Jet Airways B777 recruitment?
Current offering for UK based 777 DEC is 11,000USD pm, Indian tax paid, working 11 on/ 7 off pattern. One months annual leave, up to 12 days sick leave. Still awaiting reimbursment of screening travel expenses incurred in Nov 2007.
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It is low dollars because it's for the underclass - check the maximum age for Jet and compare to the age limit for the Chinese contracts. If you listen carefully there is the distinct rasping sound of a barrel-bottom being scraped.
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You may make less up front, but the tax treaty for US pilots allows you to not have to pay taxes in the US while still filing taxes. The overage paid in Indian taxes can be used to offset capital gains and other taxes incurred in the US, for most pilots of course. No foreign accounts no needing to be out of the country for x amount of days.
Jet also treats you very well, has beautiful equipment and great maintenance. Your also treated with respect. Not fined, berated by management, not nickeled and dimed out of your paycheck. They have been late a couple of times on pay but never later than the 16th. If your still living paycheck to paycheck at this level in your career you need to seek professional financial help. This is a pretty good gig if your not to hung up on Needing to be paid on the same day every month or having a set schedule that never changes. If your able to negotiate well and go with the flow jet is good, if not stay away.
Jet also treats you very well, has beautiful equipment and great maintenance. Your also treated with respect. Not fined, berated by management, not nickeled and dimed out of your paycheck. They have been late a couple of times on pay but never later than the 16th. If your still living paycheck to paycheck at this level in your career you need to seek professional financial help. This is a pretty good gig if your not to hung up on Needing to be paid on the same day every month or having a set schedule that never changes. If your able to negotiate well and go with the flow jet is good, if not stay away.
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Yes, but...
It use to be a very good contract, but now only consider it if you're desperate:
- too much time away from home (not a problem if you don't care about time with family), stuck in a Hotel in Mumbai on endless standbys, terrible city
- low salary;
- has been delayed for 15+ days for the latest 3 months;
" Not fined, berated by management, not nickeled and dimed out of your paycheck." - no true.
This is from a very well informed insider: stay away.
- too much time away from home (not a problem if you don't care about time with family), stuck in a Hotel in Mumbai on endless standbys, terrible city
- low salary;
- has been delayed for 15+ days for the latest 3 months;
" Not fined, berated by management, not nickeled and dimed out of your paycheck." - no true.
This is from a very well informed insider: stay away.
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well said, in addition, their management style is to furlough you mid contract.
unless you have no alternative, give it a miss.
its the over 60 guys, who they feel want a final fling, and they can get cheap, is who they want
unless you have no alternative, give it a miss.
its the over 60 guys, who they feel want a final fling, and they can get cheap, is who they want
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My son is a atr captain their now and they haven't been later than the 15 th this year. Please stay objective and don't lie.
big tax advantage if your tax guy knows what is going on with the treaty.
In four years he has been treated with nothing but respect. When I retired from there 4 years ago they treated me with nothing but respect.
They will change the contract without notice and the 77 guys are definitely on the hook to go first at a moments notice. And living in bom is really crappy if you have too, but the wide body guys generally aren't there that much. Do tell how you were berated, or nickeled out of money, or fined? I would like to hear this story. Most of the guys I saw having problems created their own problems by thinking they were still flying at delta, or united. If you have an I'm a king captain complex stay away you won't make it, you have to be a go with the flow type. Airlines don't run in foreign countrys like they do in the US.
big tax advantage if your tax guy knows what is going on with the treaty.
In four years he has been treated with nothing but respect. When I retired from there 4 years ago they treated me with nothing but respect.
They will change the contract without notice and the 77 guys are definitely on the hook to go first at a moments notice. And living in bom is really crappy if you have too, but the wide body guys generally aren't there that much. Do tell how you were berated, or nickeled out of money, or fined? I would like to hear this story. Most of the guys I saw having problems created their own problems by thinking they were still flying at delta, or united. If you have an I'm a king captain complex stay away you won't make it, you have to be a go with the flow type. Airlines don't run in foreign countrys like they do in the US.
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Couldn't say it any better.
Unfortunately, from his other posts, it looks like "Driver" is way too fast on the trigger in calling others "liars". I humbly suggest him a better attitude in order to preserve his credibility.
Nobody is too old that cannot learn something.
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Old bold, I don't think fullforward is a 777 capt. from jet and he is the one stating 15 + days late on the pay, and that managment fines, berates the pilots, so please don't take the previous post as a shot against the 777 guys. Usually one bad apple causes most of the problems. Fullforward has an obvious ax to grind as you can see by his previous posts. 20 days late for the second month
.. Is not even close to accurate and an obvious lie!
I know for a fact the pay has been delivered on the 15 th for the last two months, so we can say embellished a bit instead of lie if that makes you feel better. Fullforward, I call it like I see it, if it's not true it's a lie. I have no problem letting other readers know facts don't back up the statements made. I worked with many a pilot who did nothing but complain about the contract, but for some reason never left until they were forced to leave. They are the vocal ones, most of the happy guys never report on pprune. There are good points about these contracts. If you read pprune all these contracts are horrible with absolutely no upside, we all know it's about the right fit.
As I stated before problems in India have always been high, even four years ago the wide body guys were as they are today the first to be pushed from the company due to local guys wanting to fly the biggest and most prestigious in the fleet, but where exactly do you feel safe and free from problems as an expat? Your in a foreign country flying, not on a seniority system with western unions of the 70s. If life is so great at home fly there, but we all know how great the unions protected our pensions and how great life is in western aviation. Korean, Chinese, middle east, India, Japan, south America, Africa, all have contracts and as you read this forum every contract stinks and has countless problems, it's just the world expats face and you either find a good match that fits or go home. Jet always pays, very easy (long, disorganized), but easy training, very little managment interference, good hotels for the most part, and extremely nice cabin crews who treat you with so much respect, excellent equipment and maintenance. It has it's problems, but please tell me what gig out there is the holy grail of contracts with no problems.
.. Is not even close to accurate and an obvious lie!I know for a fact the pay has been delivered on the 15 th for the last two months, so we can say embellished a bit instead of lie if that makes you feel better. Fullforward, I call it like I see it, if it's not true it's a lie. I have no problem letting other readers know facts don't back up the statements made. I worked with many a pilot who did nothing but complain about the contract, but for some reason never left until they were forced to leave. They are the vocal ones, most of the happy guys never report on pprune. There are good points about these contracts. If you read pprune all these contracts are horrible with absolutely no upside, we all know it's about the right fit.
As I stated before problems in India have always been high, even four years ago the wide body guys were as they are today the first to be pushed from the company due to local guys wanting to fly the biggest and most prestigious in the fleet, but where exactly do you feel safe and free from problems as an expat? Your in a foreign country flying, not on a seniority system with western unions of the 70s. If life is so great at home fly there, but we all know how great the unions protected our pensions and how great life is in western aviation. Korean, Chinese, middle east, India, Japan, south America, Africa, all have contracts and as you read this forum every contract stinks and has countless problems, it's just the world expats face and you either find a good match that fits or go home. Jet always pays, very easy (long, disorganized), but easy training, very little managment interference, good hotels for the most part, and extremely nice cabin crews who treat you with so much respect, excellent equipment and maintenance. It has it's problems, but please tell me what gig out there is the holy grail of contracts with no problems.
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Jet is probably the best of the lot in India. Are they perfect? No... but who is. After whining is a part of being an airline pilot. No micro-management of trips either. Pay was pretty much on time in December. About a week late in January and on of course paid on the 15th in February. But not as stated by Fullfoward. Bank transfers from Indian banks to overseas accounts are not in the control of jet Airways either.
Some first time expats have trouble adjusting to different cultures and parts of the world. I look at it as an adventure. What can one say that's bad about the Taj, Marriot or Oberois hotels?
I've never heard of Jet Airways fining anyone. One will sacrifice a bit of pay, understandably so, should they take personal leave beyond their allotted time off, without pay. If anyone personally experienced such an action, please chime in... no "I heard it from a friend who works at 7-11 or Tescos".
Great cabin crew and very enthusiastic F/Os when given the chance to prove themselves. One will definitely not starve at Jet Airways either.
Are there better places to be? Probably. Are there worse places to be? Most definitely.
Just my thoughts.
Some first time expats have trouble adjusting to different cultures and parts of the world. I look at it as an adventure. What can one say that's bad about the Taj, Marriot or Oberois hotels?
I've never heard of Jet Airways fining anyone. One will sacrifice a bit of pay, understandably so, should they take personal leave beyond their allotted time off, without pay. If anyone personally experienced such an action, please chime in... no "I heard it from a friend who works at 7-11 or Tescos".
Great cabin crew and very enthusiastic F/Os when given the chance to prove themselves. One will definitely not starve at Jet Airways either.
Are there better places to be? Probably. Are there worse places to be? Most definitely.
Just my thoughts.
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YES
I confirm: a number of pilots received their salaries with more than 15 days delay, for one reason or another. What makes 'driver' a liar. To prove my point I would have to expose third parties, which I obviously won't do here. But this is totally irrelevant.
For the third consecutive month the company is delaying salaries, it can happen. The bad thing is they simply didn't bother to give notice to the pilots until the last minute. Which shows at least a level of disregard for their workforce.
Like captjins well said, it's an "adventure" ( by the way, whish you good luck on your Skymark interview)
But not everybody is a rich old fart living on a good pension that it doesn't make a difference if salary comes 15, 30 or more days late. Some guys simply need the money on time to pay the bills.
I won't reply to types like 'driver' anymore: he looks to have the typical agenda of despicable management boot lickers. Son is ATR capt? Well maybe he owes some favors: the boy is underqualified/incompetent to have a job in homeland and got a position with Jet, who knows?
The botom line is Jet used to have one of the best contracts in the market. Then they discovered a cheap source: some fat cats, living on good retirement pensions, fed up of the golf course or of being bashed by wife and grand sons. Then they happily swallow anything that would strap them again on a flight deck, to enjoy more few years, back to flying. Those guys spoilt the market. They hardly deserve respect as they are moved by greed or because family don't want them around. Of course there are the ones who badly needs the job.
We've seen a lot of moaning and bitching here about conditions degrading, everywhere. Who are the culprits? The pilots, of course! We've been selling ourselves like cheap w....s
And we are still far away from the botom.
For the third consecutive month the company is delaying salaries, it can happen. The bad thing is they simply didn't bother to give notice to the pilots until the last minute. Which shows at least a level of disregard for their workforce.
Like captjins well said, it's an "adventure" ( by the way, whish you good luck on your Skymark interview
)But not everybody is a rich old fart living on a good pension that it doesn't make a difference if salary comes 15, 30 or more days late. Some guys simply need the money on time to pay the bills.
I won't reply to types like 'driver' anymore: he looks to have the typical agenda of despicable management boot lickers. Son is ATR capt? Well maybe he owes some favors: the boy is underqualified/incompetent to have a job in homeland and got a position with Jet, who knows?
The botom line is Jet used to have one of the best contracts in the market. Then they discovered a cheap source: some fat cats, living on good retirement pensions, fed up of the golf course or of being bashed by wife and grand sons. Then they happily swallow anything that would strap them again on a flight deck, to enjoy more few years, back to flying. Those guys spoilt the market. They hardly deserve respect as they are moved by greed or because family don't want them around. Of course there are the ones who badly needs the job.
We've seen a lot of moaning and bitching here about conditions degrading, everywhere. Who are the culprits? The pilots, of course! We've been selling ourselves like cheap w....s
And we are still far away from the botom.
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Why would only some pilots get paid later than the 15th? That makes no sense at all? Your just making stuff up fullforward. My son is flying the atr for jet because he makes what senior captains make at legacy carriers in the states, and i flew at jet for 3 years and encouraged him to try it. Pretty simple economics.
I think he did call you fat OBP, just exposed his true charactor. The CIA act is old and obviously his "source", is wrong. I doubt your source would get fired for exposing jet is paying the pilots on the 15th again for the third month, my son and three 73 buddies that still work in bombay got emails stating they were to be paid on 15th 3 days ago. It's no secret jet is paying pilots and upper managment late for a few months this is hardly news or secret.
Full you are defenatly full of it and your anger and obvious rants that the expats at jet are bottom feeders of the industries along with personal attacks on my family show your true character.
OBP, it is a different beast now, I remember getting paid before the first some months. Growing pains I guess, they seem to always pay though, which hopefully continues for the gents still flying.
I think he did call you fat OBP, just exposed his true charactor. The CIA act is old and obviously his "source", is wrong. I doubt your source would get fired for exposing jet is paying the pilots on the 15th again for the third month, my son and three 73 buddies that still work in bombay got emails stating they were to be paid on 15th 3 days ago. It's no secret jet is paying pilots and upper managment late for a few months this is hardly news or secret.
Full you are defenatly full of it and your anger and obvious rants that the expats at jet are bottom feeders of the industries along with personal attacks on my family show your true character.
OBP, it is a different beast now, I remember getting paid before the first some months. Growing pains I guess, they seem to always pay though, which hopefully continues for the gents still flying.
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Still a looming question is why does Jet Airways needs B777 captains to stay in BOM for 6 weeks?
No food allowance or daily perdiem when you are at your base hotel.