Whats wromg at Korean Air ?
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Well said!
Nobody really knows what that freaks are looking for: it's always a total surprise, some below average guys are happy there, other impeccable professionals have been busted. Some say there are some internal politics involving local pilots associations, others say that is just the kimchi was not good enough at the day...
Go for a lottery. BUT DO A FAVOR TO YOURSELF: KEEP SECURE YOUR PRESENT JOB TILL YOUR FINAL LINE CHECK AT LEAST.
Go for a lottery. BUT DO A FAVOR TO YOURSELF: KEEP SECURE YOUR PRESENT JOB TILL YOUR FINAL LINE CHECK AT LEAST.
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Heard that many riff-raffs slipped through as they stuck closely ' cook book ' style to all the tips provided by fellows who slipped through earlier. Consummate operators exhibiting good airmanship however do get chopped by tight arse IPs and " green eyed " Alteon checkers. Did not quite believe everything but a buddy with experience in both KAL's training/checking and audit dept. pretty much confirm that the stories ain't very far from the truth.
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True, not very far from reality. There are riffraffs who cleared not only the hoops but became instructors too! Amazing but true. There are world class accomplished aviators too and they help keep things on an even keel.
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Alteon checkers
Heard from a former colleagues that many Alteon checkers have NEVER flown the aircraft type they are assigned. THEY ONLY QUALIFY ON THE SIMULATOR and treat everything the see or occuring in the sim as the real exact thing!!! Virtual Pilot Examiners!
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Jetney, well it means that in your PC DO NOT OVER EXCELL or correct the Alteon checker even if he seem wrong ( if he forgets to cancel " double speed " or the SIM has lost control loading and he doesn't seem to know ). You would think that only the Orientals have problems with " loss of face "? Well some Alteon sim gods have even worse hang ups with loss of face but they are clever to put a pretty spin to it to appear otherwise!
I know someone who came to grief with a very anal retentive Alteon checker as he is from the third world, articulate and operates proficiently to really rattle some first world sim god with his pointed observation on actual aircraft characteristics, operational issues etc. This sim god had no actual aircraft experience and deem his sim box flying as the epitome of actual aircraft operational characteristics. A few other Alteon are out to put anyone they deem upstarts in " their proper places ". Puerile and infantile characteristics in grumpy mean old men are deeply ingrained, no CRM or fancy spin can purge such DNA imprints.
I know someone who came to grief with a very anal retentive Alteon checker as he is from the third world, articulate and operates proficiently to really rattle some first world sim god with his pointed observation on actual aircraft characteristics, operational issues etc. This sim god had no actual aircraft experience and deem his sim box flying as the epitome of actual aircraft operational characteristics. A few other Alteon are out to put anyone they deem upstarts in " their proper places ". Puerile and infantile characteristics in grumpy mean old men are deeply ingrained, no CRM or fancy spin can purge such DNA imprints.
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Wow, Marsh Outlaws! You must have had it in kimchiland. In NRT crew lounge I did hear of such stories of Alteon checkers. I wonder how you put up with such **** for half a decade; I am sure there are redeeming qualities in the KAL/OZ contracts that seem to attract a whole load of expats there. I heard a relative of George Lucas was a terror there; also some johnny come lately who is the sweetest of angels to some folks he like but a slithery reptilian to those he deem unfit to be up at his level.
Well I have come across such pricks but most of them got their comeuppance in due time.
Well I have come across such pricks but most of them got their comeuppance in due time.
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During my time there, several Alteon checkers looked like they belonged to Home Peace Geriatric Care, not in the demanding task of quality instructions/checks during graveyard shifts.
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Get off the Alteon guys. I spent 7 years there and was never treated with anyhting but generousity and respect during sim. If you're going to have problems they're going to occur during line training from a small percentage of the trainer/checkers. Even then a good operator with a good attitude will most likely prevail.
That's not to say that there aren't some injustices, but where in the world can you go where you're immune from the odd jerk?
That's not to say that there aren't some injustices, but where in the world can you go where you're immune from the odd jerk?
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Pardon my ignorance but as one interested in Korean as B777 skipper what has Alteon got to do with anything?
Do KAL not do their own checks?
My only interaction with Alteon has been woeful but of course that may just have been bad luck.
Do KAL not do their own checks?
My only interaction with Alteon has been woeful but of course that may just have been bad luck.
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Get off the Alteon guys....
Well it's true that a number of the Alteon guys are great and they do a great job there. However newcomers need to know that there are jerks around and beware.
Been there for several years and they were pleasant times, but I have seen first hand some of those grumpy jerks' antics and I will not leave things unsaid.
I know some KAL expats had close relationships with Alteon guys ( so much so that to prevent any impropriety, guys were banned from Alteon lounge at Songdo ) and surely benefitted in everyway. Some have affinity for their own countrymen, some sick ones will sabotage their own bethren ( to be deem superior, or afraid to be seen as biased ).
The nasty Korean checkers have largely been removed, and generally line training ( OE training ) is much easier now. However the odd jerk of a checker can ruin your life if you throw caution to the wind and leave your present job before your final line check in KAL. Be warned!
Get off the Alteon guys....
Well it's true that a number of the Alteon guys are great and they do a great job there. However newcomers need to know that there are jerks around and beware.
Been there for several years and they were pleasant times, but I have seen first hand some of those grumpy jerks' antics and I will not leave things unsaid.
I know some KAL expats had close relationships with Alteon guys ( so much so that to prevent any impropriety, guys were banned from Alteon lounge at Songdo ) and surely benefitted in everyway. Some have affinity for their own countrymen, some sick ones will sabotage their own bethren ( to be deem superior, or afraid to be seen as biased ).
The nasty Korean checkers have largely been removed, and generally line training ( OE training ) is much easier now. However the odd jerk of a checker can ruin your life if you throw caution to the wind and leave your present job before your final line check in KAL. Be warned!
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Marsh: That pretty much describes a whole load of other airlines too. A lot of it comes down to the adaptability of an individual into a new environment. Some people take to it easy and others dont. As a rule, a newcomer has to make allowances to fit in to the organisation rather than expect the organsiation fit him. It's an imperfect world out there.
Of course luck of the draw plays its part too.
Of course luck of the draw plays its part too.
