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You signed a 5 year contract?
You are terminating it early under the clause provided in that contract?
It works both ways.
I have been here 13 years. I am not looking for a new job, but will be watching the situation over the next few years and will move when i have to.
Its the contract world. Maybe you didnt read your contract.
You are terminating it early under the clause provided in that contract?
It works both ways.
I have been here 13 years. I am not looking for a new job, but will be watching the situation over the next few years and will move when i have to.
Its the contract world. Maybe you didnt read your contract.
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Here it start
Yesterday an a321 put the wheels out of the runway in danang... it is jus the beginning ,nothing to do with racism as the Cpt was expat and the FO is one of the Brand new FO that replaced the expat FO.
Open you eyes for f! Sake!
тщательный 😓😓
Open you eyes for f! Sake!
тщательный 😓😓
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Here are "two cents" from a guy, who spent many years working for VN: while it's sad to see many expats being let go, foreign pilots need to understand that they are only CONTRACTORS. That's right. There to fill seats till these seats can be covered by a local pilot. Every national airline has the right and should aim to "nationalize" it's airline, as this is much cheaper and we are in the business world. Will it effect their operation and drive the already low standards shown by newcomer pilots even lower ? Most certainly. But it's their airline and their decision to make. For years Vietnam Airlines has been a good to a great place for many expat pilots. They were pretty much the only airline to offer upgrade opportunities to F/Os, Captains could switch fleets or become instructors and examiners. Career opportunities were give to those, who were initially hired to fill a vacant seat. While many operational decisions were always questionable, the locals were always very kind to most of us, therefore insulting and calling them names is LOW CLASS ! You may not agree with their policies, philosophies and decisions, but again it's their airline and it's their right to decide which way they want to steer the ship (a direction I find highly questionable and it was one of my reasons to leave after many years). At one time VN had the monopoly flying domestic routes. With VJ in the mix and more competition from outside, VN is not the only option for passengers anymore. The economic pressure is there to save money and it's usually the contract pilots who are the first "casualties". And, if you are being let go with a 60 day notice, you are not being "fired". Your contract is clearly saying you can be let go with a certain timely notice. Am I concerned to where VN is heading ? Having left many friends (locals and expats) behind I am very concerned. Economically and yes operationally. Economically the airline is not prepared to face the wind of competition. Operationally I have seen standards from new First Officers go to a very concerning low point with not all but many simply being afraid to fly and make a mistake, always seeing the much dreaded "level" and the "safety debrief (public humiliation and loss of face)" in front of their eyes. Safe flying, guys. Stick together instead of spending time bashing the company and each other. With VN's current direction everyone may need to buckle up tight !
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Yep
Yes i totally agree with u. Most of the local they are nice guys,but we are taking about safety here.
And yes more , we need to buckle up expcially when we are positioning , we never know who you have as a crew ...it's like a ... Russian roulette nowadays 😂😂😂😂
And yes more , we need to buckle up expcially when we are positioning , we never know who you have as a crew ...it's like a ... Russian roulette nowadays 😂😂😂😂
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These morons are now advertising for Cpt/FO on the A350. What a joke ! Moreover, the clowns in SGN are calling back the A-321 FOs they fired 2 months ago.Of course, these FOs gave them the finger.
Between the the new local Cpts, the local cadets and the P2F, VN is heading to a catastrophic event ! I am just hoping not being in that plane !
Between the the new local Cpts, the local cadets and the P2F, VN is heading to a catastrophic event ! I am just hoping not being in that plane !
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Am I telling any lie ? These morons are looking for Cpts on the ATR with transition to the Airbus fleet, they are looking for A-321 Cpts too ! On the meanwhile they have fired all the A-321 SFOs who where more than ready for command and they plan to do the same with the A-330 SFOs.
Tell me if these guys are not greedy monkeys, firing people, who are in VNA for years to take some guys, from more than suspect countries, and rich kids on P2F.
Tell me if these guys are not greedy monkeys, firing people, who are in VNA for years to take some guys, from more than suspect countries, and rich kids on P2F.
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Well it's official, the Captain that "took over" the controls late (from a low hour-freshly released FO) and prevented a major catastrophe has been terminated. Word of advise: don't risk your job and be the PF all of your sectors, especially with this kind of weather that we've had lately...
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IV just heard the news today ..
But nooooo we are racist , but noooo the local are wonderful .... but nooooo we are contractors .
wtf!!! Wake up!!!
They guy just saved an a321!!!! And had been terminated !!!!Because his fo, son of , friend of , uncle of, with super perfcet air style wsnt able to keep a ******* center line!!!!!!!!!!
But nooooooo we are racists but noooo we are contractors....
kurvah my 2 cents
But nooooo we are racist , but noooo the local are wonderful .... but nooooo we are contractors .
wtf!!! Wake up!!!
They guy just saved an a321!!!! And had been terminated !!!!Because his fo, son of , friend of , uncle of, with super perfcet air style wsnt able to keep a ******* center line!!!!!!!!!!
But nooooooo we are racists but noooo we are contractors....
kurvah my 2 cents
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IV just heard the news today ..
But nooooo we are racist , but noooo the local are wonderful .... but nooooo we are contractors .
wtf!!! Wake up!!!
They guy just saved an a321!!!! And had been terminated !!!!Because his fo, son of , friend of , uncle of, with super perfcet air style wsnt able to keep a ******* center line!!!!!!!!!!
But nooooooo we are racists but noooo we are contractors....
kurvah my 2 cents
But nooooo we are racist , but noooo the local are wonderful .... but nooooo we are contractors .
wtf!!! Wake up!!!
They guy just saved an a321!!!! And had been terminated !!!!Because his fo, son of , friend of , uncle of, with super perfcet air style wsnt able to keep a ******* center line!!!!!!!!!!
But nooooooo we are racists but noooo we are contractors....
kurvah my 2 cents
Centerline control has been an issue for years ! How about crosswinds ? Did you ever have to help out with the rudder with a 7kt crosswind ? Cessna 150 limitation is 12, by the way. All this is nothing new. Re-read my post about the low standards.
Wake up ? I did and left ! Safety and the associated stress were my concern. You advise the current employees to wake up. I am sure most of them are awake, but what is your suggestion ? Another "October Revolution" ;-) ?
My suggestion is: all expats lay down your work and get the f..k out ! Now they can see how to run the Flying Circus since they know it all so much better !
Nice thought, but not so easy, right ? Expats who are settled there with families, children in schools, girlfriends and motobikes need to be paid for. Easy to tell them all to "wake up". How about you go to the fleet office and tell them that. I am sure they will appreciate it. Stay safe !
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No Viet can be fired, as simple as that ! These guys , one day soon , will kill people.
Some SFOs , more than ready for command, are showed the door, to allow, these local top guns to be on the left seat.
the circus will stop when VNA will write off an aircraft or will injured someone.
Ps Where did it happen ?
Some SFOs , more than ready for command, are showed the door, to allow, these local top guns to be on the left seat.
the circus will stop when VNA will write off an aircraft or will injured someone.
Ps Where did it happen ?
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Sorry
Guys; I deleted my last post as I was posting in a rumor only; but it seems it was not so much a rumor after all.
Some of my latin american coleagues confirmed to me and I was shown pictures of the Runway Excursion in Hanoi; it was a complete excursion of the right main wheel; the Da Nang excursion did apparently break a few runway lights after it was affected by a 27kt gust left crosswind (reported wind by TWR was wind veing variable with 3!), but returned to the center of the runway without leaving the paved surface; it still requires to be mentioned that it IS and foremost will always be a Captains responsability to decide who is in what function during a critical phase and what to do when things do not go as planned. The Expat Pilot is at fault for that oversight, NO matter the experience level of the First Officer. What I was explained by colleagues is that he IS accepting full responsability, something I admire of him! (Yes, perhaps a local pilot would not, but perhaps he would, we do not know...)
The Hanoi incident crew was reported to have been a local, to say full Vietnamese crew, and the aircraft's right main wheel completely left the paved surface. I was not told if the aircraft returned to the runway, if it taxied to the gate or stayed where it was. And its not important now...
The part that is of importance is that colleagues of us, be it Expats or Locals, made dificult yet wrong decisions, and I belive its easy to blame and point fingers when he/she was not or has never been in that situation, but yes, it would be nice to see "constructive corrective actions" instead of a correction that is typical of the punitive culture that everyone hates so much, be it local or foreign.
What happened last week is bad; not for the Expats, not for the locals, but for ANY pilot professionally operating in Vietnam!
Some of my latin american coleagues confirmed to me and I was shown pictures of the Runway Excursion in Hanoi; it was a complete excursion of the right main wheel; the Da Nang excursion did apparently break a few runway lights after it was affected by a 27kt gust left crosswind (reported wind by TWR was wind veing variable with 3!), but returned to the center of the runway without leaving the paved surface; it still requires to be mentioned that it IS and foremost will always be a Captains responsability to decide who is in what function during a critical phase and what to do when things do not go as planned. The Expat Pilot is at fault for that oversight, NO matter the experience level of the First Officer. What I was explained by colleagues is that he IS accepting full responsability, something I admire of him! (Yes, perhaps a local pilot would not, but perhaps he would, we do not know...)
The Hanoi incident crew was reported to have been a local, to say full Vietnamese crew, and the aircraft's right main wheel completely left the paved surface. I was not told if the aircraft returned to the runway, if it taxied to the gate or stayed where it was. And its not important now...
The part that is of importance is that colleagues of us, be it Expats or Locals, made dificult yet wrong decisions, and I belive its easy to blame and point fingers when he/she was not or has never been in that situation, but yes, it would be nice to see "constructive corrective actions" instead of a correction that is typical of the punitive culture that everyone hates so much, be it local or foreign.
What happened last week is bad; not for the Expats, not for the locals, but for ANY pilot professionally operating in Vietnam!