Jet Airways B777 recruitment?
No Dragon to escape at home..I left her 25 years ago....remember this is only a short term contract 1 year, 12 months, 365 days...if you want to go flying, do it on their terms or not at all....if it doesn't suit, forget it entirely...as I have said earlier we are all prostitutes in this contract game and the high moral ground will change nothing..
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Thanks to people like you our career has been spiraling down disgustingly for the latest 15 years.
For people like you shame, dignity, honor, pride are meaningless words.
As for being prostitutes do not judge the others by your own rules and "values".
For people like you shame, dignity, honor, pride are meaningless words.
As for being prostitutes do not judge the others by your own rules and "values".
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Jet Pilots' body against extension of deadline for expat pilots
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Deja vu for the umpteenth time.
Bulk of the 737 pilots terminated in Aug. & Sept. last year. Talk of the rest gone by year's end.
No more expat A330 skippers as of last fall.
Same with a few ATR skippers being terminated too. More to go as more FOs get their command on the ATR.
The 777 group will also become extinct as skippers transition from the baby Boeing. That however will happen at a much slowe pace than with the other fleets.
There is career progression at Jet as they promote FOs to the left seat, and they are hiring 100 FOs off the street, another omission from the article. That said, India is not known for its accuracy and fact checking as it comes to its print media.
Bulk of the 737 pilots terminated in Aug. & Sept. last year. Talk of the rest gone by year's end.
No more expat A330 skippers as of last fall.
Same with a few ATR skippers being terminated too. More to go as more FOs get their command on the ATR.
The 777 group will also become extinct as skippers transition from the baby Boeing. That however will happen at a much slowe pace than with the other fleets.
There is career progression at Jet as they promote FOs to the left seat, and they are hiring 100 FOs off the street, another omission from the article. That said, India is not known for its accuracy and fact checking as it comes to its print media.
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This make evident how the local pilots, with the help of local media, are shortsighted: there's no jobs enough for the simple reason that the international air traffic in India is 70% dominated by international carriers ( namely ME carriers) and there's no any goverment policy to protect and improve the local airlines (except support the huge mammouth Air India at the expense of taxpayers).
It's not a few dozen of expats that will make any difference on jobs availability for the young Indian CPL holder.
As always, the locals aim their guns on the wrong direction...
It's not a few dozen of expats that will make any difference on jobs availability for the young Indian CPL holder.
As always, the locals aim their guns on the wrong direction...
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The pilot body will influence and question decisions which affect them directly. It really isn't their place to question and/or influence higher level policy decisions. Way beyond their pay grade. These higher level decisions are better left to the ballot box. Even if their intentions were to try to steer the nations aviation policy in a certain direction, best to pick low hanging fruit ie FATA extensions, before moving to bigger issues.
What's holding up career progression for locals is limited training resources. Easier and more efficient to hire expats to fill the gap.
The days of expats in India are slowly but surely coming to an end, if it isn't obvious already. When I flew as an FO in one of the LCC's between '06 and '09, the expat-local captain ratio was almost 50/50. Now they have terminated all expat contracts and are solely relying on local crews. The local supply has caught up with the dwindling demand and the inevitable has happened. No point in blaming the local guys for their actions. It was only a matter of time.
I do, however, take exception to the fact fudging that is so prevalent in Indian aviation. It isn't easy to move shop for expats, and often they are treated as dispensable labour with no long term consideration for their well being. I guess it comes with the territory.
Good luck to all.
What's holding up career progression for locals is limited training resources. Easier and more efficient to hire expats to fill the gap.
The days of expats in India are slowly but surely coming to an end, if it isn't obvious already. When I flew as an FO in one of the LCC's between '06 and '09, the expat-local captain ratio was almost 50/50. Now they have terminated all expat contracts and are solely relying on local crews. The local supply has caught up with the dwindling demand and the inevitable has happened. No point in blaming the local guys for their actions. It was only a matter of time.
I do, however, take exception to the fact fudging that is so prevalent in Indian aviation. It isn't easy to move shop for expats, and often they are treated as dispensable labour with no long term consideration for their well being. I guess it comes with the territory.
Good luck to all.
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I posted something a couple days back , it's for the EY deal.The THY deal is over.Jet has major plans for AUH as their hub but time will tell if they will be successful , and if not that would mean another job hunt for the 777 drivers.
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I spoke with the Snr Gen Mgr Ops Planning two days ago.
The THY deal is signed.
The first aircraft will operate from 1st June on a daily IST-LHR-IST-DXB-IST rotation giving plenty of line training (induction) sectors and good a/c utilisation.
A/c 2 & 3 are planned to start in August when it is anticipated that adequate crews will have been recruited and trained to allow the IST-GRU-EZE-GRU-IST-ICN-IST rotations to start.
Indian DGCA scheduling rules are quite restrictive for long sectors involving multiple timezone changes which gives a higher crewing requirement than might otherwise be expected and is a significant influence on Jet's preference for a 6 weeks on 2 off pattern.
There are 30+ pilots who have been screened and contracts issued but only ONE pilot has, at the time of writing, commenced his ground school induction.
HTH
S.T.
The THY deal is signed.
The first aircraft will operate from 1st June on a daily IST-LHR-IST-DXB-IST rotation giving plenty of line training (induction) sectors and good a/c utilisation.
A/c 2 & 3 are planned to start in August when it is anticipated that adequate crews will have been recruited and trained to allow the IST-GRU-EZE-GRU-IST-ICN-IST rotations to start.
Indian DGCA scheduling rules are quite restrictive for long sectors involving multiple timezone changes which gives a higher crewing requirement than might otherwise be expected and is a significant influence on Jet's preference for a 6 weeks on 2 off pattern.
There are 30+ pilots who have been screened and contracts issued but only ONE pilot has, at the time of writing, commenced his ground school induction.
HTH
S.T.
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Pretty accurate.
But of course it depends on how truthful is the info at the hands of Snr Mngr...
9W have an historic of changing their minds with the wind.
Time will tell.
But of course it depends on how truthful is the info at the hands of Snr Mngr...
9W have an historic of changing their minds with the wind.
Time will tell.
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Marvel you're spot on again.
Jet's management needs to realize that the pool of cheapely available drivers, living on fat pensions and willing to give anything to get strapped to a flight deck, (Snr Thrash et caterva come to mind...) is dried.
However, like you've mentioned on post # 235, it looks like they are already late. Even if they offer a REAL contract there's the long history about Jet's mismanegements with expats, exaustively discussed here.
Jet's management needs to realize that the pool of cheapely available drivers, living on fat pensions and willing to give anything to get strapped to a flight deck, (Snr Thrash et caterva come to mind...) is dried.
However, like you've mentioned on post # 235, it looks like they are already late. Even if they offer a REAL contract there's the long history about Jet's mismanegements with expats, exaustively discussed here.
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Salaries still come in on the 15th of each month
Though we are informed that the revised salary agreement will come into force from next month
Some relief!
No news on arrears as yet
Though we are informed that the revised salary agreement will come into force from next month
Some relief!No news on arrears as yet
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Looks like Jet Airways got what it asked for
Civil Aviation Ministry asks airlines to limit number of 'privileged' seats - The Economic Times
The Ministry also extended the deadline of reducing the number of foreign pilots to zero by three years till 2016 while asking the carriers to reduce the number of expatriates in their ranks and recruit more Indians holding the Commercial Pilot Licence (CPL), even as trainees, he said.
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I fully agree with Marvelman.
Its high time to expose the going ons in Indian aviation. From the DGCA, to Air India, the private carriers and the government posturing.
The terms are well and truly insulting, with an eye to capturing the over 60 bunch who have no where to go.
Its high time to expose the going ons in Indian aviation. From the DGCA, to Air India, the private carriers and the government posturing.
The terms are well and truly insulting, with an eye to capturing the over 60 bunch who have no where to go.
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Thank you TAC!
I can't stop laughing on this one, the best joke of the year so far:
" If you don't like the terms write the company, at this point they are thinking there aren't any B777 captains out there."
Yes! If we don't tell them they won't realize this fact of life!
Advertising on 5 agencies since late last year and only a handfull of captains!
I'm LFMAO!
" If you don't like the terms write the company, at this point they are thinking there aren't any B777 captains out there."
Yes! If we don't tell them they won't realize this fact of life!
Advertising on 5 agencies since late last year and only a handfull of captains!
I'm LFMAO!
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Some people have a short memory, Jet terminated expat contract 777/330 a few years back when things did not work out the way Jet wanted. Only time will tell if it happens again , my guess is it wont last the term of the contract.Best of luck to those who go.