Female pilots at Air Vietnam
Female pilots at Air Vietnam
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There is no "Air Vietnam" anymore. Between 1951 and 1975 a south Vietnamese carrier with that name was operating and by the way many, many Americans where employed with them too.
I guess you mean "Vietnam Airlines", right?
I guess you mean "Vietnam Airlines", right?
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Yes and all the information you will ever need will be found here:http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...fo-please.html
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Female Pilots in Asia
Why do you choose Asia as a Female? Do you want to change the World? Except in India you can count the Fingers you have on both hands and you have less Female Pilots in that region in one Airline. Command? difficult to achieve there. It is a Male dominated society in Key positions in most of the Company´s there. Just research a little more before you go that path. On the other side you might not even get a response to your application, another way of letting you know "We are not interested".....
Females have the same position as Males and get paid less and promotion is slower then that of Males. I have seen that in the Cockpit as well as in the Cabin. It allways amazed me how fast Male-FA´s got Pursers and how slow Female-FA´s got promotet until they have the same Rank and Wage. It is still nice to have a pretty young female in the Cabin in Asia. Needless to say that I rather like to work with the over 35 year old ones who fly about 10 and more years then the Barbie-Doll like 22 Year young Kid who cannot handle herself, how can she handle a bunch of Pax who tend to become vocal and tell them to behaive and "shut up, sit down and be quiet?".....90 seconds to survive is something they have not adopet to as well.
Emirates, Quatar and Etihad I guess are more open minded then Far-East and South-East Asia. Just look a little more into it and then you may find what you want: Flying Airplanes and no hassle....
Fly safe and land happy
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Females have the same position as Males and get paid less and promotion is slower then that of Males. I have seen that in the Cockpit as well as in the Cabin. It allways amazed me how fast Male-FA´s got Pursers and how slow Female-FA´s got promotet until they have the same Rank and Wage. It is still nice to have a pretty young female in the Cabin in Asia. Needless to say that I rather like to work with the over 35 year old ones who fly about 10 and more years then the Barbie-Doll like 22 Year young Kid who cannot handle herself, how can she handle a bunch of Pax who tend to become vocal and tell them to behaive and "shut up, sit down and be quiet?".....90 seconds to survive is something they have not adopet to as well.
Emirates, Quatar and Etihad I guess are more open minded then Far-East and South-East Asia. Just look a little more into it and then you may find what you want: Flying Airplanes and no hassle....
Fly safe and land happy
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B737NG, no disrespect but with reference to the contractors in Vietnam, the airline treats women as equals, indeed one of the most powerful influences in the Airbus fleet is female. 
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Puh, I cannot imagine how to have a happy life in Arab as a female. Maybe working is quite okay in any of these companies, I don't know. Maybe money is quite okay.
But what about the life outside of a cockpit? What do you do in you private time?
Okay, tell me I should shut my mouth because I did't work there and I don't know by myself. But I have several ex-colleagues who went there (Emirates, Etihad, Qatar...), they were all male. They miss the way of life they could have in Europe or even in Asia. And there are some who were treated not very orthodox. They did't come via any agency but their working contract changed as the wheather in Europe. And when they complained about it, they were told that they just can leave whenever they want to. At least that's what I was told, and it was told by people I know by myself and I trust them.
I don't want to blacken the picture of life over there and I am sure there are a lot of people (pilots) who are lucky to be there and they are happy. But you have to think twice. For myself I would consider these companies only as a last solution.
For myself I have spent overnights in Arab cities and our female crew members could not leave the hotel without wearing these whole-body-covers. They were spit on the streets because one could see blond-coloured hair out of the head-cover.
Is it the way of life you would suggest for the female captain applicant?
And I have spent overnights in Asian cities where everyone could move without any disturbances. I learned people from south Asian countries as open minded and warmly people.
The problem with male dominated companies is true and is wide spread. You have it even in Europe. I once worked for a European company where only two female pilots were employed. Not very sophisticated, is it? But these two female pilots didn't have any problems, they felt comfortable there. Maybe it is just a lack of applications of female pilots. But this is a social and educational problem - not of the airline environment.
As a female I would always choose Arab companies as the very last.
But what about the life outside of a cockpit? What do you do in you private time?
Okay, tell me I should shut my mouth because I did't work there and I don't know by myself. But I have several ex-colleagues who went there (Emirates, Etihad, Qatar...), they were all male. They miss the way of life they could have in Europe or even in Asia. And there are some who were treated not very orthodox. They did't come via any agency but their working contract changed as the wheather in Europe. And when they complained about it, they were told that they just can leave whenever they want to. At least that's what I was told, and it was told by people I know by myself and I trust them.
I don't want to blacken the picture of life over there and I am sure there are a lot of people (pilots) who are lucky to be there and they are happy. But you have to think twice. For myself I would consider these companies only as a last solution.
For myself I have spent overnights in Arab cities and our female crew members could not leave the hotel without wearing these whole-body-covers. They were spit on the streets because one could see blond-coloured hair out of the head-cover.
Is it the way of life you would suggest for the female captain applicant?
And I have spent overnights in Asian cities where everyone could move without any disturbances. I learned people from south Asian countries as open minded and warmly people.
The problem with male dominated companies is true and is wide spread. You have it even in Europe. I once worked for a European company where only two female pilots were employed. Not very sophisticated, is it? But these two female pilots didn't have any problems, they felt comfortable there. Maybe it is just a lack of applications of female pilots. But this is a social and educational problem - not of the airline environment.
As a female I would always choose Arab companies as the very last.
You obviously know nothing about the lifestyle of females in the ME.
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I worked 2 Years in ME and 8 Years in Far-East, SouthEast Asia and India. I seen things with my own Eyes not only form a overnight or vaccation at the Beach. That is not sufficient evidence... I guess.
Fly safe and land happy
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Thank you for all of your responses which I have read with great interest. As for trying to change the world by considering Asia....absolutely not, that would indeed be a futile undertaking.
To a degree I can judge what it means to work in very male dominated environment as I am currently contracting for an airline where there are all of two females, both of us captains but I am the only expat. While my presence was certainly unusual, I have been very well received and, so far, I have very much enjoyed working with all of my colleagues.
As was mentioned, any airline that I apply to will let me know if they are interested by responding and, if not, there will be no response. Quite simple.
To a degree I can judge what it means to work in very male dominated environment as I am currently contracting for an airline where there are all of two females, both of us captains but I am the only expat. While my presence was certainly unusual, I have been very well received and, so far, I have very much enjoyed working with all of my colleagues.
As was mentioned, any airline that I apply to will let me know if they are interested by responding and, if not, there will be no response. Quite simple.
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OK, I'm also considering a job flying outside the US...I work for a major airline and will be furloughed in September. There are NO aviation jobs to be had in the US now, and even when the industry recovers, who knows how long one can expect to keep their job once they are recalled. All I want is to have a stable career, flying good aircraft, making decent pay for the next 10-15 years with the same carrier. Is that too much to ask? I have the ratings, I have the flight time, but the jobs have all but dried up. It is either change careers, stay in the US, and hope the industry recovers OR leave home to fly. Oh, I too am a female pilot, with no agenda.