Vietnam Airlines (info please)
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Have you guys been made to take a pay cut yet. I have heard that it was between 2.5 and 5%. Question..they did make a profit this year so far....didn't they? And has anyone else in the airline been told they are getting one too if the expats get one. Sounds like an interesting place to go (or leave) if they are behaving like that. What happens if they make a loss? It sounds like it is going to get worse before it 'might' get better. New guys...beware. By the looks of the other threads there are jobs around with anyone with experience and recency. Lets face it, by what you guys have had to deal with and are putting up with....they'll be far easy and certainly more stable. Good luck!
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forget the numbers.......profits going to the roof......analisys, balance sheets , its all blablabla
this is pocket change compared to what they KNOW can save
who knows but up to 100 times more if they get better fuel management policy , hotel bills, all the catering they steal per flight , & many more
this is a political move from the airline.......specially from some guy that doesnt like 2 much expats
they have been told to cut expat salaries as they get paid too much
& that is the bottom line of all this
no matter what anyone say from any agency they will continue until their objective is met.......capiche
now PARC is saying something about some agreement made for 5% and they will take 2,5% from that.....oh how nice............
RAl is still talking things out
some say for 6 months others even 12 months....& then back to the normal salary
now Direct is taking already pilots with the new salary cut into it
in my opinion the only point here with all this fuzz around the cut
WE HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT...............end of story
let the agencies take this cut for 6 months or whatever time frame
theyre making thousands out of our monthly pay anyway already
basically doing nothing!!!!
this has to be a mutual agreement for any change.............nothing mutual about this........its 1 way deal they wanna do
but then again...........no one knows how & when this will end.......
this is pocket change compared to what they KNOW can save
who knows but up to 100 times more if they get better fuel management policy , hotel bills, all the catering they steal per flight , & many more
this is a political move from the airline.......specially from some guy that doesnt like 2 much expats
they have been told to cut expat salaries as they get paid too much
& that is the bottom line of all this
no matter what anyone say from any agency they will continue until their objective is met.......capiche
now PARC is saying something about some agreement made for 5% and they will take 2,5% from that.....oh how nice............
RAl is still talking things out
some say for 6 months others even 12 months....& then back to the normal salary
now Direct is taking already pilots with the new salary cut into it
in my opinion the only point here with all this fuzz around the cut
WE HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT...............end of story
let the agencies take this cut for 6 months or whatever time frame
theyre making thousands out of our monthly pay anyway already
basically doing nothing!!!!
this has to be a mutual agreement for any change.............nothing mutual about this........its 1 way deal they wanna do
but then again...........no one knows how & when this will end.......
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So are the Direct Personel guys on the 6 or 12 month reduction or is it permanent for the whole contract? I can see if the guys were out of work it would be tough for them but as I said earlier if DP had no people on their books then VN would have had to go back to PARC and Rishworth. Are many guys looking elsewhere because it sounds like the contracts with VN are not worth the paper they are written on if VN and the agencies behave like this.
Cathay just announced a big lift in profit and I hear Qatar and most operaters in the Middle East are starting up the recruitment again which will help the guys from South America etc with getting home, not to mention the better conditions re schooling, housing etc and there are jobs in China so the jobs are going to be coming back soon guys so good luck and 'em. If they have aircraft sitting against the fence with no one flying them how do they explain that to the "Party" and the People. Maybe this Duk guy will have some explaining to do. "Every dog (or Duk) has it's day" it's called Karma.
Cathay just announced a big lift in profit and I hear Qatar and most operaters in the Middle East are starting up the recruitment again which will help the guys from South America etc with getting home, not to mention the better conditions re schooling, housing etc and there are jobs in China so the jobs are going to be coming back soon guys so good luck and 'em. If they have aircraft sitting against the fence with no one flying them how do they explain that to the "Party" and the People. Maybe this Duk guy will have some explaining to do. "Every dog (or Duk) has it's day" it's called Karma.
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A330 typical roster
Anyone with an up-to-date typical roster on VN A330 ?
Because the Rishworth T&C's still mention only 5 destinations for the A330 : SGN,HAN,DAD,KIX,NRT,ICN. I wish the network was actually wider...
What about layover cities on the A330 ?
Btw this newly issued summary of Rishworth conditions with VAC ratifies the new 10% paycut for newjoiners in the first 12 months (~8300 USD back down from~9200 USD),already introduced with PARC.
Cheers.
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Because the Rishworth T&C's still mention only 5 destinations for the A330 : SGN,HAN,DAD,KIX,NRT,ICN. I wish the network was actually wider...
What about layover cities on the A330 ?
Btw this newly issued summary of Rishworth conditions with VAC ratifies the new 10% paycut for newjoiners in the first 12 months (~8300 USD back down from~9200 USD),already introduced with PARC.
Cheers.
W
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Maybe this Duk guy will have some explaining to do. "Every dog (or Duk) has it's day" it's called Kamma.
"Vietnamese Commies whom even their Russian advisers despise. ''Arrogant little people with arrogant little minds and the vicious disposition of serpents,'' an honorable Soviet pilot calls them."
same same some wretched pommies walk'in about this place.
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answers to PappyJ
I won't take up the space and don't have the time to give you the full version but here's the short answer to all your questions:
You can't compare, and shouldn't expect it, to be anywhere close to something in the western hemisphere.
Planning to come here? By all means do but do your homework, i.e. read this thread!
You can have a real good time here, but don't expect it to be anything close to what you are used to. This place is special, to say the least!
You can't compare, and shouldn't expect it, to be anywhere close to something in the western hemisphere.
Planning to come here? By all means do but do your homework, i.e. read this thread!
You can have a real good time here, but don't expect it to be anything close to what you are used to. This place is special, to say the least!
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now look Ade
A well respected pomme of my aquaintance is working in Nam, an englishman, ex- serviceman, and of proper airline operational expertise.
lf you have a problem with your wide paint brush, maybe we ought to discuss " patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel" ?
You should apologise for that remark, Sir.
lf you have a problem with your wide paint brush, maybe we ought to discuss " patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel" ?
You should apologise for that remark, Sir.
Incident: Vietnam Airlines A320 at Ho Chi Minh City on Aug 7th 2009, hydraulics problems
By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Aug 7th 2009 13:22Z, last updated Friday, Aug 7th 2009 13:24Z
A Vietnam Airlines Airbus A320-200, registration VN-A302 performing flight VN-453 from Nha Trang to Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) with 164 passengers, was on approach to Ho Chi Minh City, when the crew noticed an abnormal level of hydraulics fluid in one of the hydraulics systems affecting the aircraft brakes and declared emergency. The aircraft blew two main gear tyres during the subsequent landing on runway 25L (3800 meters/12500 feet concrete) and got stuck on the runway. The passengers deplaned onto the runway using stairs brought to the airplane.
By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Aug 7th 2009 13:22Z, last updated Friday, Aug 7th 2009 13:24Z
A Vietnam Airlines Airbus A320-200, registration VN-A302 performing flight VN-453 from Nha Trang to Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) with 164 passengers, was on approach to Ho Chi Minh City, when the crew noticed an abnormal level of hydraulics fluid in one of the hydraulics systems affecting the aircraft brakes and declared emergency. The aircraft blew two main gear tyres during the subsequent landing on runway 25L (3800 meters/12500 feet concrete) and got stuck on the runway. The passengers deplaned onto the runway using stairs brought to the airplane.
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From what my collegue told me, yes it was probably vn 302 and it probably had 164 pax on board, the rest .....lets say not quite correct. Sorry the runway length might be right too.....then again this could be a rumour too.
So what is happening with the contracts?? Has anyone resigned yet.
Sounds like Adrian is out of line and has explaining to do or you guys have got some problems amongst the ranks......maybe you boys need to sit down in a corner and try to sort a few issues out like adults instead behaving like well.....
So what is happening with the contracts?? Has anyone resigned yet.
Sounds like Adrian is out of line and has explaining to do or you guys have got some problems amongst the ranks......maybe you boys need to sit down in a corner and try to sort a few issues out like adults instead behaving like well.....
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Hey Azlee. 2 Questions
1. have you read the pages before now and
2. why????????????????????
There must be other places to go where you can trust the paper you sign the contracts you sign your name to, that wont change just because the management hate expats and use a "loss" as a BS excuse. Protect youself before you sign a thing. Have a good look around. Good luck and keep the Blue side up
1. have you read the pages before now and
2. why????????????????????
There must be other places to go where you can trust the paper you sign the contracts you sign your name to, that wont change just because the management hate expats and use a "loss" as a BS excuse. Protect youself before you sign a thing. Have a good look around. Good luck and keep the Blue side up
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still waiting for etihad, heard they'll start calling in aug but now news yet, i dunt have degree so KAL is out of question.
tough times, just looking for any possibilities.
tough times, just looking for any possibilities.