Great Wall Airlines - Shanghai
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Gents,
there are always two sides of the stories, I never believe there is a perfect
company with no politics either. Good or Bad, the road shows by GWA is
good. I'm satisfied for what they have to offer for now. Mr Green, have we met?? your english standards remind me of someone who used to work in TH.
there are always two sides of the stories, I never believe there is a perfect
company with no politics either. Good or Bad, the road shows by GWA is
good. I'm satisfied for what they have to offer for now. Mr Green, have we met?? your english standards remind me of someone who used to work in TH.
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According to the figures stated, they are using the same spreadsheet presented to us three years ago.
And of course, our spywork told us Big F..... is there too.
I suggest that guys who are interested insists on a pre-medical in Shanghai. Come to Shanghai, get your Helicopter and Chinook ratings
and move on.
And of course, our spywork told us Big F..... is there too.
I suggest that guys who are interested insists on a pre-medical in Shanghai. Come to Shanghai, get your Helicopter and Chinook ratings
and move on.
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Gents I sincerely apologised for my previous comments, I have heard from a mate in there that its bad... I had spoken with him last night. I think those who are joining better think twice before you sign the dotted line.. it is bloody bad. no hours, bad promises...I'm not going to get sucked in.
I would ask all who are considering to consider again....... If my mate says its bad...its bad... he is stuck in china and no where to run....
I would ask all who are considering to consider again....... If my mate says its bad...its bad... he is stuck in china and no where to run....
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From the SQ grapevine,
Well, at least he can die with the famous great wall of China. Heard guys are falling physically ill due to extreme slavery conditions. Guys have sleepless nights worrying about their futures being 'slaved' to GWA. Never comprehend coolies of 21st centuries still exist.
Well, at least he can die with the famous great wall of China. Heard guys are falling physically ill due to extreme slavery conditions. Guys have sleepless nights worrying about their futures being 'slaved' to GWA. Never comprehend coolies of 21st centuries still exist.
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Postman, despite all that many of us had said - with the best of intentions - you still chose to disbelieve almost every single one of us, and said "there are always two sides of the stories, I never believe there is a perfect company with no politics either. Good or Bad, the road shows by GWA is good. I'm satisfied for what they have to offer for now."
It makes me feel that we have completely wasted our time.
It makes me feel that we have completely wasted our time.
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Postman, i strongly recommend that you go there. yes, this is a rumor network so by extension it can't be trusted even with 100% nays and 0% yeas.
Please do go to Great Wall - it is a perfect place.
Please do go to Great Wall - it is a perfect place.
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We are just trying to tell the truth. There are many more stories that were not highlighted here. What has been said is only tip of the iceberg.
Of course, if you choose to join, you are most welcome by only the Singapore Python, and his playmate. No one will shake your hands. Not that we don't like you, but because we backstab on each other in Greatwall. They called it SIA culture X 4. There are fightings between groundstaffs to pilots. You never know who has diseases, as most guys go for the helicopters and chinook ratings...++
Last but not least, all of the non-rated pilots, that has not been through the Singapore system, have left the company to date.
You choose......if you want to know more stories...feel free to ask....
Of course, if you choose to join, you are most welcome by only the Singapore Python, and his playmate. No one will shake your hands. Not that we don't like you, but because we backstab on each other in Greatwall. They called it SIA culture X 4. There are fightings between groundstaffs to pilots. You never know who has diseases, as most guys go for the helicopters and chinook ratings...++
Last but not least, all of the non-rated pilots, that has not been through the Singapore system, have left the company to date.
You choose......if you want to know more stories...feel free to ask....
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Postman 11 appears to fit nicely in the POS Plaza culture where lack of flying skills does not matter. Only need to suck up, volunteer to help prepare powerpoint slides and sacrifice family time for 'promised' quick promotion prospects.
He is likely to join the POSMEN club. He needs to be a snake charmer to survive, though.
He is likely to join the POSMEN club. He needs to be a snake charmer to survive, though.
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well, the posmen need the job and money.. for their previous company went belly up.. due ..what else..poor management !!
AOGWL is a God sent oppotunity..likewise the snake-plaza saw them (posmen ) as demi-god sent.. the knife cuts both ways..
i heard the skinless snake went rushing down to the fragance harbour to trap the Oasis pilots as soon as the snake-plaza heard the unfortunate news... catch them while they are still in shock..
AOGWL is a God sent oppotunity..likewise the snake-plaza saw them (posmen ) as demi-god sent.. the knife cuts both ways..
i heard the skinless snake went rushing down to the fragance harbour to trap the Oasis pilots as soon as the snake-plaza heard the unfortunate news... catch them while they are still in shock..
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Give Those Guys A Break!!!
I have been monitoring this forum with increasing interest.
For Ghengiz, Ghengiz 11. Akistar, CrewPlaykhan do not forget that there
are fellow pilots there who are trying to earn a decent living. Some had left established reputable airline to give it a shot for a little bit more juice.
Like in any other organizations they seem to have their grievances but when the pros and cons were considered, it was seen to be acceptable.
If you feel like putting your comments ,why dont you listen on both sides of the story, not from a handful few. You source I presume must have been from those handful of sour grapes that did not get what they wanted in the company.
Singapore python had his flaws, as no one is perfect. He had a task to do and did it well. He managed to get the airlines started at the least of recognition. That was a feather on the Cap. FIRST foreign airline to obtain an AOC in CHINA
Unfortunately your informer did not mention the good things that he did!
I was told the initial contract does not even mention anything about LOL....but he worked on it.... and the pilots got themselves covered for free......not a cent from the pilots pocket.Its 300K SGD for Capts & 200K for F/O.
13th month pay was never in the contract.....it was payed even when the company was bleeding due to the 3 months sanction.
More than 2 years of operation since inception... 13th month pay was extended and enjoyed twice....so far..
Infact it seems there was a recent announcement that another Bonus in recognition of the hard work put in by everyone ( Despite being still in the red) payable in July08
When the sanction took place....The CEO in a briefing assured the staff that the company can sustain for 2 years without resuming Business.
Nobody lost a single Singapore cent during the sanction.....
Gave in a Business Class travel to the F/O for interline travel during positioning instead of EY
Approved a 3 months pay for one new comer who end up jobless after failing to obtain his security clearance for work in China.No company would be obligated to do that if thats the company's choice.
Home Leave were honoured in most occasion.
In the recent couple of months many changes had taken place:
1)Housing Allowance increased from RMB 12250 to RMB 14000
2) Basic pay adjusted by 4,8% ( Shanghai CPI) effective 1st Jan 08.
3) Travel allowances increase from RMB 2500 to RMB 4500
4) 70 hrs guarantee extended to all pilots.
5) Foreign Insurance medical coverage in negotiation stage in view of pilots interest when flying in USA and Europe.
So Guys.... think about it....
SHTi
For Ghengiz, Ghengiz 11. Akistar, CrewPlaykhan do not forget that there
are fellow pilots there who are trying to earn a decent living. Some had left established reputable airline to give it a shot for a little bit more juice.
Like in any other organizations they seem to have their grievances but when the pros and cons were considered, it was seen to be acceptable.
If you feel like putting your comments ,why dont you listen on both sides of the story, not from a handful few. You source I presume must have been from those handful of sour grapes that did not get what they wanted in the company.
Singapore python had his flaws, as no one is perfect. He had a task to do and did it well. He managed to get the airlines started at the least of recognition. That was a feather on the Cap. FIRST foreign airline to obtain an AOC in CHINA
Unfortunately your informer did not mention the good things that he did!
I was told the initial contract does not even mention anything about LOL....but he worked on it.... and the pilots got themselves covered for free......not a cent from the pilots pocket.Its 300K SGD for Capts & 200K for F/O.
13th month pay was never in the contract.....it was payed even when the company was bleeding due to the 3 months sanction.
More than 2 years of operation since inception... 13th month pay was extended and enjoyed twice....so far..
Infact it seems there was a recent announcement that another Bonus in recognition of the hard work put in by everyone ( Despite being still in the red) payable in July08
When the sanction took place....The CEO in a briefing assured the staff that the company can sustain for 2 years without resuming Business.
Nobody lost a single Singapore cent during the sanction.....
Gave in a Business Class travel to the F/O for interline travel during positioning instead of EY
Approved a 3 months pay for one new comer who end up jobless after failing to obtain his security clearance for work in China.No company would be obligated to do that if thats the company's choice.
Home Leave were honoured in most occasion.
In the recent couple of months many changes had taken place:
1)Housing Allowance increased from RMB 12250 to RMB 14000
2) Basic pay adjusted by 4,8% ( Shanghai CPI) effective 1st Jan 08.
3) Travel allowances increase from RMB 2500 to RMB 4500
4) 70 hrs guarantee extended to all pilots.
5) Foreign Insurance medical coverage in negotiation stage in view of pilots interest when flying in USA and Europe.
So Guys.... think about it....
SHTi