Flying for Lion Air
Surely a piss take, if not that is seriously sad.
I don't even think Lion Air as scary as they are will be entertaining those hours from non-Indonesians (even if you pay for everything).
Now thats just gold - we're all screwed.
i am just hoping to build up some hrs on the jets, as of now i have mere 270 hrs
will work for peanuts
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They do. (In fact, many airlines do it as long as the student can prove they're up to standard.)
himz_falcon, why don't you ask around in Phoenix? I'm pretty sure that atleast some folks overthere can tell you more.
himz_falcon, why don't you ask around in Phoenix? I'm pretty sure that atleast some folks overthere can tell you more.
They do. (In fact, many airlines do it as long as the student can prove they're up to standard.)
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Anybody have any contact info for the CAE/Lion air program or the CAE/Air Asia program? I got 900 TT and Jet time, but I Haven't gotten any response from CAE. Please help. I think most people don't understand, that if you get 500 hours on type, it won't matter that you paid for the program!
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CaptWuff, I'm afraid that if you're not a CAE global academy student, chances are nil to get in. The contacts responsible at CAE don't respond because they simply can't. They're swamped with emails etc.
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If you're wanting to buy hours and a type rating, why don't you try some of those places that advertised on pprune, like this one?
Eagle Jet International, Inc.
There's also another one I saw in the banner adds last week.
Has anyone tried such programs? Seems a little far fetched to me. Call me a traditionalist!
Eagle Jet International, Inc.
There's also another one I saw in the banner adds last week.
Has anyone tried such programs? Seems a little far fetched to me. Call me a traditionalist!
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Just FYI a FAA B737 typerating is not series specific. Does not matter if you take it in a 100 or 900, would say the same on your license.....B737. Only thing you would need coming from a round dial B737 is a differences Course, they are cheap and involves some few hours of classroom study.
So what they are charging you to do it in a NG sim is a waste, same rating. But Hey its your money...I guess CAE makes some cash on this pay for training job schemes
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So what they are charging you to do it in a NG sim is a waste, same rating. But Hey its your money...I guess CAE makes some cash on this pay for training job schemes
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A comparison:
eaglejet: Typerating 737NG + 300h = 28.000E
lionair: Typerating 737NG + 1500h = 0E
Ofcourse you can work in a different job after half a year eaglejet experience, thus the difference is smaller, but you won't be current anymore and have a LOT less hours.
eaglejet: Typerating 737NG + 300h = 28.000E
lionair: Typerating 737NG + 1500h = 0E
Ofcourse you can work in a different job after half a year eaglejet experience, thus the difference is smaller, but you won't be current anymore and have a LOT less hours.
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You do get payed while working at lionair, that is not the case at eaglejet. The wages for starting first officers have recently been doubled which means that after two years the net result is approximately zero.
CaptWUFF, lionair does not fly 320´s, thus getting that rating won´t help here. I can give specific info but do need specific questions first.
CaptWUFF, lionair does not fly 320´s, thus getting that rating won´t help here. I can give specific info but do need specific questions first.
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Guys
I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone. Me, and everyone else, once was a low timer. But I still believe that if you have 900 hours TT you really should be looking at Instructing at a local school; Get some multi-engine students and build your experience that way. It is not even fair for the pilot on your left to have a 900 hr guy on the right seat with paying passengers and their families in the back. I say that with all due respect to all low timers out there. Be reasonable, guys.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone. Me, and everyone else, once was a low timer. But I still believe that if you have 900 hours TT you really should be looking at Instructing at a local school; Get some multi-engine students and build your experience that way. It is not even fair for the pilot on your left to have a 900 hr guy on the right seat with paying passengers and their families in the back. I say that with all due respect to all low timers out there. Be reasonable, guys.
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My friend himz_falcon
With 200hrs+ TT you really should not even think about jets and Type Ratings. You need to think about a more complex Cessna to fly, with retractable landing gear, adjustable pitch propeller and the sorts. You can't be too far ahead of your experience. It takes time to get it. When you come to around 2,000 to 3,000 hours, then a Type Rating might be more appropriate after you get yout ATPL.
Happy flights!
With 200hrs+ TT you really should not even think about jets and Type Ratings. You need to think about a more complex Cessna to fly, with retractable landing gear, adjustable pitch propeller and the sorts. You can't be too far ahead of your experience. It takes time to get it. When you come to around 2,000 to 3,000 hours, then a Type Rating might be more appropriate after you get yout ATPL.
Happy flights!
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I had exactly 200 hrs TT out of flying school, joined airline on 737 flying 150 people everyday during training, and adjusted just fine, hundreds/thusands more are like me.
SQ puts their cadets on learjet for training, then straight for 777 flying 300 people.
So why feel so insecure having very low time fo on your right? afraid if u cant monitor him/her? with so high hours i m sure thats not even a prob.
SQ puts their cadets on learjet for training, then straight for 777 flying 300 people.
So why feel so insecure having very low time fo on your right? afraid if u cant monitor him/her? with so high hours i m sure thats not even a prob.
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BoeingDriverUSA thanks for the support....
Yeah, so what you are saying is that if I can get a job flight instructing rather then on a jet...i should take the flight instructing?
Listen, I'm looking for anything with wings to fly right now. THe opportunity is not there. I got hired on a jet with 400 hours, and I did pretty well until the company sold the a/c. So, I'm of course going to be searching to get back on a jet, but I'll take what I can get.
It really makes me mad when high time guys come and bash low time guys because they got on a jet with low time. I'm glad I'm NOT sitting next to you in the cockpit. You'd be the guy that says " sit there and be quiet".
To all the low timers: Don't let guys like this discourage you. If you can get time on a jet, take it! Look to get on a jet as fast as possible too.
Yeah, so what you are saying is that if I can get a job flight instructing rather then on a jet...i should take the flight instructing?
Listen, I'm looking for anything with wings to fly right now. THe opportunity is not there. I got hired on a jet with 400 hours, and I did pretty well until the company sold the a/c. So, I'm of course going to be searching to get back on a jet, but I'll take what I can get.
It really makes me mad when high time guys come and bash low time guys because they got on a jet with low time. I'm glad I'm NOT sitting next to you in the cockpit. You'd be the guy that says " sit there and be quiet".
To all the low timers: Don't let guys like this discourage you. If you can get time on a jet, take it! Look to get on a jet as fast as possible too.
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In no way, shape or form I bashed you for being a low time pilot. You might need to read what I said carefully next time so you don't distort what's been said. My question to you would be with your total flight experience, flying passenger in the back, how would you handle a Captain who can't figure out how long he can stay in a holding pattern; who chooses a bad airport to divert, or simply decides to land with a strong tail wind because he feels comfortable. Can you take the controls and make all these decisions if he becomes incapacitaded with your 900 flying hours? I know you can't! I once was 900 hours myself and with that much time I was teaching private pilots how to fly and I learned a lot about aviation that way.
Cheers
In no way, shape or form I bashed you for being a low time pilot. You might need to read what I said carefully next time so you don't distort what's been said. My question to you would be with your total flight experience, flying passenger in the back, how would you handle a Captain who can't figure out how long he can stay in a holding pattern; who chooses a bad airport to divert, or simply decides to land with a strong tail wind because he feels comfortable. Can you take the controls and make all these decisions if he becomes incapacitaded with your 900 flying hours? I know you can't! I once was 900 hours myself and with that much time I was teaching private pilots how to fly and I learned a lot about aviation that way.
Cheers
Good advice BoeingDriverUSA
Boy boys boys. It's easy to see what BoeingDriverUSA is saying. Learn your craft, do some type of apprenticeship to become an old and good pilot.
You need to make every post a winner
Apply for ALL the jobs you can and if you get a Cessna job, take it! If you have a choice, take the one that helps your career the best. But apply for all the jobs that you can.
Some of the best jobs in North America I would think, are in Canada flying in and out of the bush. That's how we do it in Oz
By all means, if you have the opportunity for what seems a better job, then take it.
My career has taken me from piston bangers around the bush in Oz to flying Jets around the world. In Oz (due to the way things are), I have been blessed (I'm not a bible basher, just lucky!) to have flown in many different types of aircraft and situations.
These days, I have a reasonable grasp on the things around me..... the weather, my work mates (matettes
), aircraft etc. I think that BoeingDriverUSA was trying to alert you guys to other things that do go on 
.
My missus is from East Java. We had some news when we were there once, about a Guarda flight into Central Java. The Skipper tried to land his Jet aircraft at around 60 kts more than Vapp, into a relatively short strip for a Jet. I am sure that most could find info on this disaster. A Go Around would have averted disaster, and a lot of people would have lived another day.
Be careful for what you want guys, as you may get it
All the very best to everyone and I hope that you make good career choices
You need to make every post a winner
Apply for ALL the jobs you can and if you get a Cessna job, take it! If you have a choice, take the one that helps your career the best. But apply for all the jobs that you can. Some of the best jobs in North America I would think, are in Canada flying in and out of the bush. That's how we do it in Oz
By all means, if you have the opportunity for what seems a better job, then take it.My career has taken me from piston bangers around the bush in Oz to flying Jets around the world. In Oz (due to the way things are), I have been blessed (I'm not a bible basher, just lucky!
) to have flown in many different types of aircraft and situations.These days, I have a reasonable grasp on the things around me..... the weather, my work mates (matettes
), aircraft etc. I think that BoeingDriverUSA was trying to alert you guys to other things that do go on .My missus is from East Java. We had some news when we were there once, about a Guarda flight into Central Java. The Skipper tried to land his Jet aircraft at around 60 kts more than Vapp, into a relatively short strip for a Jet. I am sure that most could find info on this disaster. A Go Around would have averted disaster, and a lot of people would have lived another day.
Be careful for what you want guys, as you may get it
All the very best to everyone and I hope that you make good career choices
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So pmmartin, did ya get the job or not? Don't see any new posts from you since doing so well on your evaluation. What's the story?
IMHO...Everyone with 200 hours DESERVES a jet job.
IMHO...Everyone with 200 hours DESERVES a jet job.
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Cpt.Wuff and others,
no matter how low your time is, if they invite you .. go compete!
17 years ago, I went from flying school to glass cockpit, I got the same 15 sessions and less than 200 hr to qualify, just like pilots who were not abinitio.
no matter how low your time is, if they invite you .. go compete!
17 years ago, I went from flying school to glass cockpit, I got the same 15 sessions and less than 200 hr to qualify, just like pilots who were not abinitio.