Jet Airways B777 recruitment?
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Four Words....
I told you so.
Having worked there several years ago, nothing has changed.
As soon as the ink is dry on your contract, the game changes. And; this is probably just the start.
As a result, you all will be:
Having worked there several years ago, nothing has changed.
As soon as the ink is dry on your contract, the game changes. And; this is probably just the start.
As a result, you all will be:
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No More to Tell....
Except, I do feel sorry for those guys and gals in our profession who NEED a job. Those who are double dipping their pensions, I don't feel sorry for and the whining is more from the latter than the former. Furthermore; it is the double-dippers who are actually making more of a mess of the contract system than those who are legitimately trying to feed their families and look after their loved ones.
The only way to be a contract pilot is have the guts to cut the ties while working for any of the legacies, get rid of your pension and all the fancy benefits, and experience what real work is all about.
Contract flying is NOT on your bargaining terms gentlemen. Contract flying is ACCEPTING THEIR terms. As a career contract pilot I had to understand that.
A contract pilot see him/herself as not being treated fairly most of the time. Whats fair? The union environment won't protect an expat contract pilot and furthermore, being a member of IFALPA won't help you one bit.
That said however; those contract pilots who have 'bitten the bullet' and decided to become a career contract pilots have been some of the best guys/gals that I've ever worked with.
Being a contract pilot is not easy work. Its hard. We are evaluated differently and we have to prove ourselves every day. The local pilots hate us and the contract agencies don't give a darn about us once the deal is signed with them. They don't care. They're getting their money each month.
A contract pilot is 'on call' 24/7, despite what the piece of paper says. A local always has the 'protection' and can do whatever they want. Book off..call an Expat to do the work. Easy. A local can get away with a lot of things that we contract pilots can't. They know it. We have no leg to stand on.
At the end of the day, though, there is a day of reckoning.
I have a long memory and there are some situations that I wouldn't ever consider getting back into even if I receive a personal email from the GM, asking me to come back.
I really wish things were different in the aviation world, especially for those good guys and gals who really need the work. Unfortunately, our world is fraught with employers who want to take everything and see that a meagre wage and the chance to fly their big heavy iron is enticing. To some, it is.
If I had the bucks and a few years left, I'd apply for an AOC and get the job done right.
Thoughtfully envisioned route/route structure
A commitment to air safety at any cost
A quality system that works
A team of TRIs who know what they are talking about and don't think that teaching is asking a bunch of useless questions.
A scheduling system that works and a team of schedulers who actually know what they are doing.
A cadré of flight crew who are keen to work, work hard and know that if they put their time in, they will get something back at the end of the month.
A set of Cabin Crew who are well trained, are respected by the flight crew and who are not afraid to talk to their management for fear of being punished for not wanting to take abuse.
I could go on and on.
If you sign the contract, you have to accept it. No negotiating. In fact, trying to negotiating a contract will only meet with an affront. It means that the company is actually on the right track and they see that they are doing the right thing...they are making money and all is well.
My regards to all of you who are trying to work in the environment but sadly this is a story that will continue to be replayed, over and over.
There are choices.
The only way to be a contract pilot is have the guts to cut the ties while working for any of the legacies, get rid of your pension and all the fancy benefits, and experience what real work is all about.
Contract flying is NOT on your bargaining terms gentlemen. Contract flying is ACCEPTING THEIR terms. As a career contract pilot I had to understand that.
A contract pilot see him/herself as not being treated fairly most of the time. Whats fair? The union environment won't protect an expat contract pilot and furthermore, being a member of IFALPA won't help you one bit.
That said however; those contract pilots who have 'bitten the bullet' and decided to become a career contract pilots have been some of the best guys/gals that I've ever worked with.
Being a contract pilot is not easy work. Its hard. We are evaluated differently and we have to prove ourselves every day. The local pilots hate us and the contract agencies don't give a darn about us once the deal is signed with them. They don't care. They're getting their money each month.
A contract pilot is 'on call' 24/7, despite what the piece of paper says. A local always has the 'protection' and can do whatever they want. Book off..call an Expat to do the work. Easy. A local can get away with a lot of things that we contract pilots can't. They know it. We have no leg to stand on.
At the end of the day, though, there is a day of reckoning.
I have a long memory and there are some situations that I wouldn't ever consider getting back into even if I receive a personal email from the GM, asking me to come back.
I really wish things were different in the aviation world, especially for those good guys and gals who really need the work. Unfortunately, our world is fraught with employers who want to take everything and see that a meagre wage and the chance to fly their big heavy iron is enticing. To some, it is.
If I had the bucks and a few years left, I'd apply for an AOC and get the job done right.
Thoughtfully envisioned route/route structure
A commitment to air safety at any cost
A quality system that works
A team of TRIs who know what they are talking about and don't think that teaching is asking a bunch of useless questions.
A scheduling system that works and a team of schedulers who actually know what they are doing.
A cadré of flight crew who are keen to work, work hard and know that if they put their time in, they will get something back at the end of the month.
A set of Cabin Crew who are well trained, are respected by the flight crew and who are not afraid to talk to their management for fear of being punished for not wanting to take abuse.
I could go on and on.
If you sign the contract, you have to accept it. No negotiating. In fact, trying to negotiating a contract will only meet with an affront. It means that the company is actually on the right track and they see that they are doing the right thing...they are making money and all is well.
My regards to all of you who are trying to work in the environment but sadly this is a story that will continue to be replayed, over and over.
There are choices.
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You are so full of it Just like all the othe head hunters like Parc and Sigma pumping up Jet AirAirways we are tired of drinking the cool aid jerk off.
I just came from there and was not impressed after being lied to and mislead.
1. I was just given economy tickets two days before the interview so I had to pay top dollar for an airline ticket to the gateway. Mind you I had been waiting eight weeks for a damn interview date all about disorganized. My seats were in the last row next to the lavatory arrived at the hotel the Ramada Inn at one am in the morning and told at the front desk to be down stairs in five hours for a pick up. Talk about arriving fresh to Mumbai for an Interview.
And I was not reimbursed for my airline ticket 700 euros.
2. Any one that tavels to India needs to get a Visa well the Head hunters say that you get reimbursed for that and you dont plan on spending three hundred Euros out of your pocket for that.
3. And the most arrogant lie is they will pay for training is false the contract states that you have to go find your own training that offers training go do the recurrent pay for everything including the training, airfare, hotel and meals than after about three months after you are all checked out on the line only than you get paid what a crock of crap. JET AIRWAYS is pay to fly training for a wide body.
Any one thinking of going over don't waste your time your only going to waste your money for nothing and not get reimbursed, there are better options out there these fly by night head hunters need to run for the hills and the airline needs to open up its check book.
I just came from there and was not impressed after being lied to and mislead.
1. I was just given economy tickets two days before the interview so I had to pay top dollar for an airline ticket to the gateway. Mind you I had been waiting eight weeks for a damn interview date all about disorganized. My seats were in the last row next to the lavatory arrived at the hotel the Ramada Inn at one am in the morning and told at the front desk to be down stairs in five hours for a pick up. Talk about arriving fresh to Mumbai for an Interview.
And I was not reimbursed for my airline ticket 700 euros.
2. Any one that tavels to India needs to get a Visa well the Head hunters say that you get reimbursed for that and you dont plan on spending three hundred Euros out of your pocket for that.
3. And the most arrogant lie is they will pay for training is false the contract states that you have to go find your own training that offers training go do the recurrent pay for everything including the training, airfare, hotel and meals than after about three months after you are all checked out on the line only than you get paid what a crock of crap. JET AIRWAYS is pay to fly training for a wide body.
Any one thinking of going over don't waste your time your only going to waste your money for nothing and not get reimbursed, there are better options out there these fly by night head hunters need to run for the hills and the airline needs to open up its check book.
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Head Hunters....
Yup...the best employment agency is the one that is out of business. These people have no interest in looking after the pilot's interests. Once they have you signed...they get paid...and..the rest of the problems are yours.
Never again...
Never again...
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Morning Chaps
I'm hearing something similar to what's being said here. I don't think EY have yet decided officially what they will be doing with them. We have heard that they will be deployed on the YYZ and ORD routes. I'd imagine maybe this will be due to the close proximity of the pair and Jet will be able to open a North America Base. But who knows!
Wondered if anyone could confirm how many will be coming to AUH? And what will be happening with the rest of them? Will they still be staying on the DEL/BOM-LHR route?
OMAA
I'm hearing something similar to what's being said here. I don't think EY have yet decided officially what they will be doing with them. We have heard that they will be deployed on the YYZ and ORD routes. I'd imagine maybe this will be due to the close proximity of the pair and Jet will be able to open a North America Base. But who knows!
Wondered if anyone could confirm how many will be coming to AUH? And what will be happening with the rest of them? Will they still be staying on the DEL/BOM-LHR route?
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Hi Massager
I know from at least 3 folks that got reimbursed from the retraining costs (15ish K) just 2 weeks after signing the dotted line.
As per the ticket for the interview they are very clear about reimbursing up to 1k USD, which they honored as well.
And for your seat preference, sorry, but I dont think anyone nowadays will offer you a confirmed business seat for an interview, except maybe KAL.
But this is another story.
I wont call JET a bunch of liars.
Of course MANY things could be improved, beginning with the rotation itself.
Lastly, simulators can have problems on any single airline in the world.
As per the ticket for the interview they are very clear about reimbursing up to 1k USD, which they honored as well.
And for your seat preference, sorry, but I dont think anyone nowadays will offer you a confirmed business seat for an interview, except maybe KAL.
But this is another story.
I wont call JET a bunch of liars.
Of course MANY things could be improved, beginning with the rotation itself.
Lastly, simulators can have problems on any single airline in the world.
Latest rumours from various places seem to indicate that all IST based contract crew will be moved to AUH in June 2014..Jet A/C will then operate to The U.S. East Coast, five more 777s coming as well, with the possibility of a base on The U.S. East Coast, shades of 2007...
JFK base for 12 weeks on is way to long of a rotation for me?
When Turkish lease is over I guess it is time to go.
I will never make it to the bonus, life is to short.
When Turkish lease is over I guess it is time to go.
I will never make it to the bonus, life is to short.
wishful thinking would be an understatement ..........gettin tired of the VOBL visits
Don't get VOBL's, some BOM and DEL on the freighter though
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Your are right on they half the management there does not care for expats I got the cold shoulder you hold out your hand introducing yourself and they will not give you the time of day. I was there with two other captains one from Spain and the other the USA and they felt the same way about it.
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I will completely disagree with the above post. I have just finished my assessment and I have never felt more welcome. I am from the US and have lived in the sandpit for over 7 years and it was refreshing to see handshakes all around, several other company check rides were going on and I was introduced to everyone and they were very receptive to me. It is nice to see relaxed check airmen and a friendly atmosphere in the sim. Good luck to anyone else going over. See you in ORD or JFK!
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Per Jet the 700 PIC in type is a DGCA requirement. Many current Jet 737 expats made the same enquiry.
I wonder if Jet accepts Captains NTR on B777, but with +10k TT?
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While not EY or 9W, there are airlines that hire into the triple without time on type. KAL, for example, will hire DECs provided they have previous wide body experience within a specified period of time.
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Can anyone presently operating the Jet Airways lease to Turkish airline kindly pm me, I need the job and am slated to start and need genuine facts and figure both about conditions of lease, istanbul pay, commuting and hotels please
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Well they are sure as he'll not trying to damn hard I was there and they shot three captains flying with well known other carriers, and to boot they don't reimburse you any visa expenses which anyone that goes over has to shell out over three hundred Euros and the plane ticket to get to there gateway.
It's not worth pissing away all that money for an outfit that is wishy washy.
All these recruiting agencies are so full of it painting this operation all rosy hell they could sell ice to an Eskimo.
It's not worth pissing away all that money for an outfit that is wishy washy.
All these recruiting agencies are so full of it painting this operation all rosy hell they could sell ice to an Eskimo.
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I used to work for Jet in 2007-2010, was in first batch of 777 drivers who join Jet in March 2007, so I guess, I can answer some of your questions regarding past experience with Jet. Also I was in BOM a few weeks ago on the layover and spoke to Mr. Menon - GM Planning at Jet about this US bases contract. So I can give you first hand information. It's another story if you can trust everything he said, it's "Incredible India" after all, but in my experience K.B.Menon was one of the most straightforward, knowlegible and fair of all those Jet officials who dealed with expats.
Can Jet back up the promise of three year renewable contracts - is there any law or regulation prohibiting them from extending a three year contract.
Jet, in 2007, offered us a 3 year renewable contracts with 12 days on/9 days off roster, 30 days annual leave and 5 star accommodation, but after being hit quite badly in 2008 crisis with the fuel prices skyrocketed, Jet gradually reduce annual leave to 15 days and hotel quality went down considerably. Also it was a 15 days delay in paychecks but they restored it back to normal after about a year. The rest of the contract was honored to the last letter until Jet dry leased 777 to THY and THAI to survive, and terminated our contracts. For the last 3 months we were sitting at home, fully paid, doing nothing but just waiting for further developments. So I can say that Jet treated me quite fair. If I missed something, whoever has a better memory, please feel free to correct me. Anyway, now with all the UAE money backing them, Jet is in much better financial shape and plans to expand dramatically with AUH hub. Menon told me that JFK, EWR and ORD bases will be operated for sure and after they evaluate initial results, plans are to expand further. The only thing which might remotely limit 3 year contract is a deadline set by Indian government to get rid of expats in Indian Aviation by the end of 2016. But I've already lived through 2 deadlines before. Everybody in aviation community here understand that this is a trick to pacify general public and unions and deadline would be extended again and again for another at least 10 years.
One of its shareholders prefers to have its pilots based in its home country.
No idea what you talking about. You are employed by Indian Airline which pays Indian taxes on your behalf, and your base would be wherever your contract with this Indian Airline states.
Jet, to my knowledge, have 10 B773ERs. Are they going to stay in Jet registrations or will they be wet leased to one of its shareholders.
It'll be Indian registration, so you'll require a Indian validation-FATA and Indian medical. Also it'd be Indian DGCA FDTL rules.
Does anyone have practical experience with the reciprocal tax treaty?
Yes, actually it works quite good with Revenue Canada. Each month you'll get a statement with all your salary numbers including Indian taxes paid on your behalf and by the end of the year you'll get a summary of all numbers. Also you'll get a plastic card with Indian taxpayer number. All that paperwork was quite sufficient to deal with Revenue Canada and after minor adjustments from their side I only did paid the difference- a few %, roughly 2-3 grands a year. In US it works pretty much the same way with some local particularities( talk to your tax advisor). As far as I know, our EU friends, Aussies and Kiwis were quite happy also.
Does anyone have practical knowledge of how the rosters worked in the past, and how they might, or are proposed to work with these contracts. If you operate out of your base, there's 28 hours, and that leaves 52 for the rest of the month. Unless they plan to leave you in a hotel (cost) or put you on night turnarounds, it would seem that you could have quite a bit of time off during your six weeks on.
Menon told me that it'd be only JFK-AUH-JFK run, 4 days on( including 26 hours of flying +48 hours layover at AUH) / 5 days off at JFK(DGCA FDTL requirements). Then repeat. Hotel at AUH and either hotel or $1800 per month allowance at JFK, your choice. After 5 roundtrips (45 days) you'll have two weeks at home. That's the general idea but reality could be a bit different.
Hopefully I was able to answer some of your questions and to put some clarity on overall situation there. Good luck.
Can Jet back up the promise of three year renewable contracts - is there any law or regulation prohibiting them from extending a three year contract.
Jet, in 2007, offered us a 3 year renewable contracts with 12 days on/9 days off roster, 30 days annual leave and 5 star accommodation, but after being hit quite badly in 2008 crisis with the fuel prices skyrocketed, Jet gradually reduce annual leave to 15 days and hotel quality went down considerably. Also it was a 15 days delay in paychecks but they restored it back to normal after about a year. The rest of the contract was honored to the last letter until Jet dry leased 777 to THY and THAI to survive, and terminated our contracts. For the last 3 months we were sitting at home, fully paid, doing nothing but just waiting for further developments. So I can say that Jet treated me quite fair. If I missed something, whoever has a better memory, please feel free to correct me. Anyway, now with all the UAE money backing them, Jet is in much better financial shape and plans to expand dramatically with AUH hub. Menon told me that JFK, EWR and ORD bases will be operated for sure and after they evaluate initial results, plans are to expand further. The only thing which might remotely limit 3 year contract is a deadline set by Indian government to get rid of expats in Indian Aviation by the end of 2016. But I've already lived through 2 deadlines before. Everybody in aviation community here understand that this is a trick to pacify general public and unions and deadline would be extended again and again for another at least 10 years.
One of its shareholders prefers to have its pilots based in its home country.
No idea what you talking about. You are employed by Indian Airline which pays Indian taxes on your behalf, and your base would be wherever your contract with this Indian Airline states.
Jet, to my knowledge, have 10 B773ERs. Are they going to stay in Jet registrations or will they be wet leased to one of its shareholders.
It'll be Indian registration, so you'll require a Indian validation-FATA and Indian medical. Also it'd be Indian DGCA FDTL rules.
Does anyone have practical experience with the reciprocal tax treaty?
Yes, actually it works quite good with Revenue Canada. Each month you'll get a statement with all your salary numbers including Indian taxes paid on your behalf and by the end of the year you'll get a summary of all numbers. Also you'll get a plastic card with Indian taxpayer number. All that paperwork was quite sufficient to deal with Revenue Canada and after minor adjustments from their side I only did paid the difference- a few %, roughly 2-3 grands a year. In US it works pretty much the same way with some local particularities( talk to your tax advisor). As far as I know, our EU friends, Aussies and Kiwis were quite happy also.
Does anyone have practical knowledge of how the rosters worked in the past, and how they might, or are proposed to work with these contracts. If you operate out of your base, there's 28 hours, and that leaves 52 for the rest of the month. Unless they plan to leave you in a hotel (cost) or put you on night turnarounds, it would seem that you could have quite a bit of time off during your six weeks on.
Menon told me that it'd be only JFK-AUH-JFK run, 4 days on( including 26 hours of flying +48 hours layover at AUH) / 5 days off at JFK(DGCA FDTL requirements). Then repeat. Hotel at AUH and either hotel or $1800 per month allowance at JFK, your choice. After 5 roundtrips (45 days) you'll have two weeks at home. That's the general idea but reality could be a bit different.
Hopefully I was able to answer some of your questions and to put some clarity on overall situation there. Good luck.
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Newest Jet airways info..
I just got this email from from FCI (flight crew international) It seems Jet has added a nice housing allowance on top of the contract...se you boys in May!
I have done the screening and have been hired so if you need any more info that I haven't put on here before please pm me..
Dear Captain,
We are pleased to inform you that Jet Airways is now offering USD 19,500.00/year in housing allowance for B777 Captains based in JFK, ORD, and AUH.
This will increase your guaranteed annual pay to USD 175,500.00/net + Per Diem + Overtime.
Please send us your CV with your B777 flying experience if you would like to attend screenings.
Reminder, this is a commuting contract and Captains will have the choice of being based at any of the following locations:
1) New York (JFK)
2) Chicago (ORD)
3) Abu Dhabi (AUH)
4) Mumbai (BOM)
5) Istanbul (IST) – till end of June 2014 (completion of wet lease with Turkish Airlines)
Attached please find the full contract details. The contract highlights are as follows:
§ US $175,500.00/net annual pay + per diem + overtime
§ Taxes in India paid on your behalf – USA & many countries have a Double Taxation Avoidance Treaty with India
§ 6 weeks ON / 3 weeks OFF – you can have two periods of such roster as you can pair your annual leave with your days-off in one week increments
§ Days-off do not include travel time
§ 3-year Renewable Contract
§ Fly up to the age of 65
§ Travel on Jet Airways, Etihad, and Turkish Airlines on days-off + Allowance for your Commute Home
§ Maximum time away from base only 2-3 days
Thank you and kind regards,
Aasiya Shaikh
Flight Crew International
T: 1-214-705-7979
F: 1-214-705-7927
E: [email protected]
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I have done the screening and have been hired so if you need any more info that I haven't put on here before please pm me..
Dear Captain,
We are pleased to inform you that Jet Airways is now offering USD 19,500.00/year in housing allowance for B777 Captains based in JFK, ORD, and AUH.
This will increase your guaranteed annual pay to USD 175,500.00/net + Per Diem + Overtime.
Please send us your CV with your B777 flying experience if you would like to attend screenings.
Reminder, this is a commuting contract and Captains will have the choice of being based at any of the following locations:
1) New York (JFK)
2) Chicago (ORD)
3) Abu Dhabi (AUH)
4) Mumbai (BOM)
5) Istanbul (IST) – till end of June 2014 (completion of wet lease with Turkish Airlines)
Attached please find the full contract details. The contract highlights are as follows:
§ US $175,500.00/net annual pay + per diem + overtime
§ Taxes in India paid on your behalf – USA & many countries have a Double Taxation Avoidance Treaty with India
§ 6 weeks ON / 3 weeks OFF – you can have two periods of such roster as you can pair your annual leave with your days-off in one week increments
§ Days-off do not include travel time
§ 3-year Renewable Contract
§ Fly up to the age of 65
§ Travel on Jet Airways, Etihad, and Turkish Airlines on days-off + Allowance for your Commute Home
§ Maximum time away from base only 2-3 days
Thank you and kind regards,
Aasiya Shaikh
Flight Crew International
T: 1-214-705-7979
F: 1-214-705-7927
E: [email protected]
Pilot Jobs | Flight Crew | Flight Crew International | Texas