Zest Airways MA60 crash landing in Caticlan - Boracay?
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I think she means the Yun-7 has winglets, maybe she should have wrote .....you can tell its a yun 7 becasue of the winglets. The Yun 7 is the Chinese version of the An-26, and the MA-60 is based on the Yun-7.....
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Was the crew involved in the crash in Caticlan in a party the night before the accident? Rumours have it that there are some recordings about a party on CVR. Any truth to that?
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accident investigation
i haven't been online in the last few days and i am surprissed to see that until today no initial findings on that accident has come out at all except some rumours with pilots attending parties till the morning comes.
is the philippine caa able and willing to conduct a proper aircraft accident investigation or is it a hush-hush job (similiar as in thailand's accident investigations) to protect the airline and its owner and to cover up that caa has authorized a non-certified (by faa and easa standards) aircraft to operate into the airport.
i sincerely doubt that the philippine authorities will admit that they have made a mistake in certifying the MA60 for this type of operation and that the real root cause of this accident is their own certification.
if the philippines ever waant to get out of the faa cat. 2 status and not be included in the easa blacklist they need to be factual and also admit that they made a mistake in certifying these type of operation for the MA60.
you guys over there are being watched how this investigation is being handled and how your authorities are doing their investigation job. another white wash like the one2go incident in kho phuket could be the missing nail in the coffin for an easa blacklist.
Good luck to all of you and specially to the investigators.
is the philippine caa able and willing to conduct a proper aircraft accident investigation or is it a hush-hush job (similiar as in thailand's accident investigations) to protect the airline and its owner and to cover up that caa has authorized a non-certified (by faa and easa standards) aircraft to operate into the airport.
i sincerely doubt that the philippine authorities will admit that they have made a mistake in certifying the MA60 for this type of operation and that the real root cause of this accident is their own certification.
if the philippines ever waant to get out of the faa cat. 2 status and not be included in the easa blacklist they need to be factual and also admit that they made a mistake in certifying these type of operation for the MA60.
you guys over there are being watched how this investigation is being handled and how your authorities are doing their investigation job. another white wash like the one2go incident in kho phuket could be the missing nail in the coffin for an easa blacklist.
Good luck to all of you and specially to the investigators.
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Maybe ZestAir can claim their free plane from China?
Somebody should give them also a gift certificate for one more plane for free:
MA-60 buy two get one free - Nepali Times
Is that true?
MA-60 buy two get one free - Nepali Times
MA-60 buy two get one free
The government is negotiating with the Chinese aircraft manufacturer, Xi'an Aircraft Industry Group Co, for a buy-two-get-one-free deal to supply two twin engine turboprops for Royal Nepal Airlines. The Royal Nepali Army will get one of the planes for free.
The aircraft is a 56-seater derivative of the original Soviet Antonov An-24 and has upgraded Pratt & Whitney engines and Rockwell avionics. At $11 million apiece it has been exported to Zimbabwe, Fiji, Eritrea and Congo. Although not very popular among pilots, airlines find the aircraft cheap and useful for rough airfields.
Sources at Royal Nepal Airlines aren't too happy with the new aircraft and say they would have preferred more modern turboprops like ATR-72s or SAAB 340 which have a proven record of service on domestic routes like Pokhara, Biratnagar, Bhairawa and Nepalganj. "It's the government deciding, and it looks like they can't resist getting one free plane for the army," one airline official told us.
The MA60 doesn't yet have UK or US FAA certification and has been decommissioned from service by China's own Wuhan Airlines and China Eastern Airlines.
The government is negotiating with the Chinese aircraft manufacturer, Xi'an Aircraft Industry Group Co, for a buy-two-get-one-free deal to supply two twin engine turboprops for Royal Nepal Airlines. The Royal Nepali Army will get one of the planes for free.
The aircraft is a 56-seater derivative of the original Soviet Antonov An-24 and has upgraded Pratt & Whitney engines and Rockwell avionics. At $11 million apiece it has been exported to Zimbabwe, Fiji, Eritrea and Congo. Although not very popular among pilots, airlines find the aircraft cheap and useful for rough airfields.
Sources at Royal Nepal Airlines aren't too happy with the new aircraft and say they would have preferred more modern turboprops like ATR-72s or SAAB 340 which have a proven record of service on domestic routes like Pokhara, Biratnagar, Bhairawa and Nepalganj. "It's the government deciding, and it looks like they can't resist getting one free plane for the army," one airline official told us.
The MA60 doesn't yet have UK or US FAA certification and has been decommissioned from service by China's own Wuhan Airlines and China Eastern Airlines.
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There are filipino expat A320 pilots from India( Indigo and Air Deccan)who have just recently joined Zest Air. These are former Cebu Pac and PAL pilots. They should be able to lend good professional airline operations expertise to this airline. Why they are not joining ETIHAD is of no concern to me. I wish them and the airline success and safe flying always.
After the strike of 1998, I was one of the lucky ones who was able to find employment in another airline. Some I know actually flew aerial spraying in Mindanao. Not all pilots can afford to buy their own airplane or as lucky. They need to earn a livelihood, that's for sure. Airline companies provide these opportunities. If you want to improve the airline, you should make yourself a part of it.
After the strike of 1998, I was one of the lucky ones who was able to find employment in another airline. Some I know actually flew aerial spraying in Mindanao. Not all pilots can afford to buy their own airplane or as lucky. They need to earn a livelihood, that's for sure. Airline companies provide these opportunities. If you want to improve the airline, you should make yourself a part of it.
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What's the use of good pilots if the management of an airline is not up to it?
They crash aircraft in Caticlan and even make it possible to crash aircraft during start up of engines. The best pilots can't accoplich anything if the senior management doesn't know what they are doing.
Do I have to say more?
They crash aircraft in Caticlan and even make it possible to crash aircraft during start up of engines. The best pilots can't accoplich anything if the senior management doesn't know what they are doing.
Do I have to say more?
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Asian Spirit / Zest to Basco
Has Asian Spirit started flying to Basco ?
I recall them flying BAe 146, the 4 jet engined jumbo-liners, one of the quite and excellent STOL airliners
The Asian Spirit site now shows "BASCO is to be reinstated". If so, what equipment would they provide ?
Does that leave SEA Air as the sole operator for this segment ?
With the DHC and MA 60, wonder what is the current dispatch rates anyway
Thanks, and please ignore if this is considered thread drift.
I recall them flying BAe 146, the 4 jet engined jumbo-liners, one of the quite and excellent STOL airliners
The Asian Spirit site now shows "BASCO is to be reinstated". If so, what equipment would they provide ?
Does that leave SEA Air as the sole operator for this segment ?
With the DHC and MA 60, wonder what is the current dispatch rates anyway
Thanks, and please ignore if this is considered thread drift.
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Traveling to Boracay soon with wife and child, Who operates the let and the MA60, who operates DHC, ATR and Dornier. What is the runway direction and prevailing wind this time of year. What is the strip dimensions.
What is the alternative to flying in to this strip?
Thanks
What is the alternative to flying in to this strip?
Thanks
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okay airways stopped operating their ma60 because of very poor performance. a similiar action was taken by merpati. they originally ordered 15 ma60s but only accepted 2!
i seriously doubt the capability of zest air to run a successful commercial operation. as long as yao keeps this cpt. loudmouth and his goofies in the airline profits will never be made.
can anyone tell me why the 2nd a320 is still on the ground in rpll? what keeps the aircraft from flying? can yao afford all of these losses or is he simply relying on the lies of loudmouth and company that they will make money in the future when cpt loudmouth orders "his" additional aircraft?
even the airbus guys in france and singapore are already loughing about the operation in the philippines.
i seriously doubt the capability of zest air to run a successful commercial operation. as long as yao keeps this cpt. loudmouth and his goofies in the airline profits will never be made.
can anyone tell me why the 2nd a320 is still on the ground in rpll? what keeps the aircraft from flying? can yao afford all of these losses or is he simply relying on the lies of loudmouth and company that they will make money in the future when cpt loudmouth orders "his" additional aircraft?
even the airbus guys in france and singapore are already loughing about the operation in the philippines.
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Not only MA-60 Crashes...all airplanes do. Be safe!
Continental Connection Flight 3407, operated by Colgan Air, was travelling to Buffalo from Newark, New Jersey. Colgan is a unit of Pinnacle Airlines.
The 74-seat plane -- a Dash 8 Q400 turboprop made by Canada's Bombardier Inc -- lost contact with air traffic controllers and went down at about 10:20 p.m. EST on Thursday before the runway at the Buffalo airport, authorities said.
The 74-seat plane -- a Dash 8 Q400 turboprop made by Canada's Bombardier Inc -- lost contact with air traffic controllers and went down at about 10:20 p.m. EST on Thursday before the runway at the Buffalo airport, authorities said.
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Just SIM
Dear Sim. You may well find that the D8 crash was not caused by crew actions or lack of actions, but the MA60 quite possibly was. IMHO.
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Zest Air did it again!
And again in Caticlan but this time they blew their tires when they tried to stop the aircraft at the end of the runway in order not to overshoot again. Better blow tires than a smashed fruit juice can!
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Maybe Zest Air should be renamed into Crash Air!
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Hi guys,
yes, it was RP-C8895 that blew the tires on 13FEB, but it's flying again - as well as RP-C8894, which had the wing damage. The aircraft was still at Clark on Saturday, but flying quite lively out of Manila today. NOT seen flying today was RP-C8892.
What I found funny was that the mechanics changing the tires has "ZA" (I guess for Zest Air) and large "8893" on their black T-shirts. Now 8893 is the aircraft that crashed at MPH. Are they possibly from the part reclamation team of 8893 ?
Airbus RP-C8898 is now in operation as RP-C8988. I guess with all the 8s they got it all mixed up. Might be an indicator of the organization within the airline. Much has been said about this before.
Peeked over the wall at their compound at MNL Domestic today, and there was only one DHC-7 in Zest Air paint scheme. All the rest were in basic Asian Spirit c/s. Nothing looked very active.
yes, it was RP-C8895 that blew the tires on 13FEB, but it's flying again - as well as RP-C8894, which had the wing damage. The aircraft was still at Clark on Saturday, but flying quite lively out of Manila today. NOT seen flying today was RP-C8892.
What I found funny was that the mechanics changing the tires has "ZA" (I guess for Zest Air) and large "8893" on their black T-shirts. Now 8893 is the aircraft that crashed at MPH. Are they possibly from the part reclamation team of 8893 ?
Airbus RP-C8898 is now in operation as RP-C8988. I guess with all the 8s they got it all mixed up. Might be an indicator of the organization within the airline. Much has been said about this before.
Peeked over the wall at their compound at MNL Domestic today, and there was only one DHC-7 in Zest Air paint scheme. All the rest were in basic Asian Spirit c/s. Nothing looked very active.
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Pilot error
The type of aircraft has actually nothing to do with the accident involved in here. The bottom line is the error or the wrong decision that the PIC has made. Only he can tell what was in his mind before that crash happened. Would have it been avoided? My sources who were standing at the ramp area watched the aircraft after it made a missed approach, and on its second attempt to land they saw the aircraft trying to make a short approach (not on a standard pattern). Boy...was the pilot in a hurry or what? What I can say for now is that some pilots put a big risk on safety when they decide to do a short "combat like" approach" on an aircraft which they haven't flown that long yet (unfamiliar!!)..thus, the lesson that we may have learned is flying a standard pattern after "missed approach" or "go around procedure" would have been the best solution on that second attempt unless they have no more fuel left to do a standard pattern. And for you guys following this thread I would like to emphasize the fact that this is not an "undershot" but technically "a crash", because the aircaft plunge on a grass land far outside the fence of the Caticlan Airport perimeter fence and probably damaged its LH main landing gear and then bouncing it inside the airport's perimeter and moving further to its final position of the crash.
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the mixture is made for a disaster
once you have an airplane with a low performance mix it with a badly trained crew and blend it with mismanagement and you have a cocktail for disaster.
will zest air wait for this or will they take now drastic actions?
will zest air wait for this or will they take now drastic actions?
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Professional Loudmouth
Mr. B747-800 do you really have to sweep general statement in your posts? You keep on badmouthing on anyone you want on this forum. You keep on naming names, You even have the guts to badmouth on CAAP the higher authority in the country. Be careful on what your posting. Calling somebody you don't know unprofessional, and even calling somebody Capt. Loudmouth. Based on your posts you are no different with Capt. Loudmouth, and you act very very professional on that. if you really are a Wide Body Captain I can't imagine how your FOs and SOs think about you. I pity the crew that flies with the "feeling Capt. Perfect I know eveything"