Air Asia A320 Tailstrike??
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Unfortunately the one who had the stick was the new guy on the right, snob guy that's what I've heard. He isn't a real man he is only a kid with few hours on the a/c, let this experience taught him well 
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" ....A normal landing was conducted with that configuration and no
abnormalities were experienced until touchdown. During the landing roll, an
inadvertent pitch up was experienced which lead to a tail strike....."
6G tail strike in an inadvertent pitch up during the landing roll ??
6G is kinda of extremely hard. 2G is bad enough. 6G is gonna hurt the passengers at the back of the aircraft real bad! Bad enough to be hospitalized.
The "pitch up" have to be a "extremely violent flip up" to achieve 6G. Not likely. I have my doubts .... my opinion is 6G is a bit exaggerated.
But, I wasn't there .... so I wouldn't what happened. Just my opinion....
abnormalities were experienced until touchdown. During the landing roll, an
inadvertent pitch up was experienced which lead to a tail strike....."
6G tail strike in an inadvertent pitch up during the landing roll ??
6G is kinda of extremely hard. 2G is bad enough. 6G is gonna hurt the passengers at the back of the aircraft real bad! Bad enough to be hospitalized.
The "pitch up" have to be a "extremely violent flip up" to achieve 6G. Not likely. I have my doubts .... my opinion is 6G is a bit exaggerated.
But, I wasn't there .... so I wouldn't what happened. Just my opinion....
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last 6G that i know & went written off on an antonov back to TOU was
AirDeccan ATR72-500, brand new
landing in Bangalore, in perfect wx
bounced twice,.
logged more than 6G's
think the exact was 6,4!
all pax made it , but also lots of people with neck injuries or other
it came to rest right of rwy
both main collapsed & nose gear ripped off
most of the 12 blades chopped off like bread
fuselage ended up looking like papper
now this can happen to anyone
the captain had more the 8,000 on the a/c
but damn, just 1 second of bad luck ( i guess.........if not he doesnt deserve to be there to begin )
fly by wire or not
those few micro seconds before a thing like that
most of the times is like a russian roulete
you could manage to save it or make it worse
but f@#$
6 g
thats a lot
any way where humans, its not auto ldg anyway
AirDeccan ATR72-500, brand new
landing in Bangalore, in perfect wx
bounced twice,.
logged more than 6G's
think the exact was 6,4!
all pax made it , but also lots of people with neck injuries or other
it came to rest right of rwy
both main collapsed & nose gear ripped off
most of the 12 blades chopped off like bread
fuselage ended up looking like papper
now this can happen to anyone
the captain had more the 8,000 on the a/c
but damn, just 1 second of bad luck ( i guess.........if not he doesnt deserve to be there to begin )
fly by wire or not
those few micro seconds before a thing like that
most of the times is like a russian roulete
you could manage to save it or make it worse
but f@#$
6 g
thats a lot
any way where humans, its not auto ldg anyway
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Inadvertent pitch up? That's what normally happens when someone is trying to do a full stall hold off with the Bus, spoilers deploy and bang!
Luck has nothing to do with it.
just 1 second of bad luck
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this is the definition of luck buddy!....
Luck (also called fortuity) is a chance happening, or that which happens beyond a person's control. Luck can be good or bad.
theres also !!!
Circumstantial luck, that is, luck with factors that are haphazardly brought on. Accidents and epidemics are typical examples.
it does have to do with it some times
its like Golf...................99% its luck after that swing
even if your a Pro for years
i dont think your ldgs are ALL the time perfect (get out that cloud!)
like your a robot processing millions of things at a time
where pilots here man stop the BS, it can happen to anyone
i guess not to you NV
c ya
Luck (also called fortuity) is a chance happening, or that which happens beyond a person's control. Luck can be good or bad.
theres also !!!
Circumstantial luck, that is, luck with factors that are haphazardly brought on. Accidents and epidemics are typical examples.
it does have to do with it some times
its like Golf...................99% its luck after that swing
even if your a Pro for years
i dont think your ldgs are ALL the time perfect (get out that cloud!)
like your a robot processing millions of things at a time
where pilots here man stop the BS, it can happen to anyone
i guess not to you NV
c ya
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AK F/Os have no standard judging them from radio calls,recently in HKG it was so embarassed to hear that the FO when requested ATC clearance did not comply to the requirement what to say to the HKG Delivery,for example,here in HKG there is no need to tell your aircraft registration,you have 3:45hours flight from KUL,so just read up the HKG plates,the requirement is only to state Stand No,ATIS.Dont know what if the FO will mumble when they ask clearance from LHR or thru PDC.Read up.
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6G?? come on , dont be to much-lah..in 2006 i involved in investigation of hard landing in riyadh, it was 3.95G ( recorded in FOCA), the a/c airframe bending, and the a/c can not do a taxi.
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@flightleader
Sir, your comments are a wee bit harsh. The leader in your "handle" should indicate someone whom people look upto and not someone who kicks a person in the stomach when he is down and out. Sarcasm included!!
Long time back we had this senior person making fun of a pilot who had gone off the runway onto the grass by a total of about 10 feet. The very next day he himself went off the runway and nearly made it onto the parallel runway which was ofcourse at quite a distance.
Sir, your comments are a wee bit harsh. The leader in your "handle" should indicate someone whom people look upto and not someone who kicks a person in the stomach when he is down and out. Sarcasm included!!
Long time back we had this senior person making fun of a pilot who had gone off the runway onto the grass by a total of about 10 feet. The very next day he himself went off the runway and nearly made it onto the parallel runway which was ofcourse at quite a distance.
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flightleader,
You said it right.
Its the responses and ideas here that probably needed a little attention.
Its a tailstrike.
Tailstrikes happen.
There is a relationship to ATT of the aircraft. ( nearly everything )
Yup....its in the manuals, no secrets.
Thank you.
You said it right.
Its the responses and ideas here that probably needed a little attention.
Its a tailstrike.
Tailstrikes happen.
There is a relationship to ATT of the aircraft. ( nearly everything )
Yup....its in the manuals, no secrets.
Thank you.
Hi Sharp,
I did not laugh at the pilots in this incident. Have a look at all the comments,blame the side stick? blame the management? Hello!!Anyone forced to join them and fly these planes??
The lack of ability to pinpoint at the real reason for this incident make pilots look like cry babies. If the pilots community wants to be respected,have a little respect for the professionalism first.
I did not laugh at the pilots in this incident. Have a look at all the comments,blame the side stick? blame the management? Hello!!Anyone forced to join them and fly these planes??
The lack of ability to pinpoint at the real reason for this incident make pilots look like cry babies. If the pilots community wants to be respected,have a little respect for the professionalism first.
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Apparently the "hard landing" aircraft has been seen in the hangar with the landing gear and both engines removed. I wonder what the DFDR showed?
Tough luck if it was a young lad.
Tough luck if it was a young lad.
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I heard they going to scrap that one away once its ready to fly, so much for the 1st AirAsia A320.
Now they're getting bored with the Hard Landing incidents, looking at they neighbor in Indonesia now they tail strike the brand new bus.
One of the 73's just made it stopping within the runway, tough luck one of the main wheel went out of the edge. They said they should keep this one intern. You reap what you sow, recruiting from one of recently closed airlines then you get what you can expect from them. The time bomb is ticking.
What's next...
Hellboy
Now they're getting bored with the Hard Landing incidents, looking at they neighbor in Indonesia now they tail strike the brand new bus.
One of the 73's just made it stopping within the runway, tough luck one of the main wheel went out of the edge. They said they should keep this one intern. You reap what you sow, recruiting from one of recently closed airlines then you get what you can expect from them. The time bomb is ticking.
What's next...
Hellboy
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Air Asia full of exMAS who were exTUDM who think that A320 sidestick flying is like Tebuan jet flying.......sorrylah, you can get those ex Air Farce chaps to sprout wings to adapt to airbus flying, or grow new grey cells in the geriatrically wired brains to understand Airbus human machine interphase philosophy.
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When I was B744 F/O, some of the ex TUDM laboured over the FMC, LNAV/NVAV functions and engine EECs like if their were UFO alien technology. I guess they had similar difficulties with airbus automation and flight control laws. Not far fetched that human/machine interphase is going to be a big issue with those ex-tebuan/c130 drivers
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Since when ex-Tebuan/C130 drivers are respected drivers in TUDM?
BTW, the one that had a tailstrike is an Iraqi driver, the same breed of people MAS recruited as a skipper on B734 but taxi into the grass in KBR many years ago due to his superior skill and training........
Oh ya..... who was 'Toady' before he became your MAPA exec and SGM?
BTW, the one that had a tailstrike is an Iraqi driver, the same breed of people MAS recruited as a skipper on B734 but taxi into the grass in KBR many years ago due to his superior skill and training........
Oh ya..... who was 'Toady' before he became your MAPA exec and SGM?
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ex TUDM drivers
I think you guys are too generous. Only a handful were ex Tebuan or C130 pilots. Most were only ex Caribous, like toady for e.g.
Those drivers from Saddam's domain are a bunch of typical pak arab better suited to be camel herders.
Those drivers from Saddam's domain are a bunch of typical pak arab better suited to be camel herders.
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High Standards?
AK F/Os have no standard judging them from radio calls,recently in HKG it was so embarassed to hear that the FO when requested ATC clearance
...........They are not that bad after all are they?Happy Flying