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exactly janafrica, theres no point
but some just like to come here evryday
i pitty them, they have nothing else to do
to go over the icao books?????? damn!!!!
and extracting stuff!!!1 fuc$#% me
get a life, or a girlfriend
& be man enough to say the names you are trying to get here
by putting this annexes..............
'cause i can assure you dont have the balls to give this icao extract in his/her face and tell them their mistake
keep it up
but some just like to come here evryday
i pitty them, they have nothing else to do
to go over the icao books?????? damn!!!!
and extracting stuff!!!1 fuc$#% meget a life, or a girlfriend
& be man enough to say the names you are trying to get here
by putting this annexes..............
'cause i can assure you dont have the balls to give this icao extract in his/her face and tell them their mistake
keep it up
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Jumpstart! You do realize that the company is STILL trying to reduce our salaries! Maybe - and I'm just guessing here- if people like you would begin to act - and operate - a little more like the professionals that you're paid to be, then we might have a stronger argument against these proposed salary reductions. People like you who act and operate like a bunch of monkeys are only making the rest of us look bad.
And, I have no problem addressing this with the person involved, but unlike you I don't feel it necessary to publicly embarass any individual! Maybe, I'm just a little more mature than you! Obviously, I'm more profession!
And, I have no problem addressing this with the person involved, but unlike you I don't feel it necessary to publicly embarass any individual! Maybe, I'm just a little more mature than you! Obviously, I'm more profession!
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@ Jakbawer,
As I have heard there won't be any more screenings right now for A330. As I have heard, there are some new expat entries on A330, but they were screened 3 or more months ago, coming now.
In the moment they are doing a lot of training on vietnamese pilots changing to A330, so there might be no capacities for expat entries.
But on long sight I think they will need lots more pilots (expat as well), because there will be more aircrafts coming into the fleet.
So if you wish to join Vietnam Airlines, put your application and wait, I am sure, there will be demand, but if you are looking urgently, maybe VN won't be best decision right now.
Best wishes
As I have heard there won't be any more screenings right now for A330. As I have heard, there are some new expat entries on A330, but they were screened 3 or more months ago, coming now.
In the moment they are doing a lot of training on vietnamese pilots changing to A330, so there might be no capacities for expat entries.
But on long sight I think they will need lots more pilots (expat as well), because there will be more aircrafts coming into the fleet.
So if you wish to join Vietnam Airlines, put your application and wait, I am sure, there will be demand, but if you are looking urgently, maybe VN won't be best decision right now.
Best wishes
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Vietnam Airlines orders more Airbus aircraft
announced at the Paris Air Show that it has placed a firm order with Airbus for 16 more single aisle A321s and signed a Memorandum of Understanding for two additional A350 XWBs.
The latest A321 contract increases the total number of orders placed by Vietnam Airlines for the type to 41, of which 14 have already been delivered. The commitment for the A350 XWBs comes in addition to an existing firm order for 10 aircraft placed in December 2007. Vietnam Airlines has selected the A350-900 variant of the all-new midsize widebody.
"Our new order for the A321 reflects the success we have achieved with the aircraft on both our regional and domestic route networks," said Pham Ngoc Minh, President and Chief Executive Officer of Vietnam Airlines. "In the widebody category, we firmly believe that the A350 XWB will set new standards of efficiency and passenger comfort, making it the right choice to develop our intercontinental route network."
"Vietnam will remain one of the key growth markets in Asia in coming years," said Airbus President and CEO Tom Enders. "With the Airbus single aisle family and the all-new A350 XWB, Vietnam Airlines will be operating one of the most modern and efficient fleets in the region and will be well placed to meet demand on both its Asian and international services."
Vietnam Airlines currently operates a fleet of 52 modern aircraft and flies to 19 domestic and 23 international destinations.
The A321 is the largest member of the Airbus A320 Family. It typically seats 185 passengers in a two-class layout and has a non-stop flying range of 3,000 nautical miles or 5,550 kilometres.
The A350 XWB is Airbus' new medium-capacity long-range widebody product. Capable of flying up to 8,300 nm / 15,400 km, it has the widest fuselage in its category and offers the lowest operating costs and lowest seat mile cost of any aircraft in this market segment.
2 days ago Vietnam Airlines also increased the Firm orders for ATR72 to a total of 13 new 500 series.
The latest A321 contract increases the total number of orders placed by Vietnam Airlines for the type to 41, of which 14 have already been delivered. The commitment for the A350 XWBs comes in addition to an existing firm order for 10 aircraft placed in December 2007. Vietnam Airlines has selected the A350-900 variant of the all-new midsize widebody.
"Our new order for the A321 reflects the success we have achieved with the aircraft on both our regional and domestic route networks," said Pham Ngoc Minh, President and Chief Executive Officer of Vietnam Airlines. "In the widebody category, we firmly believe that the A350 XWB will set new standards of efficiency and passenger comfort, making it the right choice to develop our intercontinental route network."
"Vietnam will remain one of the key growth markets in Asia in coming years," said Airbus President and CEO Tom Enders. "With the Airbus single aisle family and the all-new A350 XWB, Vietnam Airlines will be operating one of the most modern and efficient fleets in the region and will be well placed to meet demand on both its Asian and international services."
Vietnam Airlines currently operates a fleet of 52 modern aircraft and flies to 19 domestic and 23 international destinations.
The A321 is the largest member of the Airbus A320 Family. It typically seats 185 passengers in a two-class layout and has a non-stop flying range of 3,000 nautical miles or 5,550 kilometres.
The A350 XWB is Airbus' new medium-capacity long-range widebody product. Capable of flying up to 8,300 nm / 15,400 km, it has the widest fuselage in its category and offers the lowest operating costs and lowest seat mile cost of any aircraft in this market segment.
2 days ago Vietnam Airlines also increased the Firm orders for ATR72 to a total of 13 new 500 series.
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Dual Nationality
Well, dual nationality can always happen; the true issue is recognition. If you hold citizenship in countries A and B, then A will only recognize your A citizenship and B, your B citizenship. What that means is that you cannot claim any privileges of B citizenship while in A and vice versa, e.g. if arrested in A, B's embassy will not lift much of a finger for you.
If you secure Vietnamese citizenship, that government has no power to revoke your French citizenship although it may require you to renounce it before naturalizing you. (I have no idea what Hanoi requires.)
French law, on the other hand, has provisions for you to recover French citizenship if you have already it in one way or another: in that case, you go for a "réintégration" and not a "naturalisation".
Good luck.
If you secure Vietnamese citizenship, that government has no power to revoke your French citizenship although it may require you to renounce it before naturalizing you. (I have no idea what Hanoi requires.)
French law, on the other hand, has provisions for you to recover French citizenship if you have already it in one way or another: in that case, you go for a "réintégration" and not a "naturalisation".
Good luck.
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dark clouds over the horizon
last week parc and risworth were in vn to talk to headquarters, there is a possible pay cut (something like 300/month) mentioned, nothing fix yet.
intakes of expats just few, TRI and TRE have best chances.
60+ vietnamese cadets are expected this year after graduating. to little capacity to train them all on 320 or ATR72, they are thinking now to introduce 2nd officers on the 777, (can only be in the drivres seat above 20.000ft, can do an emergency descent and a drift down) for the CDG, FRA and DME routes.
intakes of expats just few, TRI and TRE have best chances.
60+ vietnamese cadets are expected this year after graduating. to little capacity to train them all on 320 or ATR72, they are thinking now to introduce 2nd officers on the 777, (can only be in the drivres seat above 20.000ft, can do an emergency descent and a drift down) for the CDG, FRA and DME routes.
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Just out of interest. Has anyone got any the details of the DPI contracts or is it just rumour? Has anybody thought of possibility that they maybe on the same money/conditions in the hand and DPI are just taking less of a cut. If that the case, PARC and Rishworth have a alot of explaining to do by the sounds of it.
However, the price for the entry is 10800USD/month for Captains made up of $7800 salary, $1500 for accomodation and $1500 per diems and a total of 7800USD (I believe) for FOs on 320 fleet. If anyone take anything less they will be hurting not only themselves, but all the pilots there now as VN will just lower it all for all of you.... and oh yeah any of you thinking of going the way of lower conditions do think you will be really welcome if that happens. Spread the word.
It is very simple, if DPI are offering less money then just go to PARC or Rishworth. If DPI dont have the numbers on the books they dont have contract. Be careful guys dont go in short. For Gods sake everyone, try to keep your conditions, there must be other ways for the company to save money without screwing the expats.
By the sounds of things you are all working harder than ever too....screw it try for a pay increase (didn't the Vietnamese get a huge pay increase last year?) or some sort of overtime pay. And get any new guys that arrive based in Hanoi. From what I here you are spending half the time in Hanoi....that got to save the company money.
Good luck guys...and happy landings.
However, the price for the entry is 10800USD/month for Captains made up of $7800 salary, $1500 for accomodation and $1500 per diems and a total of 7800USD (I believe) for FOs on 320 fleet. If anyone take anything less they will be hurting not only themselves, but all the pilots there now as VN will just lower it all for all of you.... and oh yeah any of you thinking of going the way of lower conditions do think you will be really welcome if that happens. Spread the word.
It is very simple, if DPI are offering less money then just go to PARC or Rishworth. If DPI dont have the numbers on the books they dont have contract. Be careful guys dont go in short. For Gods sake everyone, try to keep your conditions, there must be other ways for the company to save money without screwing the expats.
By the sounds of things you are all working harder than ever too....screw it try for a pay increase (didn't the Vietnamese get a huge pay increase last year?) or some sort of overtime pay. And get any new guys that arrive based in Hanoi. From what I here you are spending half the time in Hanoi....that got to save the company money.
Good luck guys...and happy landings.
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***USD65 per day is paid to crewmember by VAC during ground school (Max 14 days)
Thereafter, upon receipt of CAAV validation:
US$8,500 per month Basic Salary
US$1,000 per diem per month pro rata.
US$1,000 accommodation allowance per month
All local taxes shall be borne in full by Vietnam Airlines. The crewmember is responsible for any other tax obligations in any other jurisdiction.
Thereafter, upon receipt of CAAV validation:
US$8,500 per month Basic Salary
US$1,000 per diem per month pro rata.
US$1,000 accommodation allowance per month
All local taxes shall be borne in full by Vietnam Airlines. The crewmember is responsible for any other tax obligations in any other jurisdiction.
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yep
this is an extract from direct personnel's job spec's
it seems now evryone will have to go through them
since theyre the only A. holes to acccept less pay
and its only 2 year term, not 5 like before
this is an extract from direct personnel's job spec's
it seems now evryone will have to go through them
since theyre the only A. holes to acccept less pay
and its only 2 year term, not 5 like before
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Sounds like you guys are all screwed then.....
If any one of these guys get through the selecton process what are you going to do? And what happens to the contracts that you are all on before these f#$kwi#$ signed one of these new contracts at the lower rate.
Here's a thought, can you change your contract companies if VN only give you one choice? Most of these contracts stop you from legaly working for another contract company, so lets face it you are now really screwed..... actually this could mean that VN are scewed because you wont be allowed to work for them legally for another company. So if PARC/Rishworth hold out on VN with the higher amount, and they threaten legal action against you for changing companies then you might be right or well... there are other jobs out there guys and the industry will get better. It sounds like VN wouldn't know when they are on a good thing if it came and bit them on the arse. As they say Pay peanuts...get monkeys
If any one of these guys get through the selecton process what are you going to do? And what happens to the contracts that you are all on before these f#$kwi#$ signed one of these new contracts at the lower rate.
Here's a thought, can you change your contract companies if VN only give you one choice? Most of these contracts stop you from legaly working for another contract company, so lets face it you are now really screwed..... actually this could mean that VN are scewed because you wont be allowed to work for them legally for another company. So if PARC/Rishworth hold out on VN with the higher amount, and they threaten legal action against you for changing companies then you might be right or well... there are other jobs out there guys and the industry will get better. It sounds like VN wouldn't know when they are on a good thing if it came and bit them on the arse. As they say Pay peanuts...get monkeys
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and oh yeah any of you thinking of going the way of lower conditions do think you will be really welcome if that happens. Spread the word.
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Dear Ms Tee Emm, What "threat", have I upset you because you are one of the pilots going there at the lower rate instead of holding out for the established rate that the other companies are offering, or are you just from DPI? Put yourself in their shoes. would you be there saying oh great come on over thanks for the pay cut...get real!
I am looking at what the pilots there are having to deal with....increased hours and no pay increase and cuts in conditions for years. Look at the previous posts by many many of the pilots there. They are copping it from not only the company that is trying everything to screw only the expat pilots (from what I understand the locals have not been asked to take any sort of a paycut in any department) but now from another company coming in and undercutting the contract companies that have been there supplying pilots for years. Not forgeting that VN made millions of $ in profit the first quarter of this year!!!
No threat, just letting prospective pilots thinking of going there that they have a choice. Apply to a contract company which is quite willing to pay the pilots they have on their books less than what the pilots there already are being paid....yeah great way to look after your clients who are making you money or just to go to the companies that have been established there for years and give VN no choice than to go back to them.
So if you feel threatened then well.... I am sorry to have upset you so much, but I have been watching this post for months and I am amazed that a pilot would come up with such rubbish as your post....
As has been said for years....Pilots are their own worst enemies. And you are not helping what has been happening for a long time.
p.s. no "appropriate advise" so far.
I am looking at what the pilots there are having to deal with....increased hours and no pay increase and cuts in conditions for years. Look at the previous posts by many many of the pilots there. They are copping it from not only the company that is trying everything to screw only the expat pilots (from what I understand the locals have not been asked to take any sort of a paycut in any department) but now from another company coming in and undercutting the contract companies that have been there supplying pilots for years. Not forgeting that VN made millions of $ in profit the first quarter of this year!!!
No threat, just letting prospective pilots thinking of going there that they have a choice. Apply to a contract company which is quite willing to pay the pilots they have on their books less than what the pilots there already are being paid....yeah great way to look after your clients who are making you money or just to go to the companies that have been established there for years and give VN no choice than to go back to them.
So if you feel threatened then well.... I am sorry to have upset you so much, but I have been watching this post for months and I am amazed that a pilot would come up with such rubbish as your post....
As has been said for years....Pilots are their own worst enemies. And you are not helping what has been happening for a long time.
p.s. no "appropriate advise" so far.
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PARC to RAL? I've been here 5 years and i changed from RAL to PARC 2 years ago along with 4 others. I cannot recall anyone going the other way. I do know most pilots would jump at changing from ral to parc. Can't be done now though. The long and short of it. PARC are so much better. Everyone who has asked for a 5 and 3 roster with PARC has got it. RAL tell their guys they have to be here a year first. Now the door is shut on reduced rosters. All the parc guys got what they wanted. The RAL guys are left hanging, apart from a couple. Go Figure. It's all about the commission.
An old contract pilot once told me that PARC pilots tend to stay with them and only accept other PARC contracts. Now i'm there i understand totally.
Interesting reading here though. I'm born and bred australian adrian. Have we shut the door on all the kiwis coming over or did you get in early enough?
And how's the head?
An old contract pilot once told me that PARC pilots tend to stay with them and only accept other PARC contracts. Now i'm there i understand totally.
Interesting reading here though. I'm born and bred australian adrian. Have we shut the door on all the kiwis coming over or did you get in early enough?
And how's the head?