Too Young?

[betpump5]

Minimum Requirements

All Second Officer applicants must meet the following minimum requirements:

An ICAO Airline Transport Pilot*s License (ATPL) (obtained without exemptions) or ICAO Commercial Pilot*s License (CPL) (obtained without exemptions) with passes in all ATPL ground examinations
A Valid Multi-Engine Instrument Rating
A minimum of 1000 hours fixed wing (preference will be given to applicants with turbine or multi-engine experience)
Experience commensurate with age
A current Class One Medical
Fluent spoken & written English

[gengis]

Singapore Airlines won't include more than 350 hrs into the TT count for airplane types <5,700 kg (12,500 lbs). So out of that 8000+ hours, all that Cessna & Baron time would count as only 350 hrs.

And S/O time wouldn't be counted either.

So it's highly unlikely they'll look at you.

[Silver Spur]

This guy looks more unrealistic than impressive to me. My brother in law had his command on B732 at the age of 24, but he had only had like 3100 HRS, which is totally realistic.... NoT 8000TT at 25......

[Sky Dancer]

Congratulations on a remarkable career.Personally I don't think you should have a problem getting into an airline as there are a few Captains who are relatively young in Asian carriers.Best of luck

[I Love Midex]

2. I started flying at 15 and got the certificate about a day after I turned 16 to solo, had a neighbor who owned his own Cessna doing little contract mini-cargo runs and went with him every chance I got. We did 50+ hours a month together for over two years and I had 1,343 hours by the time I graduated high school.

Not that I really care about this, but I am bored and curious:

You got your license in the U.S. or somewhere else? If it was in the U.S., the minimum age for a Private Pilot certificate is 17. The minimum age for a Commercial Pilot certificate is 18. Let's say you were somehow 17 when you started flying with your neighbor (though you imply you were 16). Your neighbor had a plane doing "little contract mini-cargo runs," implying that he was being paid to fly, implying the need for a Part 135 certificate, implying that to log any of the time doing the actual 135 flying (if your hands were on the controls OR if you were acting as a SIC) you would have to have a Commercial Pilot certificate and be checked out and approved on your neighbor's certificate.

You flew 50 hours a month with him, you say. Were you both logging the time in a single engine plane during the flights, and if so, how? If, rather, you actually flew with him 100 hours a month and only actually flew the plane on the empty legs (part 91), and you were only able to log 50 hours a month that way, how did you log it? If you were 16, you weren't old enough to log it as PIC, since you were not old enough to hold a Private Pilot certificate. You also could not log it as solo, since you obviously were not the only one in the plane. And solo is not the same as PIC anyway. If your neighbor happened to be a flight instructor as well, you could log the time (only the Part 91 time) as dual and not PIC. That would mean that you flew 100 hours a month with your neighbor, since you couldn't log the entire flight time (the paid, Part 135 portion), only the empty legs. When did you have time to go to school or do anything else, since flying 100 hours a month is obviously a full time job?

If you were in fact 17 when you flew with your neighbor (implying that you had your PPL), you still couldn't log any legs which were Part 135, since you weren't 18 yet and thus not able to hold a CPL. So you still would have had to be flying 100 hours a month and only logging the Part 91 legs (50 hours a month), IF you were the sole manipulator of the controls.

Let's not even talk about the Part 135 minimum pilot experience requirements (IFR or VFR) once you WERE 18, which would also imply that you were checked out and put on your neighbor's Air Taxi certificate, if he had one.

Do you see how questions are raised here?

[betpump5]

I Love Midex,

I was actually going to write something along those lines - pointing out that you actually need to be 17 to have a PPL and how the hell did he log the hours because if all of this is true, then what he has actually done is illegal - along with his "neighbour who flies packages around"!!!!

However I decided that the only thing that needed to be quoted was the fact that he did not need a CPL to be a relief pilot on a 747! I almost died at that point by laughing too much.

This clown is a First Class moron - along with SkyDancer, Gengis, and figuroF8 who believed him.

[gengis]

Excuse me, Betpump, I did not believe him, thank you.

I was just trying to be a little more diplomatic in the way i replied.

[744Cap]

Oh my goodness...

It always amazes me the incredible energy people on pprune will expend to insult individuals they don't even know.

I actually am interested (if people can give serious answers!): What is the youngest 747 PIC you've seen, whether cargo or passenger? I have met a 29yo CN on cargo but not sure I've seen anyone under 34-36 on the 744 passenger side.

[Silver Spur]

PPRuNe = Professional Pilots Rumour Network.

UpEarly,

This forum is for aviators or aviation enthusiasts to discuss REALISTIC issue. I'm afraid your story fits to the kind of "Alice in Wonder Land" instead of this forum.

SS

[LarryDCableGuy]

I am happy with your achievements but DO NOT apply with KAL because I don't want to fly with a maverick like you.
I am curios, you said you became a PIC at age 23, don't you need to be 25 to get the ATP in the US?

[411A]

...don't you need to be 25 to get the ATP in the US?

Negative, age 23.
I think the original poster was a tad....optimistic, shall we say, about his prior expereince.
At one time, long ago, I personally was the youngest expat Captain at SQ, on the B707, at age 28.
The CAA there checked very carefully on my experience, telexes to the various companies, DGCA's etc.

[MexCrew]

to B744CAP.....
_________________________________________________

I joined my present 'Cargo' outfit as DEC on B744ERF at age 35.
No previous heavy experience but lots of B738 PIC time, ICAO and JAR OPS.

An extremely lucky bugger in the right place at the right time!! =)

2 years on, I have clocked just over 1,000 hrs on type and loving every minute of it!!

Happy contrails.

Cheers!!

[Sky Dancer]

Ahem....I hope you did note the touch of sarcasm in my post...I guess I did not put that across very well...

[mannymux]

The guy only asked what his chances were? Whether I believe him or not, I won't spend all the time and energy to calculate his hours. Just answer the question if you know the answer. Geez!!!! Why are some of you guys bashing this guy? Who really cares?

[TWN PPL]

DEC on B744ERF

No previous heavy experience

Is it Jade in the early days?

[CDRW]

Wow - what a good read!!! How different from all the other posts!!! Got a few people scratching their heads tho!!

UpEarly - good bloody luck. I think you just might be genuine, but for sure if you going to have a go for a job in Asia, make damn sure your hours and experience are water tight.

Would love to see the looks on some of the old custy local captains, when they read that resume!

PM if you wish!

[point8six]

Youngest Captain I trained for the B744F was 29yrs old - he was very good and had previous A300F command experience.
I'm guessing that nowadays the youngest Captain in SIA would be about 35 yrs old.

[OLVpilot]

Again, the obvious problem with this story is not the ability to obtain the hours stated in such little time, but rather the inability to legally log this flight time. The majority of the time he said he had flown is unloggable. Any half-intelligent FAA CFI can recognize that.

So my question, now that we've established that this story is fabricated, why would any lie to a bunch of people on the internet about how great they are? Seems weird.

[CDRW]

Well OLV I dont think that the guy is actually bragging about great he is! To us it just seem to good to be true . As long as there are no Parker51 hours then and hours and hour!! Many cargo operators flew way beyond "legal" limits in terms of monthly and yearly hours - they kept crashing in spectacular fashion every few years tho!!

As I said before - Good luck.

[rjslim]

This guy is funny. I youst to do interviews for my old regional and would love to interview a guy like him. I would laugh in his face just before I kicked his a$$ out of the interview. What a joke.