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Bitter Ocampos
Piece of advice to all or sa mga Bitter Ocampos dto!!! There are words for eveything. Just need to choose them and if you aint at the Cpapa yahoo groups your gripes are invalid and remains a rumor. Now if you want to be counted in improving our airline send me your email thru some other way and invitations soon be on the way. Lets be constructive and not subjective. In short let's try and grow up with these matters. Otherwise you are beyond help. I aint admin but i know how this goes. Let me be your Kuya and tell you this."Word to your Mama!!!!"
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hey m.arbis,
do i know your old man? is he the same batch as inday pia mountain...???, you know inday lady for jaimee...
hmmmmmmm..... let me check my history notes...
"word to your mamato you too!!.....good one dudettee
do i know your old man? is he the same batch as inday pia mountain...???, you know inday lady for jaimee...
hmmmmmmm..... let me check my history notes...
"word to your mama
to you too!!.....good one dudettee
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Anytime, Anywhere!!!!
Like i said " Beyond help". It's only flying we are talking of here. These guys you bash are "Standard" no doubt. That point was well established. Now for some people who cant understand what standard really means they get angry and dont appreciate the lessons given to them. Now what do you think that means.These guys just have a way to of expressing it and it breaks their ego. Trust me my friend ego is something you dont need in flying anyway. I had mine scrambled,beaten and fried one time. Best part was it being licked. Made me a better person.
Regarding old folks my friend. I think it's really foul you start hitting these guys. Fight someone your age man. Like me. I'll take your fight.You know where to find me.Quite unfair how you speak of this people when they have all shared with us legacies that helped built institutions that you and me bask in right now. Naw you dont know my old man my friend. I dare you to shame the name. Neither do u know Inday the "old lady" you fool. That guy checked me for my F.I. license that taught a lot of fledglings to be pilots.
Lastly, do i know you??? I dont think so. I aint interested in knowing people who dont know dilly about "respect". Sir!!!!!
Regarding old folks my friend. I think it's really foul you start hitting these guys. Fight someone your age man. Like me. I'll take your fight.You know where to find me.Quite unfair how you speak of this people when they have all shared with us legacies that helped built institutions that you and me bask in right now. Naw you dont know my old man my friend. I dare you to shame the name. Neither do u know Inday the "old lady" you fool. That guy checked me for my F.I. license that taught a lot of fledglings to be pilots.
Lastly, do i know you??? I dont think so. I aint interested in knowing people who dont know dilly about "respect". Sir!!!!!
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Cebu Pacific in Aussie Hands?
Does this mean they are serious to fly from the island to "down under", mate?
http://philippineairspace.**********...u-pacific.html
http://philippineairspace.**********...u-pacific.html
Aussie runs Cebu Pacific
Kingshott at the helm
March 10, 2009
Manila- Low Cost Carrier Cebu Pacific is now ran by a foreign expat from the land down under. The Australian CEO, previously managed and turned around a troubled airline Jet lite, the low cost carrier of Jet Airways, of India before he was hired by Lance Gokongwei as Chief Executive Adviser and Senior Consultant of the Airline in May last year. Lance will continue to be its CEO on paper as Philippine Laws barred foreigners from directly managing a domestic Airline.
Gary Kingshott is the man behind the wide body migration plan following the footsteps of its Australian and Malaysian LCC cousins, as it oversee its overseas expansion to Australia, Japan and the Middle East.
He was interviewed in March 2008 by Tarun Shukla in New Delhi before he transferred to the Philippines in May last year.
The following were the excerpt of the interview.
Q - What made you quit even though you haven’t yet fully turned around JetLite? By when do you think JetLite will be able to break even and also, when will it become profitable?
There is absolutely no doubt that the work here is not finished and it won’t be for two-three more years. I think what we have done now in the last 10 months is that we have taken an airline that would very easily have collapsed, to an airline that is now operating in a very stable environment. The business is now stable. The staff has settled down, we are in the middle of just finishing off (sorting out the issue of pilots’ remuneration). That was a key issue. There are two more aircraft that have to come up. I think I would still be here to see those two aircraft fly.
So, the task in a way changes. It’s now about taking the airline on a growth path and continuing to make incremental changes. Now, I would have happily continued to do that. However, I got an offer I simply could not refuse. And it was a very attractive proposition. And I chose to accept it. I have consistently said we will be able to break even once all planes are flying. We are in the process of preparing our 2008-09 budget and would hope to show a small profit. I have consistently said we will be able to break even once all planes are flying. We are in the process of preparing our 2008-09 budget and would hope to show a small profit.
Q - You weren’t asked to stay back by Naresh Goyal who brought you here?
I think he knew (that there would not be a change of mind)… It wasn’t just about the money. It was a whole series of things. Working environment, stock options (in the new airline). In this sort of business you get almost one call a week, most of which you are not interested in and it takes only 30 seconds to say no, but this is the one where everything felt right about it.
The airline is called Cebu Pacific. In fact what we are doing here (JetLite) has actually already been done there. This is a 10-12 years old airline, but two years ago it completely re-fleeted, changed its model from full-service carrier flying DC-9s and Boeing 757s to brand new fleet of A320s and switched business model to a low-cost carrier and they have gone from carrying two million to five million passengers last year and are targeting seven million for this year. The oldest aircraft they have is 21 months old. So... they are profitable, have a 43% market share—and are at a point in time where they need a CEO.
Q - There is a feeling that expats do not have enough freedom in running the airlines in India such as Jet and Kingfisher, and are not even empowered to sanction a ticket upgrade if they want to. Is that correct and what’s been the experience with you?
I think it’s inaccurate. There are only a handful of people to sign an upgrade and Wolfgang (Austrian veteran and CEO of Jet Airways) was one of them as I was. But as a policy, we wouldn’t do it anyways. I certainly know that here at JetLite there are very few issues that I would feel constrained not to take a decision on. There are certainly issues that I go back to the board—go to Bombay— simply because I don’t want to take those decisions. Not because I am not empowered. Its simply because…it is a big decision, it will have some group implications so I want some inputs from Jet. I have not had sense of being unempowered and I don’t know if Woflgang feels that way or not but I see what he does... Obviously when you got a promoter who holds 80% of the stock, that guy is going to have some interests in the way business is run. One of things you will see where the expat sits (in India)…they tend to sit in CEO and COO roles, but they do not generally sit in commercial roles. Most of the market facing positions are actually (held by) locals because they understand the local market. But the best practice operations of an airline will come from the US and Europe and Australia.
In Jet’s case, who in India would have known how to launch a service to New York or Brussels or London? No one here, except if he would have been an ex-Air India, would actually know what’s involved in flying a 777 from Mumbai to New York...
While Jet is considered one of the most professionally run airline, JetLite is not considered so.
Q - Both of them have not been merged; all the JetLite aircraft have not been painted in the new livery giving room to speculation that perhaps they are being prepared to be sold off at some point of time. What’s the strategy?
I would disagree... If you start at the market level, low- cost carriers (LCCs) are already 40% of the market in terms of passengers; they will be at least 60% of the market within three years. Full-services carriers will continue to grow... but would just have less of market share. Full-service will grow at GDP+50%, LCCs at GDP+100% or more simply because it’s the entry point.
Strategically, it is important to establish a position for the group in LCC segment. Now was Sahara the best vehicle? Probably not. However, the deal is done... So let’s make it work. So the plan is: fix the airline; stabilize the airline; now start the repair and maintenance and the growth of the airline. Fortunately, Sahara had ordered 10 new Boeings which will be delivered 2009 onwards, so we start refleeting. If we can keep this business ticking along and making incremental improvements then we’ve got a serious contender in the LCC space. Would it have been easier to start a brand new airline? Probably. Except that Sahara came with hangars, parking bays, slots, engineering facilities, which you just cannot get today. What does IndiGo do when they have a major mechanical problem? Where does SpiceJet go? They got nothing.
We have a hangar in Kolkata which we have made into a paint shop, all CRJs have been painted, three or four Boeings (of the total fleet of 24 aircraft) are done. They are going one after the other. We have to remove “Sahara” from the aircraft by 19 April, we had one year to do it (under the acquisition agreement). Sahara will be gone by 19 April, we will do it before that.
Kingshott at the helm
March 10, 2009
Manila- Low Cost Carrier Cebu Pacific is now ran by a foreign expat from the land down under. The Australian CEO, previously managed and turned around a troubled airline Jet lite, the low cost carrier of Jet Airways, of India before he was hired by Lance Gokongwei as Chief Executive Adviser and Senior Consultant of the Airline in May last year. Lance will continue to be its CEO on paper as Philippine Laws barred foreigners from directly managing a domestic Airline.
Gary Kingshott is the man behind the wide body migration plan following the footsteps of its Australian and Malaysian LCC cousins, as it oversee its overseas expansion to Australia, Japan and the Middle East.
He was interviewed in March 2008 by Tarun Shukla in New Delhi before he transferred to the Philippines in May last year.
The following were the excerpt of the interview.
Q - What made you quit even though you haven’t yet fully turned around JetLite? By when do you think JetLite will be able to break even and also, when will it become profitable?
There is absolutely no doubt that the work here is not finished and it won’t be for two-three more years. I think what we have done now in the last 10 months is that we have taken an airline that would very easily have collapsed, to an airline that is now operating in a very stable environment. The business is now stable. The staff has settled down, we are in the middle of just finishing off (sorting out the issue of pilots’ remuneration). That was a key issue. There are two more aircraft that have to come up. I think I would still be here to see those two aircraft fly.
So, the task in a way changes. It’s now about taking the airline on a growth path and continuing to make incremental changes. Now, I would have happily continued to do that. However, I got an offer I simply could not refuse. And it was a very attractive proposition. And I chose to accept it. I have consistently said we will be able to break even once all planes are flying. We are in the process of preparing our 2008-09 budget and would hope to show a small profit. I have consistently said we will be able to break even once all planes are flying. We are in the process of preparing our 2008-09 budget and would hope to show a small profit.
Q - You weren’t asked to stay back by Naresh Goyal who brought you here?
I think he knew (that there would not be a change of mind)… It wasn’t just about the money. It was a whole series of things. Working environment, stock options (in the new airline). In this sort of business you get almost one call a week, most of which you are not interested in and it takes only 30 seconds to say no, but this is the one where everything felt right about it.
The airline is called Cebu Pacific. In fact what we are doing here (JetLite) has actually already been done there. This is a 10-12 years old airline, but two years ago it completely re-fleeted, changed its model from full-service carrier flying DC-9s and Boeing 757s to brand new fleet of A320s and switched business model to a low-cost carrier and they have gone from carrying two million to five million passengers last year and are targeting seven million for this year. The oldest aircraft they have is 21 months old. So... they are profitable, have a 43% market share—and are at a point in time where they need a CEO.
Q - There is a feeling that expats do not have enough freedom in running the airlines in India such as Jet and Kingfisher, and are not even empowered to sanction a ticket upgrade if they want to. Is that correct and what’s been the experience with you?
I think it’s inaccurate. There are only a handful of people to sign an upgrade and Wolfgang (Austrian veteran and CEO of Jet Airways) was one of them as I was. But as a policy, we wouldn’t do it anyways. I certainly know that here at JetLite there are very few issues that I would feel constrained not to take a decision on. There are certainly issues that I go back to the board—go to Bombay— simply because I don’t want to take those decisions. Not because I am not empowered. Its simply because…it is a big decision, it will have some group implications so I want some inputs from Jet. I have not had sense of being unempowered and I don’t know if Woflgang feels that way or not but I see what he does... Obviously when you got a promoter who holds 80% of the stock, that guy is going to have some interests in the way business is run. One of things you will see where the expat sits (in India)…they tend to sit in CEO and COO roles, but they do not generally sit in commercial roles. Most of the market facing positions are actually (held by) locals because they understand the local market. But the best practice operations of an airline will come from the US and Europe and Australia.
In Jet’s case, who in India would have known how to launch a service to New York or Brussels or London? No one here, except if he would have been an ex-Air India, would actually know what’s involved in flying a 777 from Mumbai to New York...
While Jet is considered one of the most professionally run airline, JetLite is not considered so.
Q - Both of them have not been merged; all the JetLite aircraft have not been painted in the new livery giving room to speculation that perhaps they are being prepared to be sold off at some point of time. What’s the strategy?
I would disagree... If you start at the market level, low- cost carriers (LCCs) are already 40% of the market in terms of passengers; they will be at least 60% of the market within three years. Full-services carriers will continue to grow... but would just have less of market share. Full-service will grow at GDP+50%, LCCs at GDP+100% or more simply because it’s the entry point.
Strategically, it is important to establish a position for the group in LCC segment. Now was Sahara the best vehicle? Probably not. However, the deal is done... So let’s make it work. So the plan is: fix the airline; stabilize the airline; now start the repair and maintenance and the growth of the airline. Fortunately, Sahara had ordered 10 new Boeings which will be delivered 2009 onwards, so we start refleeting. If we can keep this business ticking along and making incremental improvements then we’ve got a serious contender in the LCC space. Would it have been easier to start a brand new airline? Probably. Except that Sahara came with hangars, parking bays, slots, engineering facilities, which you just cannot get today. What does IndiGo do when they have a major mechanical problem? Where does SpiceJet go? They got nothing.
We have a hangar in Kolkata which we have made into a paint shop, all CRJs have been painted, three or four Boeings (of the total fleet of 24 aircraft) are done. They are going one after the other. We have to remove “Sahara” from the aircraft by 19 April, we had one year to do it (under the acquisition agreement). Sahara will be gone by 19 April, we will do it before that.
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M.Arbis...omnidirection
Quite unfair how you speak of this people when they have all shared with us legacies that helped built institutions that you and me bask in right now....
ITS YOUR STATEMENT NOW THAT MAKES ME TURN pale OF PUKE
inday piamountain an institution??? he was a FRAUD in aviation teaching, he was an abusive line pilot, pretending to teach in aviation school, taking advantage of the green studens, and enriching himself the at EXPENSE OF WANNABEES!!! AND THAT IS ON THE RECORDsecondly, get this clear in your immature head....the only reason inday jaimee pia mountain senior was maybe nice to you is because your daddy was a piloto....NOTHING ELSE, and that is why you had so much pride chicken taken out of you by other people.... had you been one of us slum dogs...you would have been nothing.//////// watch your character it becomes your destiny...... and dont flaunt your F.I. License on a cessna 149 for everybody to know you are an FI before, .... unless you want to purposedly LET PEOPLE KNOW
AND WATCH OUT FOR THE PRODUCT KNOWN AS CHEAP PIA ... a by product of a spoiled culture, green envy, small dicky cant use it properly, KSP. he needs to be greeted(clear sign of immaturity and sensitivity due to lack of confidence), he hides under a power trip because deep inside, he knows he is nothing... (northwest...u are correct!!
)btw, you standard right? how was your standard compared to your assessment when you went to korea...? you didnt make it right?
anyong hika sa yo!!! now in case you don't know the meaning of that.... it means....STAY IN PEACE!!
despite people laughing at your excuse for not passing,..... mr standardANYTIME, ANYWHERE... don't tempt me...
but like i said...I have no issues with YOU
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Brat children should have no rights.I hope the father kicks the son out of his house so that the son can learn to make his own way in the world.This is the lesson that the father, a senior official, should teach to his son.
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Thread of Violence
Need more knowledge.....not make-up
Your lesson now..... not aprroaches,not systems
but humility
People you Hex..... Uncommendable
Something in your eye.....blinds you from the truth
Council of Jedimaster......disbelief in your disposition
You are still a masterjedi.....people look up unto you
From Hero.....to Zero
Love a many splendor things......includes pain
Your lesson now..... not aprroaches,not systems
but humility
People you Hex..... Uncommendable
Something in your eye.....blinds you from the truth
Council of Jedimaster......disbelief in your disposition
You are still a masterjedi.....people look up unto you
From Hero.....to Zero
Love a many splendor things......includes pain
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Wisdom From Guava Tree
APPARENTLY, THIS SENIOR IDIOT JAIMEE PIA MOUNTAIN NEVER DID THAT ....AS SHOWN BY HOW POWER TRIPPING, EGO TRIPPING, INSECURE BASTARDO THIS OFF SPRING OF HIS...THIS CHEAP ENVIOUS, LACK OF SELF RESPECT, NEEDS TO BE GREETED OR ELSE HE WILL STAB YOU IN THE BACK, OR WISPER SH....T NOTHINGS IN ALL THE EARS OF THE CABIN CREW AND FLIGHT DECK WHO SMOKE THEIR LUNGS OUT.
NO KIDS... CAN YOU BEAT THAT.... F...K .. HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS... HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS... HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS!!!!
HE WILL NOT RAISE THE RIGHT KIDS IN THIS WORLD!!!
HE IS JUST SO ENVIOUS OF PEOPLES HU MAYD IT BIGTYM OUTSIDE HIS LITTLE POND LIKE HIS LITTLE DIKKIES...... INGITERO IN TAGALONG PHILLIPINE LANGUAGE MEANS I WISH I HAD YOUR LIFE, I WISH I COULD FLY INTERNATIONAL LIKE YOU, I WISH I HAD THE CARS, THE TOYS THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE...INGITERO MEANS EXPATULA HOW CAN U AFFORD THAT MOTORCLYLE WHEN I CANNOT!!!
IT MEANS...CHETDC9 HOW CAN U EARN SO MUCH DOLLARS WHEN I MYSELF HAD AN AFFAIR WITH MARY JANE AND YOU STILL DO IT YET YOU EARN SO MUCH DOLLARS..... AND ME , I STILL DO RED EYE WITH IDOT RJ JOST OLOL....!!!
HOW???
MR GUAVA TREE..... I SALUTE THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT OF YOURS
NO KIDS... CAN YOU BEAT THAT.... F...K .. HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS... HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS... HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO HAVE KIDS!!!!
HE WILL NOT RAISE THE RIGHT KIDS IN THIS WORLD!!!
HE IS JUST SO ENVIOUS OF PEOPLES HU MAYD IT BIGTYM OUTSIDE HIS LITTLE POND LIKE HIS LITTLE DIKKIES...... INGITERO IN TAGALONG PHILLIPINE LANGUAGE MEANS I WISH I HAD YOUR LIFE, I WISH I COULD FLY INTERNATIONAL LIKE YOU, I WISH I HAD THE CARS, THE TOYS THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE...INGITERO MEANS EXPATULA HOW CAN U AFFORD THAT MOTORCLYLE WHEN I CANNOT!!!
IT MEANS...CHETDC9 HOW CAN U EARN SO MUCH DOLLARS WHEN I MYSELF HAD AN AFFAIR WITH MARY JANE AND YOU STILL DO IT YET YOU EARN SO MUCH DOLLARS..... AND ME , I STILL DO RED EYE WITH IDOT RJ JOST OLOL....!!!
HOW???
MR GUAVA TREE..... I SALUTE THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT OF YOURS
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Mr Yoda Friend Of Cheap
YODA, WISE SAY R U...???
TRUTH...SPOKEN FRM EXPERIENC IS IT NOT....!!
EXPERIENCE.....LEARNT FROM PAST IS IT....???
BLINDNESS......COMES FROM CHEAP BEER DRANK ITS NOT...
REPEAT.....HISTORY DOES IT NOT...???
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....
NOT OR IT BELEIVE......
TRUTH...SPOKEN FRM EXPERIENC IS IT NOT....!!
EXPERIENCE.....LEARNT FROM PAST IS IT....???
BLINDNESS......COMES FROM CHEAP BEER DRANK ITS NOT...
REPEAT.....HISTORY DOES IT NOT...???
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT....
NOT OR IT BELEIVE......
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Feisty Fighter
NOw sit and listen...... Stop squirming like a gazelle
Who knows(nose)....... is not standard
Burning bridges..............i see
No where to go,,,,,,,,,, nowhere to run
Stop before ................ too late now
Hatred................ always the worst seed
Open mindness........ always the key.
Understanding best for you..........
Gabriela wont know what to do.......
Accept failure......... Start from there
A Lady you are......... Cry like a baby you are not
Who knows(nose)....... is not standard
Burning bridges..............i see
No where to go,,,,,,,,,, nowhere to run
Stop before ................ too late now
Hatred................ always the worst seed
Open mindness........ always the key.
Understanding best for you..........
Gabriela wont know what to do.......
Accept failure......... Start from there
A Lady you are......... Cry like a baby you are not
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WTF is going on here?
I can't understand what you're talking about...much as i want to piece the words and names together....
Somebody care to expound...or speak in plain English (or Tagalog for that matter)?
Never mind the names, the descriptions suffice enough.
I can't understand what you're talking about...much as i want to piece the words and names together....
Somebody care to expound...or speak in plain English (or Tagalog for that matter)?
Never mind the names, the descriptions suffice enough.
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yup...
Cebu Sunday Morning... through my hotel window... beautiful blue skies, trees gently swaying, calm ocean forever and an ATR passing just over the horizon...PERFECT !!!