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Old 9th Jul 2018, 09:53
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Rishw555555 sent me something about Captain opportunity's at VNA very recently too.

Would be interesting to see what the recruiter in Kimono's post above would say about that email Ruzki
posted.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 12:10
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I repost again just in case someone miss it

This is was 1 year ago ( not 10 years ago )

Dear A321 First Officers,

As you will be aware, there is growing uncertainty around the future of the A321 First Officer role at VNA and unfortunately, overnight, we were advised that VNA will soon be releasing A321 First Officers (with 60 days notice).

At this time we do not know who or when, but indications are that notice will be given in stages throughout the year, commencing this month.

RAL is continuing to communicate with VNA about this situation and will keep you updated with any news as we receive it, so that you will be fully updated as you consider your future options.

We understand that this is very difficult news to hear, and we will do our best to assist you as much as possible over the coming months. Given this news, however, we strongly recommend that you start to take steps now to secure your next contract opportunity.

Regarding opportunities available to you, I note that we work very closely with Jetstar Pacific and they are currently recruiting A320 FOs. Please find attached the brief outlining details of this role. Also attached are briefing documents for other roles that you may qualify for and be interested in. Please do not hesitate to contact the Recruitment Consultant noted on the brief for further information about any of these roles, and copy me into your email.

Once again, we will keep you all updated as news come to hand. In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.

Kind regards,
Regional Manager

if someone thinking to apply be sure in 1/2 years when the new cadets will be ready is going to happen again.
this is not at rumor this is a fact
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 06:16
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Yes, when the cadets will be ready, means in about 1 year it will be bye bye for the poor sods , whom believe these monkeys.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 01:04
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Originally Posted by captainjoy View Post
I just finished 4 years withVNA.
Unfortunalty They have gotten worse every year I have been here.
You make the mistake of going with Parc. Your contract is worth nothing.
7 paid sick days in 6 months says the contract. But company changed FOM
so your schedule if screwed for rest of month after calling in sick and you have to work extra day to repay company.
how is that a paid sick day? Basically the company does what ever they want and Parc
Rolls over immediately. There are No Regs Here at all. If You go over Your allowed Captains discretion
Vice President calls and all of a sudden You are magically legal to fly till u drop. I have been coerced into doing 19 hour 6 sector all nite
duty!!!! And forget about any travel benfits. U only get ( more expensive then real ticket online) standby tickets
only where company operates. No sky team. No code shar, no zed far. No interline.
because of the contract you will work 100 hours month-No over time, because that's 160 hours
in 2 calendar months. With 6/2 schedule you will fly 159.9 hours in 6 weeks. You will have God awful
all night china turn arounds 3 -4 times per month. You will never ever get more then 7 days off in a month.
and they have no definition of what a day off is ( even though u are required to have 7 per month).No one knows what a day off is here.
they told me that I had day off when My report was at 00:30!!!! There are no rules. Schedules always change
its about the worst contract I have had ( out of 11 companys I have worked for on contract). They treat foreigners just as bad as they
Treat each other. To summarize. You will hate it, and when You leave they will try and charge you money for every sick day or day off they said you owe them. Basic a fu..^*¥ed up company that gets worse every month. I am so happy not to work there any more.
thats just Me. You might enjoy the abuse. Good Luck!
you didnt leave, you were terminated. Lets be truthful here. And maybe if you didnt take all your sick leave all the time your manday calculation would have been different.

The days off are in the FOM. Maybe you need to actually read it, as well as the sop by the way.

yes i know who you are.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 01:10
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Originally Posted by EagleA25 View Post

Yeap; you pretty much beat me to responding to Luke...
perhaps a side note: a reason for a go-around for statistical purposes I would request, purpose to identify patterns such as ATC, weather, or simply Pilot Training.
One thing I like what you said, and I mean a lot, is the “get rid of punitive measurement” and “need for public shaming”mentality; I just can’t get my head around how the Chief Pilot wishes to improve their relationship with pilots by handing it to them with sticks. Do managers really believe we wake up and get out of bed in the morning with the intent of breaking an airplane today?

Luke, in my comments I ment no offense, and I think (and hope) we’re all on the same team, because I know it’s hard to teach common sense in this region; what is even harder is teaching in an internal company culture that inspires a privilege of laziness, Because that is what is happening: we are too comfortable with not moving another finger to even audit ourselfs when we fly! Perhaps even because some of us might not like what we will see at the end as the work ambience of the company promotes a level laziness that I can only describe as Habit-forming; and I am the first to admit: I am one of them!
I agree that “shit happens”, and being a keen AvHerald reader, I am very aware it happens all the time; but you can’t just go out to the plane with your fingers crossed hoping that it won’t happen to you today.
I remember hearing a local FO saying “we don’t always have to do everything perfectly!” to which I replied asking him if he would want ME to do my job perfectly if his mother or girlfriend was on board; guess what, I’ve never seen an FO enter the requested enrute winds so quickly into the MCDU in my career because I explained him that we owe this to all our customers, not just his family...
Fact is, if your normal ops is disciplined, your abnormal will be a matter of mind-over-body; but when things go wrong and you were not doing your job the way you are supposed to, and are not used to doing it, chances are that will probably end with a hull loss if it is a more complex failure.

But, as asked, here is my wish, Luke, and IA1166:
take the list that Wingedeagle mentioned and put it in front of management, in writing; that way it is a responsability that the managers HAVE to comply with or be accountable in case of an accident.
Have the balls as experienced instructors in Vietnam Airlines to highly recommend these changes, promote a non-punitive SMS system, one that analyzes data and corrects behavior, not beats its best source of information to pulp and into submission by ways of the force and fear! If not, the turn over rate will just keep going and nothing good will come from that... I myself am just too lazy to look for a new job by now...
sure , and should we talk about your recent cxr report? Pages and pages of all the fos fault? And where would you go after here and india anyway?

stop blaming me. My conscience is clear. My line check and sim check fail rate is higher here than any time before.
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Old 12th Jul 2018, 01:44
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Originally Posted by captainjoy View Post
I just finished 4 years withVNA.
Unfortunalty They have gotten worse every year I have been here.
You make the mistake of going with Parc. Your contract is worth nothing.
7 paid sick days in 6 months says the contract. But company changed FOM
so your schedule if screwed for rest of month after calling in sick and you have to work extra day to repay company.
how is that a paid sick day? Basically the company does what ever they want and Parc
Rolls over immediately. There are No Regs Here at all. If You go over Your allowed Captains discretion
Vice President calls and all of a sudden You are magically legal to fly till u drop. I have been coerced into doing 19 hour 6 sector all nite
duty!!!! And forget about any travel benfits. U only get ( more expensive then real ticket online) standby tickets
only where company operates. No sky team. No code shar, no zed far. No interline.
because of the contract you will work 100 hours month-No over time, because that's 160 hours
in 2 calendar months. With 6/2 schedule you will fly 159.9 hours in 6 weeks. You will have God awful
all night china turn arounds 3 -4 times per month. You will never ever get more then 7 days off in a month.
and they have no definition of what a day off is ( even though u are required to have 7 per month).No one knows what a day off is here.
they told me that I had day off when My report was at 00:30!!!! There are no rules. Schedules always change
its about the worst contract I have had ( out of 11 companys I have worked for on contract). They treat foreigners just as bad as they
Treat each other. To summarize. You will hate it, and when You leave they will try and charge you money for every sick day or day off they said you owe them. Basic a fu..^*¥ed up company that gets worse every month. I am so happy not to work there any more.
thats just Me. You might enjoy the abuse. Good Luck!

so, in summary then, you want a 2 week holiday every 6 weeks, and 10 days off a month, and 14 days sick leave a year.

thats around 200 days off in a 360 day year. And on the 160 days left you want to fly enought to get overtime?

is that about it?

Mate good luck with that!
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 10:48
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Hi, Does anyone have information on the 787 DEC selection process at VNA. I’m scheduled for an interview in a couple months but have little info on what to expect. I can share what I have if you can do the same. Good CRM and all. Thanks.
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 03:00
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post
...

stop blaming me. My conscience is clear. My line check and sim check fail rate is higher here than any time before.
I think you still not getting my point; I am not blaming anyone nor am I willing to finger-point!
I’m happy your conscience is clear and you’re sleeping tight, but your “fail-ratio” is not something I’d be proud of, but as you mention this, I think this is exactly the problem. Are you sure you, your experience, your knowledge, your training and your leadership is actually being respected?
Ask yourself that next time at your watering hole...
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 17:01
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Hi all,
Do you have any info regarding first officers A350 recruitment??? Thank you in advance.
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Old 16th Jul 2018, 07:16
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Just like in any other outfit, some people are egotistically moron who try to prove to the world that they have the absolute monopoly of knowledge and experience and at times racist or personal.
True leaders have a strong moral courage to act and perform with a positive result in deep sense of humility. They are not only respected but exalted. Just my 2 cents observation. SAFE FLIGHT!!!
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Old 16th Jul 2018, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Merovingio View Post
Hi all,
Do you have any info regarding first officers A350 recruitment??? Thank you in advance.
Last I heared the A350 is only accessible from within as some pay a lot of $$$ to the overlords to upgrade. I’m not even sure if the wide body fleet is recruiting FO’s right now at all. Ask around in Rishworth, FCI or Parc...
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Old 18th Jul 2018, 09:46
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Originally Posted by EagleA25 View Post

Last I heared the A350 is only accessible from within as some pay a lot of $$$ to the overlords to upgrade. I’m not even sure if the wide body fleet is recruiting FO’s right now at all. Ask around in Rishworth, FCI or Parc...
Thank you. May I have any feedback of ambient, roster, commuting chances for 350 first officer in vna? Thank you.
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Old 19th Jul 2018, 14:55
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B787 Captains roster.

Does any B787 Captains wish to share via PM or public a average month or 6 weeks roster please?
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 20:28
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Originally Posted by ia1166 View Post



so, in summary then, you want a 2 week holiday every 6 weeks, and 10 days off a month, and 14 days sick leave a year.

thats around 200 days off in a 360 day year. And on the 160 days left you want to fly enought to get overtime?

is that about it?

Mate good luck with that!
I am at Atlas Air, and our contract is quite sub-standard compared to UAL/AA/Delta/Southwest/UPS/FedEx/Alaskan/Hawaiian/Spirit, etc.
We get off close to 200 days a year, and it is easy to get overtime, if you want it.
If you fly for one of the "better" US carriers, then you can have more days off.
Senior pilots at all the above, can work as little as 6-8 days/month, AND have a lot of vacation.

At Atlas, if you have scheduled two weeks of vacation in a month, and you want more, you can automatically get the whole month off. A number of pilots I know of have set their schedules up to get two months off in a row, including over the summer. The best I ever heard anyone do was be off from 1Jun-27Aug. That pilot got the min pay of 62 hours/month during that time off.

If you are fatigued at Atlas, for ANY reason, you just call scheduling, tell them you are fatigued, and you're done. They will give you 12 hours min rest, or any amount more than that if you request it.

We recently had a terrible time getting airlined (always in biz/1st class on intntl itineraries) from HKG-XIY. It took us all day. When we finally got to the hotel, our standard min rest is 8 hours of sleep opportunity in our hotel room. I didn't even call fatigued...just told them that because of our situation, we needed 12 hours until the wakeup call, which would delay the trip about four hours. Scheduling said no problem, and set our wakeup call for 12 hours away.

Many foreign contracts, including Emirates and others, are VERY sub-standard vs US terms and conditions.

Fatigue kills. We need decent rest, and vacation. If you don't have that, you aren't providing your customers with a reasonable level of safety.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 09:51
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Cliff, any manager of any Asian airline (except perhaps Cathay) would faint after hearing that. It is not uncommon for contract pilots to get fired when they reach the yearly block time limit only to be hired again after the mandatory time off so the airline can save (or pocket) the basic salary during that time.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 01:16
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Turns out that the “offer” for VNA A320 FOs is a cheap and dirty trick done by FCI to attract interested aviators. When any applicant refers to this job, after apologizing because “VNA has put FO recruitment on hold” they quickly offer an interview for Jetstar, attaching their current T&Cs on the email.
It is confirmed that VNA is NOT hiring ex pat First Officers, so just beware of the agency you are dealing with...
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:48
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Well that makes sense especially when you read the post showing an email from VNA planning to let First officers go etc and they will help relocate etc etc,

Regarding opportunities available to you, I note that we work very closely with Jetstar Pacific and they are currently recruiting A320 FOs. Please find attached the brief outlining details of this role. Also attached are briefing documents for other roles that you may qualify for and be interested in. Please do not hesitate to contact the Recruitment Consultant noted on the brief for further information about any of these roles, and copy me into your email.
Once again, we will keep you all updated as news come to hand. In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.

Kind regards,
Regional Manager
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 16:05
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JPA what a joke . They call it a commuting contract , but JPA do not provide the airfares. The wages, too, are too low comparing to VNA. VNA do not need FOs ( it has hired 750 cadets ), it needs a few Cpts for a 2 years transition . The agencies use VNA to catch some morons to fly for JPA at sub standard, so called commuting job .

Try Vietjet, at least that bunch of idiots will pay you a lot more .
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 21:05
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Originally Posted by pezetaroi View Post
...
It is confirmed that VNA is NOT hiring ex pat First Officers, so just beware of the agency you are dealing with...
Rumor has it that there are some 400 Local and Pay-to-fly FO’s un the pipeline, the locals being kindly asked to become pilots at almost gunpoint.
So, gone are the days of flying with sons of B787 Management Pilots?
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 07:03
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If your intent of coming to vietnam then Vietjet is your only option and as a capt only, the other 2 are to be avoided. Unless in the case of JPA you wanna fly the same routes and get less money and fly aussie rules .
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