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Hi guys!
Just got an email from parc for a screening in January09, for a A320 CPT position.
I would be very grateful for any info from someone who has been recently through it.
I've heard that the SIM is straightforward.
I went 3 years ago through the Taiwaneese medical check, which I guess should be similar to the Korean one.
What about other issues such as personal/tech interview?
Any exams for license conversion?
How long did it take from interview until joining?
What about salaries and when do they start paying? Taxes for expats (EU)?
Rostering, layovers, commuting ?
What about working enviroment?
Thanks in advance!!
Just got an email from parc for a screening in January09, for a A320 CPT position.
I would be very grateful for any info from someone who has been recently through it.
I've heard that the SIM is straightforward.
I went 3 years ago through the Taiwaneese medical check, which I guess should be similar to the Korean one.
What about other issues such as personal/tech interview?
Any exams for license conversion?
How long did it take from interview until joining?
What about salaries and when do they start paying? Taxes for expats (EU)?
Rostering, layovers, commuting ?
What about working enviroment?
Thanks in advance!!
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Asiana Interview
I've heard that the SIM is straightforward.
I went 3 years ago through the Taiwaneese medical check, which I guess should be similar to the Korean one. See below
What about other issues such as personal/tech interview? See below
Any exams for license conversion? Air Law test, English test.
How long did it take from interview until joining? 2 months
What about salaries and when do they start paying? Taxes for expats (EU)? See below
Rostering, layovers, commuting ? See below
What about working enviroment? Not bad, nice guys here.
Medical Check: 1/2 day pretty through including blood work, eyes, ears, stress test on treadmill, brain wave, ultrasound, xrays, etc.
Interview: Nothing formal, just want to make sure you and your family will live in Seoul, but you get 8 continuous days off every other month, then after 6 months you can add vacation days to the beginning or end of those days. You get 30 days of vacation/year.
Simulator: Parc or Rishworth will send you the profile. No emergencies, just RTO, engine out after V1, single engine ILS, circle to land at Pusan (RKPK).
Rostering: You will only get 8 days off a month, 75 hours flying/month. Every other month 8 consecutive days. Layovers 3-4/month. 60 destinations, mostly out and backs to China and Japan. Cool destinations in SE Asia: Manila, Siem Reap, Hanoi, Saipan.
Salary: $10,500/month includes taxes paid and a furnished apt.
PM me if you want anything else.
bjlurzjet
I went 3 years ago through the Taiwaneese medical check, which I guess should be similar to the Korean one. See below
What about other issues such as personal/tech interview? See below
Any exams for license conversion? Air Law test, English test.
How long did it take from interview until joining? 2 months
What about salaries and when do they start paying? Taxes for expats (EU)? See below
Rostering, layovers, commuting ? See below
What about working enviroment? Not bad, nice guys here.
Medical Check: 1/2 day pretty through including blood work, eyes, ears, stress test on treadmill, brain wave, ultrasound, xrays, etc.
Interview: Nothing formal, just want to make sure you and your family will live in Seoul, but you get 8 continuous days off every other month, then after 6 months you can add vacation days to the beginning or end of those days. You get 30 days of vacation/year.
Simulator: Parc or Rishworth will send you the profile. No emergencies, just RTO, engine out after V1, single engine ILS, circle to land at Pusan (RKPK).
Rostering: You will only get 8 days off a month, 75 hours flying/month. Every other month 8 consecutive days. Layovers 3-4/month. 60 destinations, mostly out and backs to China and Japan. Cool destinations in SE Asia: Manila, Siem Reap, Hanoi, Saipan.
Salary: $10,500/month includes taxes paid and a furnished apt.
PM me if you want anything else.
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be careful
It is your choice but I guess it won't be late if you decide what to do after reading this article. You should know the structure of korean companies. it is very unique system. if one company collapse, all goes down together. regently they got so called "winner's curse". they took a fish way out of thier size. it would be able to eat Kumho Asiana alive.
your choice, your decision.
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Kumho Industrial tumbles on financial loss worry
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Be aware if you join Asiana on a commuting contract. They lie to you regarding the ease of commuting. You only get 8 tickets per year, and you will commonly find flights overbooked, and unable you get home on the date you wish. Nearly every booking home you will be on the "waiting list". The whole process is far to long and painful for every flight home. You have to ring to book, then submit paperwork to get approval. Then when you get approval, you will take your reservation to ticketing, and then pay tax (it's not a "free" ticket) usually just over $100 depending on destination.
Until Asiana solve their ticketing problem, and offer commuters tickets home every month, they will always lose quality people to KA next door.KA pilots have no such issues (from what am aware) regarding geting their pilots home to their families.
The company itself is ok, but just painful getting home!
Until Asiana solve their ticketing problem, and offer commuters tickets home every month, they will always lose quality people to KA next door.KA pilots have no such issues (from what am aware) regarding geting their pilots home to their families.
The company itself is ok, but just painful getting home!
The reason I asked was because on Parc's website there is a statement that pilots can continue above age 60 so I wondered if below age 60 (rather than below 59) was now acceptable.
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Guys,
This is a temp user name for me. My regular one is known and I am afraid and fear retribution for what I write here. bjlurzjet, manincrz2937, and evyjet are right on. I have been over here in Korea for over 4 years. In late 2005 and early 2006 Asiana hired 6 Americans, 3 Australians and about 15 Brazilians for the B-777. By mid April 2010 there will be 1 American, 1 Australian and 10 or 11, I think Brazilians. A main reason for the Americans and Australian exodus is what evyjet said. All three recruiters lie to you about the PS Business seats. Asiana blocks approximately 2 seats per flight to US and OZ form PS company business passes. This is for every one in the company. Everybody except the expat pilots bid there vacations a year in advance and reserve those seats. By the time your schedule is published 10 days before the month begins, almost all the time there a no “R” seats as they call them to go home on your off days. There are more flights and seats available to Southeast Asia, so most of the expats from those countries get home with out hassles. They said and the contact states they will buy 6 off line in Business tickets, but changed that to coach in September when all three recruiters caved in. That change mainly effected the Americans and some Brazilians. The reason we are expats is because we don’t live here. After busting your butt for 21 days, a 15 hour ride in coach home is should not be part of the package. They polled all the expats several hundred. Most never used off line so didn’t care and it was only aimed at the few Americans and Brazilians.
Over age 60, don’t count on it. The wording is vague. No promises. Several years ago when pilots age 58 plus had a chance to go elsewhere to fly to 65, Asiana ask these pilots to standby. KAL had raised their age to 63 and once KAL does something Asiana does it 6 months or so later. The first four expats that reach 60 were renewed to 63. Number 5’s birth month was the same as 3 or 4 Koreans who were strikers in 2005. So to punish these ex strikers, Asiana lowered their age to 60 for that month only and the expat got caught up in Asiana politics and was not renewed. Now they say 63. They want someone who can sign a three year contract before age 60. They won’t sign you past 60. At 60, and depending on the kimchi they had that day, they may renew your contract at a reduced pay rate and no pay raises to age 63 (that is, if there are no Koreans they want to punish who have the same birth month, and are reaching 60!).
Housing, watch out. An example, they found real cheap 3BR units 3 ½ years ago in an small factory industrial area, next to the train and subway tracks for 4 Americans and one Aussy. So much pollution in the air that you could not open your windows in mild weather even on the 22-24 floors. If you did you had a black soot over everything inside. The 8th floor unit shakes when the trains go by between 0530 to 0100. Over the past three years the area has been built up and it’s a nicer place with places to eat and entertainment. When the leases are due, Asiana won’t renew them and they are looking for even cheaper places. Some with no sidewalks or near-by subway service. If you have a car that might be OK, but can you imagine dragging your luggage and flight bag down the street waiting in the mud, rain or snow for a bus to go to a subway station or an airport bus limousine stop. You get notified by a phone or a knock on your door you have to move in two weeks with no other places available.
This is a temp user name for me. My regular one is known and I am afraid and fear retribution for what I write here. bjlurzjet, manincrz2937, and evyjet are right on. I have been over here in Korea for over 4 years. In late 2005 and early 2006 Asiana hired 6 Americans, 3 Australians and about 15 Brazilians for the B-777. By mid April 2010 there will be 1 American, 1 Australian and 10 or 11, I think Brazilians. A main reason for the Americans and Australian exodus is what evyjet said. All three recruiters lie to you about the PS Business seats. Asiana blocks approximately 2 seats per flight to US and OZ form PS company business passes. This is for every one in the company. Everybody except the expat pilots bid there vacations a year in advance and reserve those seats. By the time your schedule is published 10 days before the month begins, almost all the time there a no “R” seats as they call them to go home on your off days. There are more flights and seats available to Southeast Asia, so most of the expats from those countries get home with out hassles. They said and the contact states they will buy 6 off line in Business tickets, but changed that to coach in September when all three recruiters caved in. That change mainly effected the Americans and some Brazilians. The reason we are expats is because we don’t live here. After busting your butt for 21 days, a 15 hour ride in coach home is should not be part of the package. They polled all the expats several hundred. Most never used off line so didn’t care and it was only aimed at the few Americans and Brazilians.
Over age 60, don’t count on it. The wording is vague. No promises. Several years ago when pilots age 58 plus had a chance to go elsewhere to fly to 65, Asiana ask these pilots to standby. KAL had raised their age to 63 and once KAL does something Asiana does it 6 months or so later. The first four expats that reach 60 were renewed to 63. Number 5’s birth month was the same as 3 or 4 Koreans who were strikers in 2005. So to punish these ex strikers, Asiana lowered their age to 60 for that month only and the expat got caught up in Asiana politics and was not renewed. Now they say 63. They want someone who can sign a three year contract before age 60. They won’t sign you past 60. At 60, and depending on the kimchi they had that day, they may renew your contract at a reduced pay rate and no pay raises to age 63 (that is, if there are no Koreans they want to punish who have the same birth month, and are reaching 60!).
Housing, watch out. An example, they found real cheap 3BR units 3 ½ years ago in an small factory industrial area, next to the train and subway tracks for 4 Americans and one Aussy. So much pollution in the air that you could not open your windows in mild weather even on the 22-24 floors. If you did you had a black soot over everything inside. The 8th floor unit shakes when the trains go by between 0530 to 0100. Over the past three years the area has been built up and it’s a nicer place with places to eat and entertainment. When the leases are due, Asiana won’t renew them and they are looking for even cheaper places. Some with no sidewalks or near-by subway service. If you have a car that might be OK, but can you imagine dragging your luggage and flight bag down the street waiting in the mud, rain or snow for a bus to go to a subway station or an airport bus limousine stop. You get notified by a phone or a knock on your door you have to move in two weeks with no other places available.
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I was one of the original American expats at Asiana, and can confirm it was extremely hard to get back and forth from home on days off/vacation. Just as described above - there were never any available seats even though the contract clearly stated positive space.
Contracts in Korea are one way. Recruiting agencies only pass on complaints about contractual abuses, but don't do anything more.
I posted the following under the Korean Air Expat Contract string in this section:
Asiana Airlines has been overly aggressive at docking pay for missed flights due to illness (no sick leave) or transportation problems after vacations – including docking the already scheduled successive and intervening days off. Put another way, they not only deduct for the lost flight time, but deduct the scheduled days off after the missed flight until the next flight flown. Contractual issues have been a problem with both Asiana and the airline service agencies. 6 Positive Space tickets on the Asiana system were part of the contract, but it turned out to be space available unless expat employees could compete with ALL Asiana employees on up to two seats per airplane a year in advance for reservations. That proved impossible, especially with flying schedules that often were unilaterally made and changed by Asiana. Parc Aviation and World Airline Services agencies have talked about resolving such issues, but nothing has ever been done.
From January 2006 until July 2007 I was an Asiana B-777 foreign Captain based in Seoul. Asiana improperly terminated my contract 7 months before I was to turn age 60, and incorrectly attributed the termination for a cured medical condition even though I was declared ready to return to work from a granted medical leave of absence. Asiana repeatedly asked about my expected return date and physical condition during this 6 week leave which was dutifully provided by me and my doctor. Only after I was medically cleared to return to duty did Asiana decide reinstatement was not worth the remaining time on my contract with an overdue 6 month recurrent training. The contractual 60 days notice of termination with pay was denied, as well as my request for transportation to collect belongings still in Seoul. I went on my own, and several middle management personnel apologized for the bad decision and treatment.
World Airline Services (W.A.S.) was my agent collecting monthly commissions, and they didn’t attempt to resolve this issue. W.A.S. also was 6 months late in sending contractually included medical insurance information after many requests both in 2006 and 2007. Contractually there was no deductible for such medical insurance, but in 2007 they unilaterally applied a $650 deductible. Beware of these pimp agencies once you are hired - they aren’t interested in you or your contract once they get on the commission bandwagon.
This isn’t sour grapes – I was not going to renew my contract even if age 60 were to be increased – enough of expat flying for me, although I left behind some good friends. It was no big deal leaving 7 months early, but thought this might help those looking at this job – caveat emptor.
P.S. My sign-in name is from a now invalid email address.
Contracts in Korea are one way. Recruiting agencies only pass on complaints about contractual abuses, but don't do anything more.
I posted the following under the Korean Air Expat Contract string in this section:
Asiana Airlines has been overly aggressive at docking pay for missed flights due to illness (no sick leave) or transportation problems after vacations – including docking the already scheduled successive and intervening days off. Put another way, they not only deduct for the lost flight time, but deduct the scheduled days off after the missed flight until the next flight flown. Contractual issues have been a problem with both Asiana and the airline service agencies. 6 Positive Space tickets on the Asiana system were part of the contract, but it turned out to be space available unless expat employees could compete with ALL Asiana employees on up to two seats per airplane a year in advance for reservations. That proved impossible, especially with flying schedules that often were unilaterally made and changed by Asiana. Parc Aviation and World Airline Services agencies have talked about resolving such issues, but nothing has ever been done.
From January 2006 until July 2007 I was an Asiana B-777 foreign Captain based in Seoul. Asiana improperly terminated my contract 7 months before I was to turn age 60, and incorrectly attributed the termination for a cured medical condition even though I was declared ready to return to work from a granted medical leave of absence. Asiana repeatedly asked about my expected return date and physical condition during this 6 week leave which was dutifully provided by me and my doctor. Only after I was medically cleared to return to duty did Asiana decide reinstatement was not worth the remaining time on my contract with an overdue 6 month recurrent training. The contractual 60 days notice of termination with pay was denied, as well as my request for transportation to collect belongings still in Seoul. I went on my own, and several middle management personnel apologized for the bad decision and treatment.
World Airline Services (W.A.S.) was my agent collecting monthly commissions, and they didn’t attempt to resolve this issue. W.A.S. also was 6 months late in sending contractually included medical insurance information after many requests both in 2006 and 2007. Contractually there was no deductible for such medical insurance, but in 2007 they unilaterally applied a $650 deductible. Beware of these pimp agencies once you are hired - they aren’t interested in you or your contract once they get on the commission bandwagon.
This isn’t sour grapes – I was not going to renew my contract even if age 60 were to be increased – enough of expat flying for me, although I left behind some good friends. It was no big deal leaving 7 months early, but thought this might help those looking at this job – caveat emptor.
P.S. My sign-in name is from a now invalid email address.
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Asiana incident - Paris
A little off topic, but here you go:
DATE: 22.01.2010 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Paris-CDG Intl AP (LFPG) COUNTRY: France
AIRLINE: Asiana Airlines
(order an Airline Safety Check here) TYPE: Boeing 777-200 REGISTRATION: HL7597 C/N: 28686 AGE: 8 y + 5 m
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: OV 502 FROM: Paris-CDG TO: Seoul-ICN VIA: -
OCCUPANTS:
PAX: - CREW: -
FATALITIES:
PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES:
PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
During taxy for the departure runway at Charles de Gaulle international Airport, the right mai gear ran off the paved surface of the taxyway and became buried in mud. The flight was cancelled. Damage appeares to be light.
DATE: 22.01.2010 LOCAL TIME: - LOCATION: Paris-CDG Intl AP (LFPG) COUNTRY: France
AIRLINE: Asiana Airlines
(order an Airline Safety Check here) TYPE: Boeing 777-200 REGISTRATION: HL7597 C/N: 28686 AGE: 8 y + 5 m
OPERATION: ISP FLIGHT No.: OV 502 FROM: Paris-CDG TO: Seoul-ICN VIA: -
OCCUPANTS:
PAX: - CREW: -
FATALITIES:
PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
INJURIES:
PAX: 0 CREW: 0 OTHER: 0
DAMAGE TO AIRCRAFT: minor
During taxy for the departure runway at Charles de Gaulle international Airport, the right mai gear ran off the paved surface of the taxyway and became buried in mud. The flight was cancelled. Damage appeares to be light.
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Do you want to be here???
Your question has been on here for a long time. I am surprised that you have had no answer. Your recruiter will give you the gouge. When you first start you will have loyalty to your recruiter. Get over it ASAP. My pecking order for recruiters is PARC, Rishworth, and never WAS. They will love you and dump you after you sign their contract. You are no different to them than a whore in BKK, HKG, SGN PVG, PEK or any where else in Asia. Don't count on any support, but lip service!! Just my experience over here. As Denis said "Let the Buyer beware".
This is no difference from KAL or OZ.
This is no difference from KAL or OZ.