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I am not suggesting that this is only an Indian phenomenon. I am merely shedding light on something, that I know, that happened at KF to a fellow pilot. I agree with AriGold ... this could (and most likely) be happening elsewhere in the World.
At SQ and most other reputable airlines, expats are not just thrown on to the streets. Their contracts are not renewed and are advised well in advance of this. Regardless of the financial situation of the airline, their contracts are honoured, to the end. This gives a person adequate time to secure another job or plan ones finances accordingly. Unfortunately, this is not the manner pink slips were handed out in India. This applies to both pilots and cabin crew (ie; JetAirways cabin crew sacking, last year!).
Thank you Sky Dancer. You are absolutely right ... no other airline company change terms & conditions as fast as Indian airline companys do. To them, a contract is just a piece of paper! Thats why the Indian pilots cried foul and brought it to the notice of the Indian DGCA!!!
There is an aviation crisis all over the World (not only in India)!! It is so difficult to secure a job as most airlines have simply stopped hiring. The few airlines that are, are flooded with pilot applications. So, yes AriGold! If there is a job offer in India, most pilots would be back. One would be a fool not to take the opportunity. All of us have responsibilities (financial, personal, social and towards our Family). But at least, thanks to open discussions and forums like this, individuals would be more aware of whats going on where, when they take up employment!!
I am not suggesting that this is only an Indian phenomenon. I am merely shedding light on something, that I know, that happened at KF to a fellow pilot. I agree with AriGold ... this could (and most likely) be happening elsewhere in the World.
At SQ and most other reputable airlines, expats are not just thrown on to the streets. Their contracts are not renewed and are advised well in advance of this. Regardless of the financial situation of the airline, their contracts are honoured, to the end. This gives a person adequate time to secure another job or plan ones finances accordingly. Unfortunately, this is not the manner pink slips were handed out in India. This applies to both pilots and cabin crew (ie; JetAirways cabin crew sacking, last year!).
Thank you Sky Dancer. You are absolutely right ... no other airline company change terms & conditions as fast as Indian airline companys do. To them, a contract is just a piece of paper! Thats why the Indian pilots cried foul and brought it to the notice of the Indian DGCA!!!
There is an aviation crisis all over the World (not only in India)!! It is so difficult to secure a job as most airlines have simply stopped hiring. The few airlines that are, are flooded with pilot applications. So, yes AriGold! If there is a job offer in India, most pilots would be back. One would be a fool not to take the opportunity. All of us have responsibilities (financial, personal, social and towards our Family). But at least, thanks to open discussions and forums like this, individuals would be more aware of whats going on where, when they take up employment!!
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Well one must face the reality that eventually all the expats would be phased out. Right now about 20 have been laid off,in about 2-3 mnths another 20 can be expected to be laid off,it all depends on the number of indians taking command.Indian captains cost less to the company than the expats,simple business sense.Though its sad that many good ones have been laid off.
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Oh Wannabe, you speak like a babe.............read the small print in an Indian contract?...........go to an Indian Court for justice?
Come off it my friend just try and grow up faster, would ya?
These guys are right ofcourse as no other Country or Airline (except ones with an image problem) would have behaved the way the 5 Star crap treated it's expats. They were the guys who were qualified to fly in poor weather conditions (which saved face for the 5 star mogul during last winter - perhaps you didn't know that?).
Well, being grateful is one thing and being treated right is another.....but both were lacking in India, my friend so please don't tell those experienced guys how to suck eggs.
Come off it my friend just try and grow up faster, would ya?
These guys are right ofcourse as no other Country or Airline (except ones with an image problem) would have behaved the way the 5 Star crap treated it's expats. They were the guys who were qualified to fly in poor weather conditions (which saved face for the 5 star mogul during last winter - perhaps you didn't know that?).
Well, being grateful is one thing and being treated right is another.....but both were lacking in India, my friend so please don't tell those experienced guys how to suck eggs.
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Moderate,
I appreciate the expat experience and feel it is very good for Indian aviation. However much like there are many bad apples (as we saw in the recent jet airways experience). In the same way there are some expats albeit fewer who tend to create a negative perception or simply behave like thier indian counterparts and be
babies by making a mountain out of a molehill.
Do remember the Indian airlines would like to keep expats, however with the government constantly re drawing boundries and with the Indian pilots constantly barraging and creating a ruckus about expats, they have succumbed to public pressure.
Overall the act needs to be pieced together by the Indian Labor ministry where once and for all they need to define the laws and then stick by it regardless of all the screaming and yelling.
As for the Indian court system, well not the best, but still better than not having one like the ME, including freedom of speech!
I appreciate the expat experience and feel it is very good for Indian aviation. However much like there are many bad apples (as we saw in the recent jet airways experience). In the same way there are some expats albeit fewer who tend to create a negative perception or simply behave like thier indian counterparts and be
babies by making a mountain out of a molehill.Do remember the Indian airlines would like to keep expats, however with the government constantly re drawing boundries and with the Indian pilots constantly barraging and creating a ruckus about expats, they have succumbed to public pressure.
Overall the act needs to be pieced together by the Indian Labor ministry where once and for all they need to define the laws and then stick by it regardless of all the screaming and yelling.
As for the Indian court system, well not the best, but still better than not having one like the ME, including freedom of speech!
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"I appreciate the expat experience and feel it is very good for Indian aviation. However much like there are many bad apples (as we saw in the recent jet airways experience). In the same way there are some expats albeit fewer who tend to create a negative perception or simply behave like thier indian counterparts and be 
babies by making a mountain out of a molehill".
Dunno what you mean herebrother but thanks for your honesty, elsewhere.
As for bad apples, some are still there !
Jet issue is not an Expat issue from what I know...........and babies making a mountain of a molehill - what are these, mate?
There are no simple molehills out there anyway.
Expat experience is of paramount importance to Indian aviation as very few locals have sufficient experience away from home and is something your DGCA is concerned of. One accident or a major incident would be enough to put the last nail in the coffin of VJM's stuttering 5 start airline but the locals don't look beyond their noses, do they?
babies by making a mountain out of a molehill".Dunno what you mean herebrother but thanks for your honesty, elsewhere.
As for bad apples, some are still there !
Jet issue is not an Expat issue from what I know...........and babies making a mountain of a molehill - what are these, mate?
There are no simple molehills out there anyway
. Expat experience is of paramount importance to Indian aviation as very few locals have sufficient experience away from home and is something your DGCA is concerned of. One accident or a major incident would be enough to put the last nail in the coffin of VJM's stuttering 5 start airline but the locals don't look beyond their noses, do they?
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"I appreciate the expat experience and feel it is very good for Indian aviation. However much like there are many bad apples (as we saw in the recent jet airways experience). In the same way there are some expats albeit fewer who tend to create a negative perception or simply behave like thier indian counterparts and be babies by making a mountain out of a molehill".
Dunno what you mean here brother but thanks for your honesty, elsewhere.
As for bad apples, some of the worse are still there and holding higher posts than what they came with !
Jet issue is not an Expat issue from what I know...........and babies making a mountain of a molehill - what are these, mate?
There are no simple molehills out there, am I right ?.
Expat experience is of paramount importance to Indian aviation as very few locals have sufficient experience away from home and is something your DGCA is concerned of. One accident or major incident would be enough to put the last nail in the coffin of VJM's stuttering 5 start airline but the locals don't look beyond their noses, do they?
The worst is the way your HR had handled the terminations of the expats........damn disgrace, not even a third grade brewery would do things in such a unprofessional manner..........but then, what is the experience level or caliber of those in high office?
Need i say more?
babies by making a mountain out of a molehill".Dunno what you mean here brother but thanks for your honesty, elsewhere.
As for bad apples, some of the worse are still there and holding higher posts than what they came with !
Jet issue is not an Expat issue from what I know...........and babies making a mountain of a molehill - what are these, mate?
There are no simple molehills out there, am I right ?
. Expat experience is of paramount importance to Indian aviation as very few locals have sufficient experience away from home and is something your DGCA is concerned of. One accident or major incident would be enough to put the last nail in the coffin of VJM's stuttering 5 start airline but the locals don't look beyond their noses, do they?
The worst is the way your HR had handled the terminations of the expats........damn disgrace, not even a third grade brewery would do things in such a unprofessional manner..........but then, what is the experience level or caliber of those in high office?
Need i say more?
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Jet issue is definitely not an expat issue on the surface. It is the local pilots who are trying their level best to get the expats out and it is the local pilots who are the bad apples in this case. A few are spoiling it for the others.
I am not privy to how the HR actually handled the issue here in India, but from my understanding a pink slip is a pink slip anywhere in the world (recipient of one myself and regardless of how nicely they do it you still feel a boot up your backside as in the end you are still a foreigner and you go first).
In the bigger picture the DGCA probably in typical rushed manner did not think the entire policy out and did not lay down guidelines considering that Indian pilots would start crawling out of the wood work as soon as thier parents realized it was a high paying field. If clear and precise direction and skill and experience as well as grade levels and other such things were laid out then the airlines would have a path to tread. Black or white and not shades of grey. Unfortunately this is a the bane of the country that operates on knee jerk.
I am not privy to how the HR actually handled the issue here in India, but from my understanding a pink slip is a pink slip anywhere in the world (recipient of one myself and regardless of how nicely they do it you still feel a boot up your backside as in the end you are still a foreigner and you go first).
In the bigger picture the DGCA probably in typical rushed manner did not think the entire policy out and did not lay down guidelines considering that Indian pilots would start crawling out of the wood work as soon as thier parents realized it was a high paying field. If clear and precise direction and skill and experience as well as grade levels and other such things were laid out then the airlines would have a path to tread. Black or white and not shades of grey. Unfortunately this is a the bane of the country that operates on knee jerk.
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whats the status of the trainees on hold?
Can anyone shed some light on the status of the Trainee pilots KFA had taken in @ a Stipend of 10k or something??
Like are they Flying or are they still on HOLD?
and have they completed their TYPE ratings?
Like are they Flying or are they still on HOLD?
and have they completed their TYPE ratings?
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they all have type ratings on d ATR or 320 nd they r all sittin at home wid a stipend of 20K...
not sure whts happenin nd im sure even kf has no idea what to do with them..
not sure whts happenin nd im sure even kf has no idea what to do with them..
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they all have type ratings on d ATR or 320 nd they r all sittin at home wid a stipend of 20K...
not sure whts happenin nd im sure even kf has no idea what to do with them..
not sure whts happenin nd im sure even kf has no idea what to do with them..
Well the good part is atleast they can say theyr with KINGFISHER.
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Things don't look right in Kingfisher.
Kingfisher terminates 58 maintenance engineers
Kingfisher terminates 58 maintenance engineers
Kingfisher airline has now terminated 58 of its aircraft maintenance engineers.
The airline, which is reeling under severe financial crisis, has been on a retrenchment process for the past 15 days.
Network 18 has also learnt that further cost cutting measures are likely to continue in the days to come.
The airline, which is reeling under severe financial crisis, has been on a retrenchment process for the past 15 days.
Network 18 has also learnt that further cost cutting measures are likely to continue in the days to come.
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Do not have any inside info, but over the last couple months, Kingfisher's fleet has come down by about 10 Aircrafts. And I guess the aftermath was the termination of 58 AME's.
But there are a lot more human beings associated to 10 airplane's other than AME's. (Go Air has a fleet of 9 Airplanes in total).
Is any one thinking what I am thinking ?
Sorry for the one's terminated.
Silent.
But there are a lot more human beings associated to 10 airplane's other than AME's. (Go Air has a fleet of 9 Airplanes in total).
Is any one thinking what I am thinking ?
Sorry for the one's terminated.
Silent.
