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Just in case it turned out to be a bad decision....like after a bad night out.... can one get out and go home before the 3/5 yrs of the contract are up. Would there be a penalty or a notice period for this?
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Just in case it turned out to be a bad decision....like after a bad night out.... can one get out and go home before the 3/5 yrs of the contract are up. Would there be a penalty or a notice period for this?
thanks
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Thanks for that DL, presumably one gets to see the proposed contract early on in the process before sims etc?
A few questions if you have the patience:...
My wife a young daughter are keen to come out for the duration. As far as keeping them on the straight and narrow are there sports clubs/hotels that one can become a member of and use the pool? Is HCMC that kind of place...?
Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?
And finally not to re open the debate on days off from last year, but is it 7 days per 6 weeks of your rotation or 7 days per calendar month adjusted for the 2 weeks you are away (10.5 per 6 weeks)?
thanks again and any info very welcome.
hope they reopen the recruitment soon.... summer is over in the UK!
A few questions if you have the patience:...
My wife a young daughter are keen to come out for the duration. As far as keeping them on the straight and narrow are there sports clubs/hotels that one can become a member of and use the pool? Is HCMC that kind of place...?
Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?
And finally not to re open the debate on days off from last year, but is it 7 days per 6 weeks of your rotation or 7 days per calendar month adjusted for the 2 weeks you are away (10.5 per 6 weeks)?
thanks again and any info very welcome.
hope they reopen the recruitment soon.... summer is over in the UK!
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Days off are exactly as i said earlier. You get 7 local days off per month, you must have a 36 hour break every 7 days or a 60 hour break in 10 days. the 7 days doesn't start at midnight but when you sign on so in effect it's not 7 days but 168 hours.
Rotation, vacation or whatever you want to call your 2 weeks off all counts as a day off, as does sick days. The definition of a day off is " a day free of all duty ", notice the lack of pre-notified here, so a sick day counts as a day off.
So if you return from rotation or vacation or whatever you want to call it on the 3rd, you will only get 4 more days off that month. If you return from rotation on the 7th, and leave on the 23rd of the next month, you will get no days off, but you will get a 36 hour break every 168 hours, or in effect 1 day a week, so 5 days in total.
It is quite normal to work 8 days before you go on rotation. They will owe you a 60 hour break, which will be your first 2 days of rotation/vacation. But they will be vacation days, not days off.
Some of the new frontier guys are just figuring this out. As i said it's not as utopian as you might think.
On a different subject, i heard that VAC are not accepting apps from PARC or RAL for line capts so what are you asking the new guys to do. Have no job or income to support their families because taking a slightly lower salary will upset the guys already there? It's not their fault. It's the contract world. We all have families to support.
Rotation, vacation or whatever you want to call your 2 weeks off all counts as a day off, as does sick days. The definition of a day off is " a day free of all duty ", notice the lack of pre-notified here, so a sick day counts as a day off.
So if you return from rotation or vacation or whatever you want to call it on the 3rd, you will only get 4 more days off that month. If you return from rotation on the 7th, and leave on the 23rd of the next month, you will get no days off, but you will get a 36 hour break every 168 hours, or in effect 1 day a week, so 5 days in total.
It is quite normal to work 8 days before you go on rotation. They will owe you a 60 hour break, which will be your first 2 days of rotation/vacation. But they will be vacation days, not days off.
Some of the new frontier guys are just figuring this out. As i said it's not as utopian as you might think.
On a different subject, i heard that VAC are not accepting apps from PARC or RAL for line capts so what are you asking the new guys to do. Have no job or income to support their families because taking a slightly lower salary will upset the guys already there? It's not their fault. It's the contract world. We all have families to support.
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ia1166, You must be full as a boot mate.
Look at your previous posts mate.
"..born and bred aussie.."???
You're a pommie mate! Next ya'll be wavin' the American flag and claimin' yur from Georgia!
I'm born and bred australian adrian.
Look at your previous posts mate.
02 Oct 2001 - I've worked for a couple of charter outfits in the UK. My advice is if you want to live in the UK join BA.
08 July 2001 - I lived in manchester during your first year and remember the house of evil quite well.
10 June 2003 - i kept both my houses in the uk when i left 3 years ago, both rented i have never had to pay the mortgage.
14 Jan 2005 - Mate, you might want to look at the housing market and cost of living in europe vs the salary in EK. after 25 years of comfortable living, putting your kids through school in the M.E. are you really going to have enough to retire to a nice house and live out retirement? It's better to stay with a charter airline and do the 25 year course with them, get free schooling, live in your own gaff and get a pension. My mates back in the UK are far better off than me, and their wives don't get harrased at the supermarket.
20 June 2004 - another whinging australian post.you guys have a reputation to uphold i suppose but try working with no seniority list. many of us would trade places with you guys.
"..born and bred aussie.."???
You're a pommie mate! Next ya'll be wavin' the American flag and claimin' yur from Georgia!
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My wife a young daughter are keen to come out for the duration. As far as keeping them on the straight and narrow are there sports clubs/hotels that one can become a member of and use the pool? Is HCMC that kind of place...?
Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?
Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?
Visas can be sorted out for your family by local agents, they last six months.
And yes, plenty of health clubs, pools and deserted beaches!
Cheers, D.L.
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Thanks guys for the responses. The 'time at home' routine is clearly variable but I get the gist of it (just).
The girls are adventurous for sure. The 10 month old one too much for her own good!
Important to go in eyes open. Difficult to get a sense of when it may start again but registered and keeping my ears to the ground.
The girls are adventurous for sure. The 10 month old one too much for her own good!
Important to go in eyes open. Difficult to get a sense of when it may start again but registered and keeping my ears to the ground.
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The nearest decent beach is 4-5 hours away. I'm single and from what i see there isn't all that much to do for a wife and children in Saigon. It's aheavily polluted city. Schools cost 12,000 us a year per child. There are quite a few guys here who have sent there families home and are on 5 on 3 off rosters or 4 and 4 or 4 and 2.
My advice would be to come out on your own first, bring the wife over to look around once you're on line and make a decision on the costs of living here. If your single it's cheap, if your out here with the wife and kids, big house etc, it can get a bit expensive. It depends on what you want from it i guess.
My advice would be to come out on your own first, bring the wife over to look around once you're on line and make a decision on the costs of living here. If your single it's cheap, if your out here with the wife and kids, big house etc, it can get a bit expensive. It depends on what you want from it i guess.
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IA1166, the point that I was trying to make without "threatening" (see previous post) anyone was that if DPI do not have anyone on their books to offer VN.....then they dont have a contract and it would force VN to continue to go to Rishworth/PARC for their crew requirements only. Then everyone wins, including the families.
And by the sounds of it you are a TRE, and I assume you are on a higher salary. However out of interest, have the TRE's salaries been looked at the same way as the line pilots. I am just looking at this whole situation with you guys. This could be the start...."thin edge of the wedge" as they say.
Do you know if Rishworth or PARC have been asked by any of their other overseas contracts to reduce the pay of their pilots? As I said VN actually made a profit and are ordering more aircraft, there must be other companies around doing alot worse. It sounds like you guys are being well and truly scammed.
And by the sounds of it you are a TRE, and I assume you are on a higher salary. However out of interest, have the TRE's salaries been looked at the same way as the line pilots. I am just looking at this whole situation with you guys. This could be the start...."thin edge of the wedge" as they say.
Do you know if Rishworth or PARC have been asked by any of their other overseas contracts to reduce the pay of their pilots? As I said VN actually made a profit and are ordering more aircraft, there must be other companies around doing alot worse. It sounds like you guys are being well and truly scammed.
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Right now, from an A330 skippers point of view, the thought is that Parc is sending out emails to people on it's books just trying to give everyone that warm wet feeling when in fact they have absolutely no idea when or if, the next course of 330 drivers is going to be asked for.
Having said that the silence from Rishworth is deafening !!
Having said that the silence from Rishworth is deafening !!
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Vietnam Airlines forecasts profit of US$1.6m
Date : 09 Jul 2009 1514 hrs
HANOI: Vietnam Airlines has estimated a pre-tax profit of 1.6 million dollars for the first half, despite the global downturn and H1N1 flu pandemic hitting global air travel.
The figure compares with a loss of 4.65 million dollars in the same period last year, which was blamed on higher fuel prices, which surged in the first six months before diving as the economic crisis set in.
In a press statement on Thursday, the flag carrier forecast revenue in the January-June period was 637 million dollars, compared with 680 million dollars last year.
The airline's business "had been seriously influenced by the world economic crisis and the type A (H1N1) epidemic... which reduced the demand for travelling by foreign passengers," it said.
H1N1 flu, classed as a pandemic by the World Health Organization, has infected more than 94,000 people and killed more than 400 around the world.
Despite the challenging global environment, Vietnam Airlines said it transported 0.6 per cent more passengers, totalling 4.5 million, during the first half.
The carrier added that it did not have to reduce staff while many other international airlines had to lay off employees and scale down operations.
For the full-year 2008 it reported a pre-tax profit of 14 million dollars, picking up in the second half as fuel costs fell.
Vietnam Airlines expects to triple its fleet of 50 aircraft by 2020, and officials say it is seeking to become one of the region's leading carriers.
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HANOI: Vietnam Airlines has estimated a pre-tax profit of 1.6 million dollars for the first half, despite the global downturn and H1N1 flu pandemic hitting global air travel.
The figure compares with a loss of 4.65 million dollars in the same period last year, which was blamed on higher fuel prices, which surged in the first six months before diving as the economic crisis set in.
In a press statement on Thursday, the flag carrier forecast revenue in the January-June period was 637 million dollars, compared with 680 million dollars last year.
The airline's business "had been seriously influenced by the world economic crisis and the type A (H1N1) epidemic... which reduced the demand for travelling by foreign passengers," it said.
H1N1 flu, classed as a pandemic by the World Health Organization, has infected more than 94,000 people and killed more than 400 around the world.
Despite the challenging global environment, Vietnam Airlines said it transported 0.6 per cent more passengers, totalling 4.5 million, during the first half.
The carrier added that it did not have to reduce staff while many other international airlines had to lay off employees and scale down operations.
For the full-year 2008 it reported a pre-tax profit of 14 million dollars, picking up in the second half as fuel costs fell.
Vietnam Airlines expects to triple its fleet of 50 aircraft by 2020, and officials say it is seeking to become one of the region's leading carriers.
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ANY oppurtunity for airframe and powerplant tech in vietnam airlines
Hi ,,,
M an aircraft tech working in south asia.. I would be glad to have the info if vietnam airline is recruting engineers or technicians rite now.. M working in A320with V2500 engine in line.
Thanks.
Good day.
M an aircraft tech working in south asia.. I would be glad to have the info if vietnam airline is recruting engineers or technicians rite now.. M working in A320with V2500 engine in line.
Thanks.
Good day.
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Financial status changes as quick as the roster!
Vietnam Airlines posts drop in profit
(14-07-2009)
(14-07-2009)
HA NOI — National flag carrier Vietnam Airlines is continuing to see a strong decline in pre-tax profit, which was just VND28 billion (US$1.6 million) in the first half of the year.
In first quarter alone, the carrier’s pre-tax profit was VND24 billion ($1.3 million). In the following three months, the airline earned just VND4 billion ($224,000).
This year’s figures are well down from the same period last year when the airline earned an average monthly pre-tax profit of VND20 billion ($1.1 million).
Vietnam Airline’s business in the first six months of this year was strongly affected by the world recession and the A/H1N1 flu pandemic, the carrier said.
Although revenue from domestic flights increased by 15 per cent in the first half of the year, the carrier only managed a total revenue of VND11.35 trillion ($630.5 million), equivalent to 48.09 per cent of its yearly target.
During the first six months of this year, Vietnam Airlines operated 32,319 flights, carrying more than 4.4 million passengers.
The volume of domestic passengers increased by 8.8 per cent over the same period last year, reaching more than 2.9 million passengers. However, the number of international passengers was 1.5 million, down 11.8 per cent from the same period last year.
"The drop in international passengers is caused by the decreasing volume of foreign visitors coming to the country. In the first half, this volume decreased by 20 per cent. Of those, the number of visitors using airlines was down by 11.6 per cent," the airline said. In the first half of the year, Vietnam Airlines seat occupancy rate was 72.5 per cent.
The airline carried 59,405 tonnes of cargo, 49.6 per cent of its yearly plan, representing a fall of 6.8 per cent over the same period last year.
The airline contributed VND124.2 billion to the State budget in the first half.
To offset costs, "in the next six months we will also improve our competitiveness and services to maintain our market share," the carrier said.
To save fuel, Vietnam Airlines has opened four new domestic routes since July, helping the company cut between four and 10 minutes off each flight and save $6-7 million in fuel costs.
In the next six months, the airline will also receive additional Government support.
Earlier, the Government approved projects to improve the quality of 10 airports.
Furthermore, the Government also gave the green light to Vietnam Airlines to buy an additional 32 Airbus, 11 Boeing and 11 ATR 72 planes. —
In first quarter alone, the carrier’s pre-tax profit was VND24 billion ($1.3 million). In the following three months, the airline earned just VND4 billion ($224,000).
This year’s figures are well down from the same period last year when the airline earned an average monthly pre-tax profit of VND20 billion ($1.1 million).
Vietnam Airline’s business in the first six months of this year was strongly affected by the world recession and the A/H1N1 flu pandemic, the carrier said.
Although revenue from domestic flights increased by 15 per cent in the first half of the year, the carrier only managed a total revenue of VND11.35 trillion ($630.5 million), equivalent to 48.09 per cent of its yearly target.
During the first six months of this year, Vietnam Airlines operated 32,319 flights, carrying more than 4.4 million passengers.
The volume of domestic passengers increased by 8.8 per cent over the same period last year, reaching more than 2.9 million passengers. However, the number of international passengers was 1.5 million, down 11.8 per cent from the same period last year.
"The drop in international passengers is caused by the decreasing volume of foreign visitors coming to the country. In the first half, this volume decreased by 20 per cent. Of those, the number of visitors using airlines was down by 11.6 per cent," the airline said. In the first half of the year, Vietnam Airlines seat occupancy rate was 72.5 per cent.
The airline carried 59,405 tonnes of cargo, 49.6 per cent of its yearly plan, representing a fall of 6.8 per cent over the same period last year.
The airline contributed VND124.2 billion to the State budget in the first half.
To offset costs, "in the next six months we will also improve our competitiveness and services to maintain our market share," the carrier said.
To save fuel, Vietnam Airlines has opened four new domestic routes since July, helping the company cut between four and 10 minutes off each flight and save $6-7 million in fuel costs.
In the next six months, the airline will also receive additional Government support.
Earlier, the Government approved projects to improve the quality of 10 airports.
Furthermore, the Government also gave the green light to Vietnam Airlines to buy an additional 32 Airbus, 11 Boeing and 11 ATR 72 planes. —
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Hi everyone,
anyone here who is flying the ATR 72 for Vietnam Airlines?
need some insider info for a major decision!!
thx
What is the Cpt. pay?
What roster?
Any benefits?
Commuting possible?
Rishworth offer currently, will check Parc!
anyone here who is flying the ATR 72 for Vietnam Airlines?
need some insider info for a major decision!!
thx
What is the Cpt. pay?
What roster?
Any benefits?
Commuting possible?
Rishworth offer currently, will check Parc!
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Standard roster pattern:
6 weeks ON duty, 2 weeks OFF duty
$8,335 per month
You will commence your contract with the standard roster pattern above. There is the opportunity to
change roster patterns once on contract to Option A or B which is subject to approval by Vietnam
Airlines.
Option A:
5 weeks ON duty, 3 weeks OFF duty
$6,946 per month
Option B:
4 weeks ON duty, 4 weeks OFF duty
$5,557 per month
The above payment and roster patterns will apply from 14 days after commencement of Ground
School. For the first 13 days you will receive $65 per day plus hotel accommodation and ground
transportation provided by Vietnam Airlines.
ATR72 monthly payment amounts will increase by 2% in May 2011 and again in May 2012.
6 weeks ON duty, 2 weeks OFF duty
$8,335 per month
You will commence your contract with the standard roster pattern above. There is the opportunity to
change roster patterns once on contract to Option A or B which is subject to approval by Vietnam
Airlines.
Option A:
5 weeks ON duty, 3 weeks OFF duty
$6,946 per month
Option B:
4 weeks ON duty, 4 weeks OFF duty
$5,557 per month
The above payment and roster patterns will apply from 14 days after commencement of Ground
School. For the first 13 days you will receive $65 per day plus hotel accommodation and ground
transportation provided by Vietnam Airlines.
ATR72 monthly payment amounts will increase by 2% in May 2011 and again in May 2012.
Good luck, D.L.
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It seems that the 'new' deal for new contracts is a 10% reduction on the basic salary for the FIRST TWELVE MONTHS ONLY, and then returning to the usual rate. All other conditions remain the same.
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Vietnam Airlines
Hello. I'm a A320 TRE and I'm thinking to move to Vietnam Airlines. How about the roster 4 on/4 off?
I've received some information (PARC) and it seems to be good? I think this roster is interesting, but do they really offer this roster?
I'm thinking to take my family (I have 2 child, 4 & 5 years old) if they don't offer me the 4/4 roster. What about schools and houses in HCMC.
Thanks
I've received some information (PARC) and it seems to be good? I think this roster is interesting, but do they really offer this roster?
I'm thinking to take my family (I have 2 child, 4 & 5 years old) if they don't offer me the 4/4 roster. What about schools and houses in HCMC.
Thanks
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"All other conditions stay the same"?!?!?!? If they were at all interested/serious about saving money they would put any new starters in Hanoi for a year and they would save $1000s every week and just leave the salaries as they are. Then everyones happy, unless there was a person getting a kickback from the min number of rooms being used in Hanoi every night. But surely that wouldn't happen as the government is doing everything in their power to stop corruption.....or am I just being naive 