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I am still wondering why any contract pilot would choose to fly the 350 though, but then again i only work so i can live,[/QUOTE]
Even though I should stay out of this 350 discussion as it does not affect me, here are a few reasons I can see why: you avoid four sectors in the overcrowded skies of Vietnam. You have practiced enough holding patterns, tired of dealing with mediocre Vietnamese ATC
and got fed up with switching airplanes in the middle of a busy flying day. You stay away from the "I just got released" 200 hour wonders who know all the level 1,2,3 numbers by heart, but don't remember one memory item of the Airbus (only God knows how 90% of them get "released" nowadays) 
, you sit in a pub in Narita having your ego massaged by telling your mates from other airlines you are flying a brand new A350 
, sit in a Paris cafe enjoying a nice cup of coffee and the "views", all while your A321 mates back in Vietnam are continuously getting harassed with schedule changes and calls out on their stand by days to either do a typhoon flight some "air aces" don't feel like operating or it's a Sunday morning and they have to cover "sick" calls. I do agree with ia1166 though, going to the 350 severely limits a contract pilot's options should there be a need to find a new job.
Even though I should stay out of this 350 discussion as it does not affect me, here are a few reasons I can see why: you avoid four sectors in the overcrowded skies of Vietnam. You have practiced enough holding patterns, tired of dealing with mediocre Vietnamese ATC
and got fed up with switching airplanes in the middle of a busy flying day. You stay away from the "I just got released" 200 hour wonders who know all the level 1,2,3 numbers by heart, but don't remember one memory item of the Airbus (only God knows how 90% of them get "released" nowadays) , you sit in a pub in Narita having your ego massaged by telling your mates from other airlines you are flying a brand new A350 , sit in a Paris cafe enjoying a nice cup of coffee and the "views", all while your A321 mates back in Vietnam are continuously getting harassed with schedule changes and calls out on their stand by days to either do a typhoon flight some "air aces" don't feel like operating or it's a Sunday morning and they have to cover "sick" calls. I do agree with ia1166 though, going to the 350 severely limits a contract pilot's options should there be a need to find a new job.
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and got fed up with switching airplanes in the middle of a busy flying day. You stay away from the "I just got released 200 hour wonders who know all the level 1,2,3 numbers by heart, but don't remember one memory item of the Airbus (only God knows how 90% of them nowadays get "released")" , you sit in a pub in Narita having your ego massaged by telling your mates from other airlines you are flying a brand new A350 , sit in a Paris cafe enjoying a nice cup of coffee and the "views", all while your A321 mates back in Vietnam are continuously getting harassed with schedule changes and calls out on their stand by days to either do a typhoon flight some "air aces" don't feel like operating or it's a Sunday morning and they have to cover "sick" calls. Like everything in aviation, it's all a trade off. Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are funny... 🤣
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I only have 3 4 sector days this month, 3 overnight stays, 2 in dad and 1 in cxr. No night flights, 60 hours flying.
Are you keeping a record of your duty time? 4 sector days really ramp it up,and you will exceed the 4 week limit, not the 7 day one.
In response to your 350 reasoning, I save almost all my salary and dont need to be buying 10 euro coffee in paris, sitting around on my own all day, or in some bar talking to pilots, same for Narita thanks. Seen it once, dont need to see it again, and i certainly dont want to sit in the front of an airplane for 5 excruitiating hours in the dark, or worse 12 hours. I actually like take off and landing as its interesting. And i get to chat to people on the ground a bit, and make a cup of tea.
Also lots of free time in the gym of my choice, not some hotel gym. Lovely.
You will need to get assesed and signed off by a UK ATO for your 350 rating. Good luck as not many operators in the uk. You will have to pay a premium for a mainline tre i suspect for check also. Which will need to be a UK ATO approved checker. Thats from my mate in the bee hive. Do your own research.
And why would you keep your A 320 type rating on your home licence while flying the 350 on your VN one. Puts you right up,the creek should you suddenly become unemployed. You need currency.
My mates quote good luck, not many 350 operators here.
Which is my point i guess.
Are you keeping a record of your duty time? 4 sector days really ramp it up,and you will exceed the 4 week limit, not the 7 day one.
In response to your 350 reasoning, I save almost all my salary and dont need to be buying 10 euro coffee in paris, sitting around on my own all day, or in some bar talking to pilots, same for Narita thanks. Seen it once, dont need to see it again, and i certainly dont want to sit in the front of an airplane for 5 excruitiating hours in the dark, or worse 12 hours. I actually like take off and landing as its interesting. And i get to chat to people on the ground a bit, and make a cup of tea.
Also lots of free time in the gym of my choice, not some hotel gym. Lovely.
You will need to get assesed and signed off by a UK ATO for your 350 rating. Good luck as not many operators in the uk. You will have to pay a premium for a mainline tre i suspect for check also. Which will need to be a UK ATO approved checker. Thats from my mate in the bee hive. Do your own research.
And why would you keep your A 320 type rating on your home licence while flying the 350 on your VN one. Puts you right up,the creek should you suddenly become unemployed. You need currency.
My mates quote good luck, not many 350 operators here.
Which is my point i guess.
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Agree to disagree...
I only have 3 4 sector days this month, 3 overnight stays, 2 in dad and 1 in cxr. No night flights, 60 hours flying.
Are you keeping a record of your duty time? 4 sector days really ramp it up,and you will exceed the 4 week limit, not the 7 day one.
In response to your 350 reasoning, I save almost all my salary and dont need to be buying 10 euro coffee in paris, sitting around on my own all day, or in some bar talking to pilots, same for Narita thanks. Seen it once, dont need to see it again, and i certainly dont want to sit in the front of an airplane for 5 excruitiating hours in the dark, or worse 12 hours. I actually like take off and landing as its interesting. And i get to chat to people on the ground a bit, and make a cup of tea.
Also lots of free time in the gym of my choice, not some hotel gym. Lovely.
You will need to get assesed and signed off by a UK ATO for your 350 rating. Good luck as not many operators in the uk. You will have to pay a premium for a mainline tre i suspect for check also. Which will need to be a UK ATO approved checker. Thats from my mate in the bee hive. Do your own research.
And why would you keep your A 320 type rating on your home licence while flying the 350 on your VN one. Puts you right up,the creek should you suddenly become unemployed. You need currency.
My mates quote good luck, not many 350 operators here.
Which is my point i guess.
Are you keeping a record of your duty time? 4 sector days really ramp it up,and you will exceed the 4 week limit, not the 7 day one.
In response to your 350 reasoning, I save almost all my salary and dont need to be buying 10 euro coffee in paris, sitting around on my own all day, or in some bar talking to pilots, same for Narita thanks. Seen it once, dont need to see it again, and i certainly dont want to sit in the front of an airplane for 5 excruitiating hours in the dark, or worse 12 hours. I actually like take off and landing as its interesting. And i get to chat to people on the ground a bit, and make a cup of tea.
Also lots of free time in the gym of my choice, not some hotel gym. Lovely.
You will need to get assesed and signed off by a UK ATO for your 350 rating. Good luck as not many operators in the uk. You will have to pay a premium for a mainline tre i suspect for check also. Which will need to be a UK ATO approved checker. Thats from my mate in the bee hive. Do your own research.
And why would you keep your A 320 type rating on your home licence while flying the 350 on your VN one. Puts you right up,the creek should you suddenly become unemployed. You need currency.
My mates quote good luck, not many 350 operators here.
Which is my point i guess.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/20140917%20A350%20Letter%20of%20Acceptance.pdf
So, I have a feeling that once you are able to get the A350 TR on your license a whole world of operators flying the A330 and in the future A330Neo's open up; and yes, in most companies, bigger means better (pay, time off, destinations, treatment)... but as you said, its everyone's personal choice... which opens up another can of worms: how will Brexit affect EASA
10 Euro Coffee? With a view of the Eifel Tower, right? 😆 I might get myself into tge smuggling business as the cabin crew is; geez!
I used to love T/O's and landings, too, and especially hand-flying! What I liked even more is tutoring amd teaching young and aspiring First Officers. But, since here the levels of aeronautical incompetence have to be protected and good stick and rudder skills are just considered "show-off-skills", A321 Fleet SOP now states that the autopilot is to remain connected until landing configuration is set! Yeah, with the auto-trim operating, those configuration changes seem to be extremely hazardous!
So, yeah, I actually prefer not to anymore, I compensate my need for this kind of adrenalin rush on my vacation time flying Extra 300's at home!
But there is a good point you are making: here in VNA they use that bird to fly only to Da Nang, Hanoi, Tokio and Paris, thats all, or am I missing anything? 🙄
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Mate; I hate to disagree, but I understand that the 330 and 350 are essentially now the same license with EASA:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/20140917%20A350%20Letter%20of%20Acceptance.pdf
So, I have a feeling that once you are able to get the A350 TR on your license a whole world of operators flying the A330 and in the future A330Neo's open up; and yes, in most companies, bigger means better (pay, time off, destinations, treatment)... but as you said, its everyone's personal choice... which opens up another can of worms: how will Brexit affect EASA
10 Euro Coffee? With a view of the Eifel Tower, right? 😆 I might get myself into tge smuggling business as the cabin crew is; geez!
I used to love T/O's and landings, too, and especially hand-flying! What I liked even more is tutoring amd teaching young and aspiring First Officers. But, since here the levels of aeronautical incompetence have to be protected and good stick and rudder skills are just considered "show-off-skills", A321 Fleet SOP now states that the autopilot is to remain connected until landing configuration is set! Yeah, with the auto-trim operating, those configuration changes seem to be extremely hazardous!
So, yeah, I actually prefer not to anymore, I compensate my need for this kind of adrenalin rush on my vacation time flying Extra 300's at home!
But there is a good point you are making: here in VNA they use that bird to fly only to Da Nang, Hanoi, Tokio and Paris, thats all, or am I missing anything? 🙄
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/20140917%20A350%20Letter%20of%20Acceptance.pdf
So, I have a feeling that once you are able to get the A350 TR on your license a whole world of operators flying the A330 and in the future A330Neo's open up; and yes, in most companies, bigger means better (pay, time off, destinations, treatment)... but as you said, its everyone's personal choice... which opens up another can of worms: how will Brexit affect EASA
10 Euro Coffee? With a view of the Eifel Tower, right? 😆 I might get myself into tge smuggling business as the cabin crew is; geez!
I used to love T/O's and landings, too, and especially hand-flying! What I liked even more is tutoring amd teaching young and aspiring First Officers. But, since here the levels of aeronautical incompetence have to be protected and good stick and rudder skills are just considered "show-off-skills", A321 Fleet SOP now states that the autopilot is to remain connected until landing configuration is set! Yeah, with the auto-trim operating, those configuration changes seem to be extremely hazardous!
So, yeah, I actually prefer not to anymore, I compensate my need for this kind of adrenalin rush on my vacation time flying Extra 300's at home!
But there is a good point you are making: here in VNA they use that bird to fly only to Da Nang, Hanoi, Tokio and Paris, thats all, or am I missing anything? 🙄
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Just for clarification in EASA world you can do the Skills Test for either 330 or 350 (whichever you are current on). Exactly the same as 777/787. You get the other stamped on the same line in all EASA states I am aware of. True there are some differences between state but the jist is meet the 500hr req and do a Skill Test with an EASA TRE in an approved sim.
UK CAA has just released a relevent Information Notice stating they want a license verification by the 3rd country CAA before applying for this service. (effective 1st July 2017). Other states just go with the basics and don't ask any questions. Harmonisation
On the other note deff worth keeping the 320rating ticking over as a backup.
UK CAA has just released a relevent Information Notice stating they want a license verification by the 3rd country CAA before applying for this service. (effective 1st July 2017). Other states just go with the basics and don't ask any questions. Harmonisation
On the other note deff worth keeping the 320rating ticking over as a backup.
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I went through the process a year and a half ago, its VERY simple; study the smartcockpit systems of the plane you are applying for, speak kindly and know your normal, basic abnormal and supplementary procedures.
The one-on-one interview is a short and basic systems knowledge Q&A, and an even more basic "hi, who are you?"; funny thing, if you don't give them a reason to, you'll probably never see any of the managers of the company ever again...
In the sim you might get some basic failures and dispatch/startup problems; definetly one engine failure, perhaps inextinguishable fire. Use basic airman and checklist discipline and you'll do fine.
Hope thos helps; Good luck!
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Guys, i was in the office today, because i am doing my recurrent sim, and i saw a lot of brand new local cadets. I was talking with oke of them, and he told me that they are 500 in total for this year. So, 500 cadets plus 250 who will be relased shortly, will be around 750 new pilots in the company. The local instructor, who is my friend, told me that these cadets will give the upgrade to the actual local FO's ( around 200 with nearly 5000 hours ) within the next 1 or 2 years, so good bye to the expat captains after this time. The agencies are doing fake promises to the pilots that they need for this short period of time, but then they will say, sorry... You have 60 days and ur contract will be finished. So guys, choose another option if u are thinking about future in this company. All this info was just confirmed again for some other high position person in the office this morning. If you want to join, is up to you, but this is the real thing that nobody will tell you, and the real thing that many others they just don't want to see. Good luck!!
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Hi guys
Do any of u know if there are any Vietnamese airlines hiring DECs for A330 ?
Would you also happen to know what are the rosterings like and also the Econ. Cond. ?
Looking to move to Asia and that I've been told is Avery good place to start looking around
Thx
Do any of u know if there are any Vietnamese airlines hiring DECs for A330 ?
Would you also happen to know what are the rosterings like and also the Econ. Cond. ?
Looking to move to Asia and that I've been told is Avery good place to start looking around
Thx
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Only Vietnam Airlines with 330 in the country.
You may approach VJ and Pacific for DEC A320 if you hold a current 320 TR and they are short enough to give you an extended line training. Money is good if you work hard, really hard for it.
330 better look Hong Kong Airlines.
Mucha suerte.
You may approach VJ and Pacific for DEC A320 if you hold a current 320 TR and they are short enough to give you an extended line training. Money is good if you work hard, really hard for it.
330 better look Hong Kong Airlines.
Mucha suerte.
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Yes, if you dare to join this company, first you should be really brave, and second, don't planify to stay here more than 2-3 years maximum. You will be fired, same as all other expat FO's, Captains, LTC, TRI and TRE. They are recruiting a lot of locals LTC, TRI and TRE now. Why? You can guess, the salary of a local TRE is $5000 vs 14-15 thousand of an expat. The thing is that now they need to cover the huge hole they have, because many captains left the company already after knowing these plans, and as they didn't expect that this could happen, now they have a huge problem, and they need everything... Good luck!!
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Its ok fivecandels, finally we are here to help each other and try to share our experiences. The agencies are promising everything, but then, when vna says that they don't need you anymore, they will just let you know with 60 days notice. Is the way as they work, and is written in the contract. No warranties for pilots, just protection for the company and the agency. As we know that all these things are happening, and the plans of vna were revealed, so i think is more than easy to choose well, specially if you are planning for a long time contract. If don't, then maybe could be a good chance, but keep in mind that they could finish your contract at any time, because the fact is that they could be many things, but not serious at all. With these considerations, i think that there are many better options than vna in Asia. Good luck!!
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I have something to say to people interested to join Vietnam airlines,this airline is full of bull****,liers and incompétent.They fire you 1 time every year,depends on their moods and how much you willing to pay to stay here,and sometime this is not enough.Moreover,if you want to join such airline,you have to know that the agencies will not support you at all and let you in very big trouble,expecially with no license revalidation and no financial compensation.so good luck,and stay very far away for this bunch of clowns.
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I have something to say to people interested to join Vietnam airlines,this airline is full of bull****,liers and incompétent.They fire you 1 time every year,depends on their moods and how much you willing to pay to stay here,and sometime this is not enough.Moreover,if you want to join such airline,you have to know that the agencies will not support you at all and let you in very big trouble,expecially with no license revalidation and no financial compensation.so good luck,and stay very far away for this bunch of clowns.
People have been fired for lots of things, mostly i would say are justified. If you want to bring up individual cases please be more specific.