimed "spotless record".

Partially "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" is true, but not the whole truth.
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Old 7th Aug 2010, 01:11
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Does anyone know the FO requirements?
Do you need to be typed?

thanks in advance
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 22:48
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hi !! what about their 737-300 did they have EFIS on board with ND or only EHSI ??
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Old 19th Sep 2010, 00:51
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Yes its now official DGCA policy.You must have 500 hours on type, in order for the DGCA to approve a foreign pilots licence validation, for example B737 or A320.You will not be able to be employed if you dont have this so will be wasting your time coming here without those hours.This apparently in response to the very many expats going to Indonesia to gain some jet time, or time on type to qualify for more lucrative jobs back home etc.
I was just checking out the website of batavia airlines and the minimum requirments for a FO B737/A320 are:

1. CPL ME IR holder;
2. min. on type 100 hours

Is this the same for an expat? Because that means you don't need the 500 hours.
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Old 19th Sep 2010, 05:15
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guys... just apply.. my friend is now flying with Batavia without any hours on type (B737). Anything is possible. Just send your resume to these guys. nothing to lose. They got over 20 foreigner in batavia.. I expect some will jump ship to Garuda..for better pay and conditions.


Batavia do need pilots... just do it...
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Old 19th Sep 2010, 10:24
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Did your friend have a B737 TR?
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Old 19th Sep 2010, 16:31
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Yep a current type rating.. my friend flew props.. before the join batavia. No hours on type...


requirement:

# Rated and current license on Type B 737-300/400
# Current Medical
# English Proficiency min. level 4


HRD Department

PT. METRO BATAVIA

Jl. Ir. Juanda Raya No. 15

Jakarta Pusat 10120

INDONESIA.


Email: hrd @ batavia-air.co.id


BTW... dont expect much of T&C, benefits, housing and salary.. and changes in contract when you get here. All nice and dodgy... but if you are game and have a sense of adventure..do it... NOT for the faint hearted..

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Old 19th Sep 2010, 17:15
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thanks for that jetjockey696
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Old 3rd Oct 2010, 12:25
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Anyone know the requirements for the Airbus fleet and 'screening' process at Batavia?

Thanks
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Old 20th Oct 2010, 12:38
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Im not typerated on 737 or a320 yet, but i am willing to do that if i can fly for batavia airlines. I can drop my resume letter and cv personally and i know some people there. Do you guys think i make any chance if i let them know that i am willing to do the typerating and pay it by myself.
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Old 10th Nov 2010, 13:53
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Hi, looks like they are still recruting. Going by what has been said in earlier posts, do they still require 500 hours multi crew time? Im rated on the A320 with just under 100 hours and have not had any luck here in Europe so thought I may a well give it a shot. Any new updates or information would be greatly appreciated
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