Jet Airways B777 recruitment?
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zlin77 Depends if you have a family...!!
“Dam son” that’s really sad.
Now if Jet Airways can find 99 more sad B777 Captains without families, homes, and a life. Or say 50 that are willing to risk their family.
Is it true that the old terms at Jet Airways for the Expat B777 Captains and First Officers where a rotation of 11 days ON and 7 days off roster pattern? You were given 30days paid leave in 12 months.
Didn’t you also have your accommodation in your base full time even when you where in away on time off.
This allows you to setup some kind of life when at work.
“Was it not your request to select a longer rotations to spend longer times away from India on your off time?”
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Initially in 2007 Jet offered 8 days on 7 off....this was a little unworkable and was changed a few times, I think it ended up 12/9........New Zealanders and myself did 6 weeks/2 weeks, as the commute was too long for the shorter rotations...remember a lot of those guys were based in London/Brussels/New York...and were able to be home in a few hours...with the new wet lease Istanbul based there will certainly be an opportunity for European Pilots to sneak home between trips....
I've been in the expat contract world for nearly 13 years....it's not perfect, but if you want a flying job it's what you do....for anyone coming from a major carrier in The Western World, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT.....remember we are all prostitutes here in "The Real World"...forget about having bid rights for trips,having a choice in your days off, accept the long time away from home, forget EVERYTHING from your previous airline, just shut-up, dress neatly, be early and be very, very polite..if you can do that you will most likely fit in to most Airlines that will employ you..if you don't like that, stay well away...
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Fortunately for Jet there are many cheaply available retirees, living on fat pensions, eager to give anything to get strapped on a flight deck again.
They don't care if they need to pay for their type rating, if it's 6 x 2, 20 x 1, or about family. They just want to make some extra cash. That's all.
At least 90% of the more recently contracted drivers are from this group.
They don't care if they need to pay for their type rating, if it's 6 x 2, 20 x 1, or about family. They just want to make some extra cash. That's all.
At least 90% of the more recently contracted drivers are from this group.
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Serious question:
- When employed under this contract, could you actually rent a place in Istanbul? Under what status? Employment contract? Working permit?
- Could your dependents legally live with you ?
(Not talking about money for once, but legal status)
- When employed under this contract, could you actually rent a place in Istanbul? Under what status? Employment contract? Working permit?
- Could your dependents legally live with you ?
(Not talking about money for once, but legal status)
gb777....as you will be working for Jet Airways you would not hold A Turkish Work Permit, you would normally enter and leave as crew on the G.D...however, your family can come and visit as required, a multiple entry 90 day tourist visa is I think USD $60..I believe there are limits as to how long you can stay in 12 months, an apartment is a possibility but they can be expensive.
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Some of us need to learn the lessons in a hard way, let the desperates pay for their ppc. Jump a few hurdles and get stuck here. 'DGCA delaying med test parity policy'demand med tests for foreign crew - Times Of India
At this time expats have visited the Butchers of Bangalore 3 or 4 times. Before going off to IAM BLR, one visits the local hospital... Thorough examination with EKG, Stress Test, Blood Test, Sonogram! X-ray for 7500 Rupees, about $138 USD. Where in the US can one get all that testing on the cheap? Company MD at your base signs off the report and off to Bangalore for the experience of a life time. Some have experienced horrors beyond the imagination the sane. Some have sailed straight through. Some Were TMUed and got themselves into shape at home, came back and issued their certificates. As long as the numbers from the bolls tests are within specific ranges, no issues. Any past surgeries or scars??? can range from a minor to a major issue.
At the end of the day, it beats the Chinese CAAC Medical hands down. Starting this summer, expats will be able to renew their medicals with private physicians.
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Again, very old and melodramatic news. There are many posts on PPRUNe concerning this miscreant. There are good FAA AMEs throughout India. Check with expat pilots with Spice, Indo, Air India Express, and Jet.
Guess what..... There are crappy AMEs all over the world, yes, including the US
I've done expat contracts in many countries. It is common to submit to local Aero Medicals too. Some used the same procedures in India too.
It is an unpleasant arduous experience for first time expats. Almost a babe in the woods feeling. Just another hurdle.
Guess what..... There are crappy AMEs all over the world, yes, including the USI've done expat contracts in many countries. It is common to submit to local Aero Medicals too. Some used the same procedures in India too.
It is an unpleasant arduous experience for first time expats. Almost a babe in the woods feeling. Just another hurdle.
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@marvelman
captjns is spot on
This particular doctor was also a DGCA Class 2 examiner . He has been barred for life from operating as Medical examiner for the DGCA and from the news article above for the FAA as well
This topic was also discussed extensively on pprune
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...new-delhi.html
captjns is spot on
This particular doctor was also a DGCA Class 2 examiner . He has been barred for life from operating as Medical examiner for the DGCA and from the news article above for the FAA as well
This topic was also discussed extensively on pprune
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...new-delhi.html
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Marvelman, perhaps many of my colleagues, also expats, would disagree with your assertion. All you've contributed are two media items two years after the fact relating to the Indian Medical. Enlighten me Marvelman. Kindly elaborate on subject matters to which I am in the dark about... without outdated news articles please.
We are willing to read about your experiences with the Indian Commercial Airline Sector. Do share with this forum your first hand experience from the assessment process, DGCA interview, Air Law exam, training and checking process, per-medical, and actual visit to IAM-BLR.
Share with us your actual experiences as an expat relating to the selection, training, and medical process.
At the end of the day, expats can share, compare, and laugh about one another's experience. But one expat gig an expat does not make.
We are willing to read about your experiences with the Indian Commercial Airline Sector. Do share with this forum your first hand experience from the assessment process, DGCA interview, Air Law exam, training and checking process, per-medical, and actual visit to IAM-BLR.
Share with us your actual experiences as an expat relating to the selection, training, and medical process.
At the end of the day, expats can share, compare, and laugh about one another's experience. But one expat gig an expat does not make.
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Thanks OBP. I am setting the record straight about the Indian Medical Process only, and not about the B777 program.
As I am not familiar with the T & Cs, It would be improper for me to comment. I have learned to take the word of the recruiter at face value.
Many recruiters are nothing more than modern day "Shanghai Artists"... have the applicant sign on with carrier from hell, collect their commission, and off into oblivion no where to be found to resolve any issues. I was lucky to learn this fact of expatting some 20 years ago after my second overseas operation. Atbthe end of the day It's up to the candidate to perform their due diligence when researching any potential contracts abroad. Again, the recruiter's words need to be taken at face value.
Their was no intent on my behalf on offending others on this particular thread, as trolling or flaming serves no useful purpose.
As I am not familiar with the T & Cs, It would be improper for me to comment. I have learned to take the word of the recruiter at face value.
Many recruiters are nothing more than modern day "Shanghai Artists"... have the applicant sign on with carrier from hell, collect their commission, and off into oblivion no where to be found to resolve any issues. I was lucky to learn this fact of expatting some 20 years ago after my second overseas operation. Atbthe end of the day It's up to the candidate to perform their due diligence when researching any potential contracts abroad. Again, the recruiter's words need to be taken at face value.
Their was no intent on my behalf on offending others on this particular thread, as trolling or flaming serves no useful purpose.
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Deja Vue...
Good gosh, this discussion brings back something close to Critical Incident Stress Syndrome. Having been through their 777 process back in 2010, wet leased out..then laid off and lied to, its all the same.
Anyone who'd be willing to put themselves through this needs to go and see the Indo-Doc for a head reading...seriously...Once the signature is on the page, the conditions will change. Believe it.
Anyone who'd be willing to put themselves through this needs to go and see the Indo-Doc for a head reading...seriously...Once the signature is on the page, the conditions will change. Believe it.
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6 x 2 rotation
Only political pressure or the most stubborn stupidity could justify this punishing rotation.
There's no logic reason for that whatsoever.
Many airlines employing expats on long haul (THY and KAL come to mind) for quite some time are very happy re productivity etc on rotation 20 days on 10 days off.
A funny explanation is that the local pilots would be 'jealous' about the expats having too much 'priviledges', so they press the management to enforce this punishing rotation.
Tipically the expats spend much more time sitting at the hotel than involved on duty rest/flight activities. Complete nonsense.
There's no logic reason for that whatsoever.
Many airlines employing expats on long haul (THY and KAL come to mind) for quite some time are very happy re productivity etc on rotation 20 days on 10 days off.
A funny explanation is that the local pilots would be 'jealous' about the expats having too much 'priviledges', so they press the management to enforce this punishing rotation.
Tipically the expats spend much more time sitting at the hotel than involved on duty rest/flight activities. Complete nonsense.
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Dgca deadline??
The DGCA deadlines in India live up to their name. they die
India holds back plans to eject foreign pilots | Business Standard
"The move will benefit Jet Airways (India) Ltd, which plans to hire about 70 foreign pilots for its Boeing 777s."
"Jet plans to recruit about 70 foreign pilots for its three Boeing 777-300ERs. The airline plans to wet-lease them to Turkish Airlines for a year and does not have enough commanders on its rolls to operate these. The aircraft are currently on lease to Thai Airways and will return this year."
"This is not the first time the government is extending its deadline. It had set July 2010 as a deadline to phase out expat pilots, but then revised it to July 2011 and then to 2013, giving a reprieve to domestic airlines."
India holds back plans to eject foreign pilots | Business Standard
"The move will benefit Jet Airways (India) Ltd, which plans to hire about 70 foreign pilots for its Boeing 777s."
"Jet plans to recruit about 70 foreign pilots for its three Boeing 777-300ERs. The airline plans to wet-lease them to Turkish Airlines for a year and does not have enough commanders on its rolls to operate these. The aircraft are currently on lease to Thai Airways and will return this year."
"This is not the first time the government is extending its deadline. It had set July 2010 as a deadline to phase out expat pilots, but then revised it to July 2011 and then to 2013, giving a reprieve to domestic airlines."
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The reasons for this massive intake of pilots is manifold.Many of the Jet 777s will now be wetleased to Etihad and also possibly 330s too.This is part of the deal that is being worked out between the two carriers.In my earlier post I had criticised Jet's knee jerk hiring and firing policies.The reason for this is because if the deal goes sour then all you guys hired , stand to be fired.And the chances of the deal going sour , according to yours truly , are pretty bright.
Just to clarify...THY require a JAR/EASA Licence..whereas Jet will give you an Indian Validation on most ICAO Licences...for someone who has retired and just wants 12 months extra employment ,it gives you a chance to escape the dragon at home and get paid to do it...And remember THY pay in Turkish Lire not USD,four years ago USD$1=1.5 YTL..now it's 1.8 YTL, so about a 20% pay drop in USD terms...
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