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Old 6th Nov 2009, 16:27
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CFM56,
Quit the "I'm there and you're not" game... it's only been a short period since you appeared to have no clue on the company...

Congrats on making it... welcome to "hell"... *hehehehe*
Say hi to "Jeff" on the 330 and tell him good to have the rotations changed before the DGAC accused him for duty busting for me will ya!

I'm sure it won't be long till you can really "feel" the Batavia experience... oh hang on... you're not local... they'll spoil you... Go and check the log book of the guys you're flying with...

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Old 7th Nov 2009, 21:17
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Got fired?

PK-KAR

It seems like you got fire from Batavia. How did you manage to do that? One really needs to work hard to be let go.

Best of luck on your next job!
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 17:41
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CFM56,
Now now, no need to be slanderous. With Captains who still fly there preferring to do his take off numbers using the LDA, or not knowing how the IRS and NAV correction work causing them to end up trying to land elsewhere, at times flying on the Airbus with 1 IR only, frequent structural MTOW busts... no, I didn't get fired from Batavia, I don't even want to go there! It won't be my cup of tea for a while. And that explains why the CCP and several Ops guys moved out of there recently.

Of course, to top it all off, their A330 spilled its gut fluid (HYD) allover the tarmac till the reservoir was dry during the proving flights...

But, as someone said, it's all up to each of us to decide... enjoy or loathe or regret it... each of us is different in what we look for. No need to be defensive about it. 27th of August until today isn't a long time, and probably not enough for you to know the nooks and crannies of the airline yet, so no point in claiming otherwise.

Here's an advise for you to stay alive, paper numbers and reality needs to be crosschecked often at Batavia, unless you're the type who look forward to flying with the local guys who flies 140hrs a month on dual log books... well, if they never tell you, won't be surprised.

And for pay wise, other shops pay locals 1.5x or even double the "expat Cpt pay" in Batavia. Heck, what the local leftseaters get for hourly flight pay is equivalent to what the junior cabin crew earn in another airline!

And as to:
It seems like you got fire from Batavia.
Well, seems that the fire I'm getting from Batavia is from you. ICAO lvl 4 my good ol' chap?

I hope your presence there will weed out the ones who should have been fireD, and bring better pay and conditions into Batavia.
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 23:21
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Thanks

Thanks PK-KAR for your angle on things, for some reason I think you are spot on .
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 03:17
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Well, for those wanting to join Batavia, there is one good news... CFM56 is absolutely correct, you do need to work DAMN HARD to get fired!!!! Heck, even stealing simulator time for a friend who claims to be a relative (who then runs around with a fake Batavia ID going around airports claiming to be a Batavia crew to crews from other airlines), and instructing for that so called "relative" for at least 100hrs does not get you fired !!!!!!!!!! Even after being caught red handed with all the simlogs and other evidence!

I have a few colleagues in there who are out of ideas on how to get fired out of there, thanks to the contract they're in (doesn't include ability to refuse to fly an non-dispatch-able aircraft with passengers on board). The rule there is, you leave before the end, you PAY (and pay a lot), or you stay till the end of the contract... in the meantime, accept whatever condition the company gives you.

Some of you might think this is a local vs expat kind of thing, but here's my question... would you fly in the monsoon with someone who's already done 1475 hours this year to date on a 5th leg of the day at dusk?

So, CFM56, is that 4K USD for 100hrs all in (as in the total you receive each month) for left seat ???? If so, man, you areshort changed. Mind you, you seem to like it! Good on ya! I'll have lunch with my colleagues (locals) with 9K for 95hrs at a local non-government owned airline and we'll drink to your fortunes!

Skycruiser1, the choice is yours buddy. Who knows, I or CFM56 might be telling you porky pies... or maybe both of us are...
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 10:13
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PK-KAR

Hi PK,

In my dealings with this guys, I TOTALY believe you. Every warning bell goes off in my head.

By the way, the Expat contract does not stipulate any monetary penalties, if you leave before the contract is up. But then again the contract is bare bones....hardly enforceable overseas.
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 16:21
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Ask PK-KAR

To all of you who want to get information about Batavia, just ask PK-KAR. He appears to be the "go-to guy".

No more personal messages!


Good luck to all
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 21:20
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It's very clear that PK-KAR doesn't want expats flying in Indonesia. Anyway, he's kind of right when he complains about the work conditions. And yes, Batavia is a bit dodgy, like ALL airlines in Indo, but remember that almost all crashes in the archipelago happened due to pilots doing some stupid stuff. Just be careful with ATC and check the airplane conditions very well before flying and you should be safe. The money Batavia is paying is not much, but is OK for Indonesia. I would rather fly for them than being in Europe during winter doing nothing.

By the way, 9K for 95Hs in Indo? Bollocks...i don't believe you. For which Indonesian airline are you flying?
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 21:38
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Exclamation

Originally Posted by GBV
And yes, Batavia is a bit dodgy, like ALL airlines in Indo, but remember that almost all crashes in the archipelago happened due to pilots doing some stupid stuff. Just be careful with ATC and check the airplane conditions very well before flying and you should be safe.
GBV have you got the proof of what you have stated? Because in my little experience, it's not entirely true. I would like to see proven evidence of what you are saying.

Originally Posted by PK-KAR
Some of you might think this is a local vs expat kind of thing, but here's my question... would you fly in the monsoon with someone who's already done 1475 hours this year to date on a 5th leg of the day at dusk?
In one word.......NO!!!
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 22:06
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Sorry GBV, you're dead wrong! we NEED expats flying here! However, I am just disturbed when someone who less than 3 months ago have little knowledge about Batavia, suddenly gets peeved off when someone complains about their conduct when dealing with someone else using the "I'm in, and you're not so therefore you're telling porky pies" tagline.

I have been trying to get some carriers to accept expats here, unfortunately it seems that for some those who are open to the idea, the mentality of a lot of the management is, "hey, they need the job, some have come to us desperate for work, so let's get ourselves a huge bargain," whilst some have adopted the "who cares if they can't really fly, they're foreign, they screw up, we'll just kick them out of the country and tell the DGAC "Damn Foreigners"" mentality. To me, that's extremely sad! Some carriers do need an injection of expats to change the "box mentality" aka "oh that's not how we do it in Indonesia, who cares if the rest of the world have stopped doing that 20 years ago" mentality.

4k USD for 100hrs is by mainline Indonesian carriers' jet standard is sorry to say, beginning to be short changed. Other carriers pay that for 80hrs...

Guys at Citilink and Indonesia Air Asia take home 50% more for 60 - 80 hrs, and above 80, they money kicks in and you'll end up double what Batavia's paying. UNFORTUNATELY, neither of the above take in expats at the moment, and I do hope that will change soon. Several other carriers here now offer 5-6K for captains on narrowbody jets.

U dun believe the 9K for 95H? Certain things have gone forward here... but yes, I didn't believe it until I saw the pay records of someone at one of the 2 carriers I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

I would rather fly for them than being in Europe during winter doing nothing.
This is why I said, it's up to each one to decide. I for one understand why, I just don't feel comfortable for not giving the heads up to someone to go to another country on the other side of the world without knowing what he/she faces. Beyond that, it ain't my business guv!

For those who want to come in here, make a good living, and contributes to the overall improvements of safety standards, have a beer at my place sometime (but you pay for the beer!) whichever airline you join or whichever airline and country come from! Why? Coz I want less "crashes in the archipelago happened due to pilots doing some stupid stuff."

However, for those who want to lie their way into Indonesia, go somewhere else! I heard DGAC caught 2 of them last month...
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 23:18
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Think

Expats need to sit down and do some serious thinking if its worth flying for this company.

-Poor Pay
-Continuously changing terms
-Excessive schedules, many times illegal with 140 hours in a month
-Bare bones contract that offer zero to no protection
-Atrocious safety records after industry standards
-Sharing small apartment with another crew member
-Travel to Indonesia payed only at 50 %, IF you pass DGCA
-Half Pay while waiting for DGCA conversion, this takes weeks and sometimes over a month
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Old 10th Nov 2009, 00:59
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GBV have you got the proof of what you have stated? Because in my little experience, it's not entirely true. I would like to see proven evidence of what you are saying.
NTSC

Sorry GBV, you're dead wrong! we NEED expats flying here! However, I am just disturbed when someone who less than 3 months ago have little knowledge about Batavia, suddenly gets peeved off when someone complains about their conduct when dealing with someone else using the "I'm in, and you're not so therefore you're telling porky pies" tagline.
Well, the guy only said that nobody was waiting for license validations, he never said that Batavia was a perfect and happy place.

I have been trying to get some carriers to accept expats here, unfortunately it seems that for some those who are open to the idea, the mentality of a lot of the management is, "hey, they need the job, some have come to us desperate for work, so let's get ourselves a huge bargain," whilst some have adopted the "who cares if they can't really fly, they're foreign, they screw up, we'll just kick them out of the country and tell the DGAC "Damn Foreigners"" mentality. To me, that's extremely sad! Some carriers do need an injection of expats to change the "box mentality" aka "oh that's not how we do it in Indonesia, who cares if the rest of the world have stopped doing that 20 years ago" mentality.
An expat in the cockpit doesn't mean you are safe, ExpressAir just had a very bad experience. Do you agree?

Happy landings
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Old 14th Nov 2009, 01:37
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He...he...

Guys....

I told you so......

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...............be careful with your contract and offering from BTV.

Read and read again .......

Cheers...

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Old 14th Nov 2009, 04:07
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The contract is completely bare bones, does NOT contain much at all. That's why they change the terms on a whim!!
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Old 24th Nov 2009, 07:29
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What is the compulsory retirement age with Batavia for an expat captain - anyone have any facts?
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Old 26th Nov 2009, 19:05
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ESPAÑA

Buenas ,

Creo que eres español me gustria hablar contigo si esta por Jakarta..
enviame un privado,
Sludos
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Old 5th Dec 2009, 18:43
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Buenas,

Pensé que todavía vuelan A320 en Rusia.
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Old 8th Dec 2009, 09:52
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Thumbs up A Thought...

I Like these:



It won't be my cup of tea for a while.


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Old 21st Dec 2009, 04:49
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Whats the latest with this outfit, there where some expats that went there and then quiet.

No feed back from anyone??
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 18:48
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Storpikk,... It's not so much third party hearsay now is it?
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