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Unpredictable DGCA

Old 22nd Mar 2008, 03:02
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Getsetgo,

My last reply to you, because conversing with you is like

I can very well afford 1000 Rs, but what I wanted to know is where is that 1000 Rs going. I can spend the same 1000 Rs in private hospitals and get a world class service. You will not understand this cuz you are so stuck up on third world crap. I think its because of people like you India will remain in the dark ages. I am sure you have heard of the term "Kuye ka Mendak" (a frog in the well) thats what you are my friend. There is a wh
ole world out there and it is definitely different from your well.

And for the record, I am not an expat in India. I am an Indian living in India. Born and bred here, did my education here and now I pay my taxes here. Perhaps I pay more taxes here in a month than you've paid in your entire life (one cannot declare bribe as source of income, can they?)

ICAO states any way does not recognize FAA, only the flying done on the a/c.
What exactly are you talking about here? Like most of your other posts this does not make any sense? FAA licence and medical are acceptable in all the member states. If a member state requires a pilot to do "its own" class one medical it is applicable to all states. Please tell me of one State where it says that if you are holder of an FAA licence and medical you will have to convert but everyone else is welcome to fly without conversion?

You must be wondering why am I taking FAA's side? Just so you know it was a pleasure dealing with the FAA guys. It is a pleasure to fly in the US airspace, I think it is still one the few countries in the world where aviation is still alive (translation for you and your paper pusher friends- aviation is not just commercial flying, it is a lot more than that).

And as for logging of the hours, well, here is surprise for you. Most of the schools who were involved in fake logging were owned by...... take a guess Einstein........... yepp Indians. You think fake logging doesn't take place in India? I think Taxali was stupid and unlucky that he got caught. It happens all over India and in all the schools, even in your estimed IGRUA.

I rest my case here. Like the thread says "Unpredictable DGCA"
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Old 22nd Mar 2008, 03:18
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Sky Dancer

My definition of a joke would be the same as anyone elses....how else can you explain this ::

^ People who have failed other medicals get a FAA Class 1

^ People who can't clear the exams of other licensing authorities clear the FAA exams...

What else do you call that ???Get real....
Medica;- Well, I say good for them. I don't see any planes falling out of the sky in the USA. Perhaps when I am old and grumpy and cannot hold DGCA and JAA medical I will go to USA so I can continue to fly, not a pessanger jet but a small puddle jumper to keep my blood flowing.

As for exams- don't you think its time India gets real. Who gives a crap about Celestial navigation or moon rise timing in the different parts of the world? In the ages of GPS and other radio aids, these questions are as archaic as the style of navigation. Yes, it was an art, so let it be an art. Its good to know stuff now a days.

And I promise you not one student under the JAA or DGCA scheme will say yes the questions are relevant to practical flying. I think it is old boys network where the authorities says we have been doing it for donkeys years and we will continue to do it. Thank God that for the DGCA ATPL viva they are asking more practical questions now.
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Old 22nd Mar 2008, 03:29
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you are free

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Its not spending money; yes there are world class health centers around you.
You are living in the best democratic state and here you are free to vent out. YOU MUST thank to the PPRuNe
And you are free to choose what you want.
Go to the airspace you like no body is stopping you.
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Old 22nd Mar 2008, 13:55
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insurance at 60+

NG expat
your quote
A ruling was made to stop us from flying past 60 in India. Was that ruling ever published? No, it was simply word of mouth.

stll 1.1 billion flying .At risk

past 60+ no insurance company has any cover for any body.
try searching some insurance company books to find some material for past 60 rule.
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Old 22nd Mar 2008, 14:25
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Past 60 Insurance

Getsetgo......what the hell are you talking about? From your somewhat unreadable post, I gather that you are saying that over 60 Pilots are uninsured? I hardly think so......otherwise several carriers all over the world are really sticking their respective necks out! So again it would appear that you are talking out of your ass.
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Old 22nd Mar 2008, 16:09
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history

NG expat
after 55 insurance companies put a TAG on ithe file as HISTORY
or they charge insurance premium more than the life.
how operators flying arround the world .
i have no idea
may be operators are paying very high on premium or insurance companies are at win win situation.....in case of any mishap they donot have to shell out a penny to the operator/passengers.
FAA rule says with + 60 pilot there will be some one -60,
you see this globe is round,and rotates.
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 04:18
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NG ExPat and DesiPilot, why bother replying to getsetgo's and Sky Dancer's rather strange and immature messages, don't stoop down to their level.
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 05:00
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welcome

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welcome to the circus.
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 05:15
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.. I already got myself a bucket of popcorn to watch this thread...
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 11:02
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Hey, hey..ok, back to the topic please!!!

Do any of you, expat copilots, received an official notification about the 1st June stuff? Right now the only thing I know are rumours, and not to worry promises..So Im even more worried
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 11:44
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Rithworth, Parc and aeroproffesion has stopped recruiting. There is a official memo from DGCA INDIA but will this be enforced. Only time will tell
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 13:09
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Thats why Im asking, because it seems that all agencies stopped recruitment. But I still doubt that they will get rid of us in two months. I mean..its just simply not good for their airlines. Maybe they wont validate again our FATA..but fire us...?

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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 16:10
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Relax chaps, i've heard that the freeze after June is only for new contracts and that all existing ones will be honoured.
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 17:35
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predictions

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Some fresh CPLs going to get in to the business, its not easy walk for them or to feel they are in comfortable zone, as no body will compromise on training and safety.
This abrupt notice is not good (harsh).
It should have been. those who are joining by June can continue and after June no further induction. Something like that.


this is what i posted on 20th in other thread.

Its predictable DGCA
Regulations and rule are according to the demand of the industry.
In this case civil aviation ministry.
NOT TRANSPORT DEPARTMENT
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 17:44
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Interruption

black gun

When there is transmission between two stations dont not interrupt,
It can happen when your receiver switch is OFF.
Such things when happen in ICAO states they have to make such decisions on RTR licensing.
Considering traffic volume in the region, mandatory RTR license requirement may come in soon .
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Old 23rd Mar 2008, 18:27
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Cool down guys cool down, we r just here to share your knowledge regarding the DGCA. So why do you guys have to crib.
Peace
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Old 24th Mar 2008, 09:22
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FATA's NOT being renewed....

Getwetgo said "welcome to the circus"...and guess who's the four foot clown in the middle...??!!?......
OK,back to the thread. I just got the news that the DGCA is seriously considering NOT honouring the pre-signed contracts of all expat copilots.ALL FATA's are being renewed only till May 31st.However,the ministry has taken a very strong stand(kind courtsey Mr Praful Patel,civil aviation minister,who's now related to Vijay Mallya of Kingfisher,thru his daughter's marriage to VJM's son).The stand is very pro expat copilots ie to say that its kind of fair for a change, in its own pyscotic little way.The minister is trying hard to have the rule aplicable for new recruits only.That is to say no fresh expat copilot recruitment from the 1st of June'08 onwards.....but for the time being FATA's are definitely not being renewed beyond May 31st.Kingfisher stands to lose considerably if the rule requires termination of contracts.Besides the numerous court cases that I foresee if this takes shape.....
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Old 24th Mar 2008, 11:57
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Hello folks....

Been watching the bull fight from the sidelines and thought I'd step in to add a little more excitement to the whole thing....From what I hear the rule will be implemented....And no VJM is not related to Mr.Patel but he did foot the bill for Mr.Patel's first daughter's wedding in Bangalore...but nothing came off it... ever since then he's just been getting it harder...

Hey DesiPilot...I agree with you man..the FAA guys are really pleasant to deal with and so are the American pilots..really nice guys to fly with...but have you taken time to really read through the history and statistics of accidents regarding FAA registered aircraft...On the GA scene it is really quite astounding and from the 70 - 90s you should do some reading into the accidents that occured in that part of the world...one thing you will notice is that almost all of them happened due to Pilot Error and the basic reason for that was the wrong guy was in the cockpit...their system allows people with no aptitude to fly...these days the technology on commercial aircraft does not allow for too many accidents...but that is what each licencing authority needs to do...create a system where only the right people get in....take a look at Indian aviation...IA has had it;s fair share of accidents....whatever was the reason ?? you had average guys making it into the flight deck...but that's not the worse part..when you have average guys sitting there and thinking that they are God's gift to commercial aviation and start flying like cowboys....dead bodies is what you get...
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Old 24th Mar 2008, 13:33
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Sky Dancer:

I too was watching from the sidelines till now. First off, you paint with too wide a brush, my friend. Comparing aviation in the US to that in India is like comparing Tiger Woods to your local golf club buddy.The US has been and will always be a much more user friendly country for aviation.Even the Europeans acknowlege that.
Coming to comparing accident records: LOL.My friend, you claim to have flown here but you obviously don't have a clue. Do you realize the sheer volume of flying that goes on here? At any given time there are more helicopters flying in the Gulf of Mexico and inland in the US than there are airliners in India. As to airline traffic. During peak hours, it is not unusual to have 4000 airliners in the air at one time across the nation. By sheer volume alone I think the safety record is pretty damn good.In fact it is a tribute to the professionalism and skill of all concerned:FAA, ATC, Pilots Dispatchers etc.If India had that kind of traffic, there would be many more smoking holes in the ground.
Coming to GA. You are joking right? GA is non-existent in India . So what are we comparing ?Does GA in the US have a poor safety record? Absolutely. Should that be grounds for curbing GA in the US?Absolutely not.In fact , GA is the rich fertile ground from which the professionals are recruited.
I guess what the man said was true:Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Take care when you come down from your high horse.
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Old 24th Mar 2008, 15:16
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Boeingdream787, where did you get those news?

oh yeah..regards
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