Jet Airways B777 recruitment?

[Sky Dancer]

I think I've said this time and again. Things in Jet change on a whim and if you are going there with any long term plans you might as well forget it. In the past they have changed their strategy from the Brussels hub , to direct connections and now to the Etihad hub. A few years ago , they were not happy with the B 777s and were thinking of expanding the 330s and now it's the other way round.Now with Etihad having a stake in Jet , the confusion has just grown bigger. And before you know it , there will be no more Abu Dhabi hub and they will start winding down their wide body operations. Take my honest advice , if you guys have other options , it's better you go for them.

[Geebz]

Why don't you guys just quit?

I did. Jet screwed with the T&Cs of my contract one too many times that I bailed. Not before making a lot of money, mind you... merely because their operation is so chaotic (where there's chaos, there is opportunity). Eventually, though, I had enough.

Anyone that sticks around is either not looking hard enough for better employment, or likes the gig.

9W use to be an outstanding airline when it came to respecting the written word. That all changed in 2008 and isn't likely to return any time soon.

There is a reason they are always looking for pilots (too few applicants because they have a reputation for dishonesty).

[777AV8R]

Ooops....

And now the news.....

Etihad to hire 22 Jet Airways pilots for a year, offers over 30 per cent pay hike | The Indian Express

[mazin dia]

False ads for recruitment

This below is an ad received today, still showing various bases.

Further information: ........ on behalf of our client Jet Airways are seeking B777 Captains.

Duration: 3 years
Bonus: USD$72,000 at end of 36 month contract
Base/s: From April 2014
1. Mumbai
2. Abu Dhabi, Dubai
3. JFK, New York
4. Istanbul till end June 2014(completion of wet lease with TK)
Roster Pattern: 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off
Screening dates and location: Mumbai, India
Accommodation provided / Ground transportation provided
Minimum Requirements:
Total time: Minimum of 6,000 hours hours total time
PIC time: Minimum of 3,000 hours Pilot in Command
Time on type: Minimum of 700 hours on B777
Last date of flight: Within the last 24 Months (If currency is beyond 24 months, pilots have the option to complete a PC check and if successful at screening, Jet Airways will reimburse cost)
Licence: ICAO/FAA/JAA - ATPL/CPL
English language proficiency level: Minimum ICAO level 4 or above

[B744-B777]

I agree

Hi 4aces-3pfcs
I fully agree , this is not what we signed up for.

[B744-B777]

At the end of TK lease

I just want anyone contemplating the Jet Airways package to be aware that after October there will only be 1 option for continuing this contract , other than leaving, and that is to join Etihad. Jet has announced ,as has Etihad, that 11 captains and 11 copilots will be joining Etihad, this is on top of the B737 guys who have already joined and have completed/ are doing, their B777 type rating . And for those who would like to do that just look at the Middle East thread and decide for yourself

[captjns]

I thought that 9W would only accept type rated triple captains with 700 hours in type. Has the DGCA changed their position on this issue?

[B744-B777]

Never will EY accept basings

Ref to the ad, EY will never accept foreign bases, they have told 9W that they have their own pilots who have been demanding this and as such will not acquiesce to this. They will promise anything then deliver on nothing. 9W will not put up a fight with BIG BROTHER SAVIOR for the sake of us bunch of expats especially once they have the local pilots against us. They might promise us the moon but no one will deliver, whether it be both airlines or the recruitment agencies. Regarding the pay increase 9W will never offer TRI/TRE posts and the pay is exactly what has been offered from the beginning, no increase. By the way, the basic salary in EY is less than 9W, it starts at 35,060 AED which is approx 9600 USD, and living expenses are by far higher than Mumbai or Istanbul. EY does not offer any mode of surface transport to or from airport, only during ground school, nor do they pay any allowance to pilots. 3 cabin crew, the CM, CS and F&B Manager make more productivity than the Captain does, their meter runs from reporting time 1hour and 45 minutes before STD whereas pilots go chock to block and at a less rate than those 3. The pilots cannot disembark before the passengers have all disembarked, then the cabin crew conduct their post disembarkation tasks( security checks) then CM will give a debriefing on the aerobridge and all the crew have to pass in a single file through the immigration post, if one is missing none will be allowed to pass through (except the locals) so it will take you more than hour after chocks in to get to your car and if there are 57 wheel chair cases then good luck to you if you make it in one and a half hours, I will not mention precisely how long it took some.

[B777TAC]

Rumors and unimplemented plans:

Jet Airways suffers more then most from rumors and unimplemented plans.
Rumors from the lack of transparency, and unimplemented plans from the lack of proper planning!
So if it happens it happens, and if 9W is planning on sending all or most expats to AUH on a non-rotating contract, that won’t happen if you don’t accept and if they really need you they will adjust the plan. So they may not need you, have a back up.

[xyz21]

how much does an atpl licensee holder earn

if you are already having 2000 hrs of flying exp in go air and you pass your ATPL exams ......how much are you expected to earn?????
pls reply

[bucks_raj]

how much does an atpl licensee holder earn

if you are already having 2000 hrs of flying exp in go air and you pass your ATPL exams ......how much are you expected to earn?????
pls reply

Just a Little less than Enough

[Lightning Bandicoot]

Good luck dealing with Jet Airways

For all those of you contemplating a switch to Jet, beware. U will never get what is promised as per your contract. The Indian government rules on employment of expats is very fickle and the slightest of policy changes or loss making by the airline, the first target to chop will be you.
The bunch of pilots running the show are not the nice blokes you think they are. They play the game to pull the rug under their own friends feet. As far as their so called 'association' or 'Union' goes, it is run by a few people who negotiate things in their own interest. Ever since 2008 Jet's own pilot community has taken great strengths in running themselves and each other down.
EY will do their best to help Jet so long as their own commercial interests are served.
Chicago, JFK base dreamers, dream on.

[fatbus]

Promises and expat contract flying do not mix.

[B777TAC]

promises

“There comes a day that we become tired of hearing empty promises and insincere apologies; not just from others, but also from ourselves.”


“Trust is the residue of promises fulfilled.”

“A promise is only as good as the person or company who makes it. The character of the promiser or company is what gives the promise its value.

[trackalpha]

AUH-SFO

Air Transport World says Nov 18 Etihad will start operating SFO with leased Jet Airways 777's and "the flights will be operated by Etihad Airways and its crew.” Does this mean Jet Airways Expat's will be hitting the bricks again?

[Jetjock330]

AUH to SFO
At 8100 KM can 9W’s B77W’s even do that flight with a reasonable payload?

I think you meant NM.
Direct line 7070nm, 13079KM

[de facto]

Air Transport World says Nov 18 Etihad will start operating SFO with leased Jet Airways 777's and "the flights will be operated by Etihad Airways and its crew.” Does this mean Jet Airways Expat's will be hitting the bricks again?

Isnt Jet Airways wet leasing their 777 to Turkish Airlines with their own expats based in Istanbul?

Global world

[B744-B777]

Etihad/ Jet Airways lease

Jet Airways leased 3 B777-300ER's to Turkish but the lease terminates towards the end of October 2014.Etihad already have a group of 20 sets or so of locals who moved from the B737NG/A330 to Etihad and have undergone conversion training but no news whether they are operational. Jet Airways does not have all the expat B777 crew based in Istanbul, they have a few based in Mumbai. The expats have already been told that their option is to move across to Etihad ON ETIHAD TERMS, not as per Jet Airways' contract. So far only 4-6 have indicated their willingness, and initially they were told they would not need to go through the assessment process but now have been told they will have to undergo the full assessment process.BTW I doubt that the Jet Airways B777-300ER's will be able to operate to SFO non stop as they do not have a TO Bump rating, of course this depends on the time of departure but at approx 10 am the temperature is around 42-43 in the summer and performance is approx 324,000 KGS and drops by about 3,000 KGS per every degree OAT rise.There were as far as I heard 4 new Captains undergoing ground school training recently for the IST operation, long after the expats were told of the termination of the Turkish lease !!!!!!

[B744-B777]

Suggestion

I can only imagine that such a proposal is being discussed among the expat pilot cohort to be relayed to management i.e. 1 month on one month off or any other similar arrangement, but other than the 3 week arrangement will not work because in Jet Airways if you away from flying for 30 days you have to undergo a line check with an TRE/TRI and they have a shortage in that area. Other airlines allow a simple take off and landing in a simulator to achieve currency status but not in Jet Airways so that will cause a logistical problem.

[pilotchute]

Latest is E#i#ad cant get the ETOPS approval for the Jet triplers to go to SFO/LAX. Apparently the engine paperwork isn't in as good a order as it should be.