Rishworth 777 contract
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Rishworth 777 contract
Just got offerred the 777gig with Air India. Contract is an absolute joke.
Pay is pathetic, no allowances, buy your own end etc etc
Has anyone actually taken this contract?
Pay is pathetic, no allowances, buy your own end etc etc
Has anyone actually taken this contract?
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Received from Rishworth on 9 October 2007:
Looks like Air India has backtracked.
Also from Rishworth:
Monthly payment: Examiners US$13,500, Instructors US$13,000, Check Captains US$12,500, Line Captains US$12,000. Contract completion bonus of US$50,000. Net of Indian taxes.
Regrettably, these terms were published on the basis of verbal advice we received prior to final approvals being obtained. We have now been advised that the confirmed rates are as follows:
Monthly payment: Examiners US$11,500, Instructors US$11,000, Check Captains US$10,500, Line Captains US$10,000. Bonuses of US$40,000, paid annually (12k, 13k, 15k). Tax Crew Member's responsibility. Full details are contained in the revised briefing document attached.
We do regret that you were initially provided with incorrect information.
Regrettably, these terms were published on the basis of verbal advice we received prior to final approvals being obtained. We have now been advised that the confirmed rates are as follows:
Monthly payment: Examiners US$11,500, Instructors US$11,000, Check Captains US$10,500, Line Captains US$10,000. Bonuses of US$40,000, paid annually (12k, 13k, 15k). Tax Crew Member's responsibility. Full details are contained in the revised briefing document attached.
We do regret that you were initially provided with incorrect information.
Also from Rishworth:
The roster is 14 consecutive days off every 2 months.
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But look at how many guys on contracts dont have family, and really couldnt care less if they here or there....
The ones without family is probably the ones that stay there.
The ones without family is probably the ones that stay there.
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$10,000 to fly a 777 and be away for 6 weeks is simply too little money. With the amount of A/C orders worldwide it is going to get harder and harder for them to get pilots and it is about time that we as pilots get a fair share of the pie. I hope that people put their SJS a side and stay away from that contract, they either get competitive or get a ramp full of A/C's. There are contracts here in Japan and Africa paying around $9000 a month to fly a CRJ. $120,000 a year to fly a 777, give me a break
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I'll take it!
$10,000 to fly a 777 and be away for 6 weeks is simply too little money.
And why not, I'll take it, know a whole bunch of guys who would not hesitate.
And why not, I'll take it, know a whole bunch of guys who would not hesitate.
The pay going down when the contrast agency realises they have some interest is a common ply. I verbally agreed to contract through PARC for a European carrier. Once they thought they had me, suprise suprise - the pay offer went down! I told them to get stuffed.
Have a look at the other contract agencies. Sometimes the same jobs are advertised with better conditions.
But deal with contract agencies the same way you would deal with a cobra. Very carefully! (Edit; the snake. not the beer!).
And these Ts and Cs for a widebody command are p!ss poor. Anyone who agrees to them gets what they deserve. If India is serious about improving it's aviation infrastructure, it had better start paying the going rate. Don't they realise there's a shortage of pilots!
Have a look at the other contract agencies. Sometimes the same jobs are advertised with better conditions.
But deal with contract agencies the same way you would deal with a cobra. Very carefully! (Edit; the snake. not the beer!).
And these Ts and Cs for a widebody command are p!ss poor. Anyone who agrees to them gets what they deserve. If India is serious about improving it's aviation infrastructure, it had better start paying the going rate. Don't they realise there's a shortage of pilots!
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I guess BALEWA and his buddies can always fill the void!
Do not sell yourself short gentlemen, The pilot shortage will only get worst and if we don't demmand good salary and conditions when the jobs are abundant. When will we?
Do not sell yourself short gentlemen, The pilot shortage will only get worst and if we don't demmand good salary and conditions when the jobs are abundant. When will we?
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$10000 US a month to fly a B777 in India
Never I willwork for those conditions
Even Vietnam Airlines which is a poor country operator is paying $12000 a month NO TAX
And many B777 Captains at VN are expecting a pay raise very soon
By the way those 6 weeks ON and 14 days OFF should improve
It Started in Vietnam in 1994 since then nothing better
An office worker in EU or North America, as well as Australia is having 2 days OFF a week plus 15 to 21 days of annual leave which is 119 to 126 days a year
6 on 2 off in only 90 days a year
Never I willwork for those conditions
Even Vietnam Airlines which is a poor country operator is paying $12000 a month NO TAX
And many B777 Captains at VN are expecting a pay raise very soon
By the way those 6 weeks ON and 14 days OFF should improve
It Started in Vietnam in 1994 since then nothing better
An office worker in EU or North America, as well as Australia is having 2 days OFF a week plus 15 to 21 days of annual leave which is 119 to 126 days a year
6 on 2 off in only 90 days a year
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the joy of tax
ok so there seems to be alot of negative talk about the tax situation. but no facts. can someone who has actually worked in india as a longhaul pilot comment on what they do/did about tax? if you are off around the world on duty, then you can hardly be labelled a tax resident in india? or do they have some cunning plan to get you no matter what. how about a few facts and less heresay.
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Well!
Well I called Rishworth and spoke to a very polite lady and the terms offered compared to what is being published here is not bad.
As a matter of fact it looks like people are putting wrong details here.
Currently one of our guys here has accepted the offer with Rishworth and three other local guys who flew the A340 and B767 here in Lagos are off to Etihad and Emirates.
By the way Dominican If you can find a better offer back home than the one offered by Rishworth, I suggest you stay home
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As a matter of fact it looks like people are putting wrong details here.
Currently one of our guys here has accepted the offer with Rishworth and three other local guys who flew the A340 and B767 here in Lagos are off to Etihad and Emirates.
By the way Dominican If you can find a better offer back home than the one offered by Rishworth, I suggest you stay home
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Hey BALEWA, of course you'd fly a 777 for $10,000 a month, that is, if you had the type rating as a Captain and some time on type, but I'm afraid that you more than likely don't, and you are just a dreamer. I would have loved to have done the same when I left the aeroclub a loooong time ago... Good luck anyway. I think you'll find that the operators that start to pay the correct rate for experienced pilots will crew their expensive kit and the others will be cancelling flights. There's a certain 777 operator on the Korean peninsula with brown planes who is starting to run short of pilots and it is about to get a WHOLE LOT WORSE for them...
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Hi nike, you can call her yourself, the number is on this site 
meagain believe me Sir a B777 TR will not be a problem to acquire at this time for me, but the fact is I have no plans on leaving my current position here in Lagos, have not found any airline out there paying more than what F/O's are picking up here, and I am home also (Thank the good Lord).
Concerning Rishworth, I am accomodated in a compound with quite a few other pilots from all corners of the world including Nigeria and do share and take part in information gathering from agencies and airlines around the world just like everyone else.
So quite happy here and no captaincy or 777 is going to lure me away from my current position
All the best and happy hunting.
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meagain believe me Sir a B777 TR will not be a problem to acquire at this time for me, but the fact is I have no plans on leaving my current position here in Lagos, have not found any airline out there paying more than what F/O's are picking up here, and I am home also (Thank the good Lord).
Concerning Rishworth, I am accomodated in a compound with quite a few other pilots from all corners of the world including Nigeria and do share and take part in information gathering from agencies and airlines around the world just like everyone else.
So quite happy here and no captaincy or 777 is going to lure me away from my current position
All the best and happy hunting.
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Single Local Pilot Based in Lagos F/O B737
$6000 USD/Month tax free (ie TAX paid by airline)
60/80 Block Hours a month
$150 per diem on overnight stops (hotel paid by airline)
10 Consecutive Days off
Airline provide fully furnished apartment at Base Residence
Gnd Trans to/from airfield to crew hotel
Gnd Trans to/from airfield to Base Residence
One free ticket a year and 75% off any other ticket for self/family local/Intl
Medical Insurance and access to Airline medical facilities
Uniform/ID Documents manuals provided by airline
Travel Ticket/$1000 provided by airline for sim recurrency travel
And a bunch of great gals and fellas to fly with both local and expatriates
$6000 USD/Month tax free (ie TAX paid by airline)
60/80 Block Hours a month
$150 per diem on overnight stops (hotel paid by airline)
10 Consecutive Days off
Airline provide fully furnished apartment at Base Residence
Gnd Trans to/from airfield to crew hotel
Gnd Trans to/from airfield to Base Residence
One free ticket a year and 75% off any other ticket for self/family local/Intl
Medical Insurance and access to Airline medical facilities
Uniform/ID Documents manuals provided by airline
Travel Ticket/$1000 provided by airline for sim recurrency travel
And a bunch of great gals and fellas to fly with both local and expatriates
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Thanks oldboldpilot - great to see people posting info without turning it into a drama session.
I am sure there are many like myself who are just interested to see what's going on contract-wise around the world.
If the contract is as you advise (understand not doubting your figures) an interesting mix, the main concern being the tax (which from posts of a few months ago is an ongoing sh*t fight for Rishworth in India in general.)
If you could control/negate the tax then the carrot (15 days consecutive off) would be enticing to some - assuming the requirements of "crewing" don't turn them into a mirage. Sure THAT would never happen!
Accommodation, however handled, will leave a dent in finances and seems travel is unclear to an extent that both the costs and frustrations may be unpleasant surprises.
Interesting you are an "independant contractor" whilst Rishworth will be getting their fees each month, every month, having "delivered" you to the airline and Rishworth appear to provide little in way af ongoing support.
Oh - and I have a sneaking suspicion they would have gotten a kickback from your 777 endorsement; if not then very slack of Rishworth - business wise shame, shame, shame!
Seems India and Rishworth don't mesh that well for whatever reason.
OPEN QUESTION: anyone care to mention other contractors operating on behalf of airlines in India??
The good, bad and ugly??
I am sure there are many like myself who are just interested to see what's going on contract-wise around the world.
If the contract is as you advise (understand not doubting your figures) an interesting mix, the main concern being the tax (which from posts of a few months ago is an ongoing sh*t fight for Rishworth in India in general.)
If you could control/negate the tax then the carrot (15 days consecutive off) would be enticing to some - assuming the requirements of "crewing" don't turn them into a mirage. Sure THAT would never happen!
Accommodation, however handled, will leave a dent in finances and seems travel is unclear to an extent that both the costs and frustrations may be unpleasant surprises.
Interesting you are an "independant contractor" whilst Rishworth will be getting their fees each month, every month, having "delivered" you to the airline and Rishworth appear to provide little in way af ongoing support.
Oh - and I have a sneaking suspicion they would have gotten a kickback from your 777 endorsement; if not then very slack of Rishworth - business wise shame, shame, shame!
Seems India and Rishworth don't mesh that well for whatever reason.
OPEN QUESTION: anyone care to mention other contractors operating on behalf of airlines in India??
The good, bad and ugly??
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Had a query along the lines of what would have to change with the contract to make it appealing. Well these are a few to start with:
*A lot more money. would have to be well over the hundred grand mark
(perhaps less if endorsement was provided)
*less time on, more time off (eg 3 on / 2 off)
*Travel supplied to home city of residence, not just to the nearest company port.
*Perhaps an actual base of operation eg Mumbai with accommodation provided, rather than bouncing around the network for duration of time on & living out of a suitcase
*Allowances
Basically it would take a pretty radical improvement for myself, or any of my collegues for that matter, to consider this contract.
*A lot more money. would have to be well over the hundred grand mark
(perhaps less if endorsement was provided)
*less time on, more time off (eg 3 on / 2 off)
*Travel supplied to home city of residence, not just to the nearest company port.
*Perhaps an actual base of operation eg Mumbai with accommodation provided, rather than bouncing around the network for duration of time on & living out of a suitcase
*Allowances
Basically it would take a pretty radical improvement for myself, or any of my collegues for that matter, to consider this contract.
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I agree Rootcheck, that contract stinks. How can they expect people with families to be away that long and then home for a short period, and do it again and again indefinetely.
These agancies and airlines need to take a long hard look at what they offer as unrealistic. The sooner more planes are parked the better, I have no sympathy
These agancies and airlines need to take a long hard look at what they offer as unrealistic. The sooner more planes are parked the better, I have no sympathy