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Old 4th Nov 2007, 20:59
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From what llchew related, looks like the ATC controller did well to initiate " corrective " action. DCA had completed their investigation, any word from MASwings?
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Old 6th Nov 2007, 03:28
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MAS pilots are the best and well trained in the world, so they can't be at fault !!! It must be the other party .....
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Old 6th Nov 2007, 06:40
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Yep, ATC wasn't wrong and MAS pilots are always right since they're well-trained. Surely the guy making the approach is wrong.
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Old 6th Nov 2007, 11:05
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And we all know about the great standard of aa pilots as well

Had a lot of incidences over the years all of them self induced
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Old 6th Nov 2007, 21:17
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llchew, can you confirm that it was an air asia flight and a fax flight involved. I believe it was the last day of operation of tony fernandes's FAILED fax airline.

geez wooble... u just never quit do you??

lookey here... just admit it... llchew has confirmed that the controller did his job and your MAS guy didnt. the controller then got the aa guy to fly west which he did immediately. if he didnt react...u could have kissed the MASwings aircraft goodbye. u guys took over already when that happened. you made a booboo... lick yr wounds and live with it.

and MASguy...i agree. enough with the teenage "ahbeng" LERS! three words... ENGLISH PROFICIENCY TEST
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Old 6th Nov 2007, 21:22
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And we all know about the great standard of aa pilots as well

Had a lot of incidences over the years all of them self induced
oh dear ALL KNOWING AND KNOWLEDGABLE ONE... why dont u state the "ALOT of incidences".

and we are talking about the BKI case here... not the past. get with the programme. your over-defensiveness of your airline is superceeding your judgement
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Old 7th Nov 2007, 06:50
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Last I heard the pilots were "hand me downs" from the defunct former Air Asia X (the RAS ops) ........ so guess they were technically not MAS

As they say "there's more to it than meet the eyes"
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Old 8th Nov 2007, 07:45
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EY777...u must be brothers or related in someway to mr.LERS

cos u seem to be tembak-ing away
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Old 8th Nov 2007, 08:49
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Call me whatever you want 420, it is an undisclosed fact that MAS inherited AAX, lock, stock & barrel.The date of the incident itself lends credence to the chaos created by the hasty handover of AAX's fleet to MasWings

It's also a well known fact that MAS pilots were redeployed after Air Asia inherited the RAS ops & they never looked back.So those in MasWings are ex AAX pilots.

Come to think of it ....... Air Asia was also bailed out at MAS's & GOM's expense.All's fair now I guess .......
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Old 8th Nov 2007, 11:22
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Frankly speaking, AAX took 60 mil from the government (subsidy) and ran the service into the ground. The money was used to set up long range venture while leaving the government to foot the 20 mil maintenance bill as well. Where is Chrome now to complain about the tax payer’s money being handed over to Dandy Fernandi? Nah, that’s not corruption at all.
Also, AAX is to be compensated for losing the rural air services before the end of the contract. The figure is around 200 mil. It’s a hot issue now due to elections, so Dandy would have to settle down for some other form of compensation. What corruption?
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Old 8th Nov 2007, 16:31
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Guys.
MH has been the cash cow generation after generation. We are so protected by the govt and MOT that we even get to train AA 330 pilots because we asked for it!!!!

No secrets here.

DO you really want to get into a comparison game of which pilot is better?Hmmm.

Just because a company/concept is doing well, does not mean that its all good.

The world around, the legacy of "our" profession/industry is under threat. By whom/what.

Hei.....small world la the pilot scene here in malaysia. We all know enough.

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Old 9th Nov 2007, 07:26
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Let's get back to the core subject about the air miss....

i)MasWings took off on wrong runway and AA on approach took evasive action as intructed by approach controller.

ii)MasWings pilots are from previous FAX(Fly Asian Express) which belongs to AA. However AA doesn't train F50 or Twin Otter pilots. These pilots are the original MAS pilots that went to FAX when FAX gets the licence to run the RAS!

Correct me if I'm wrong......
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Old 9th Nov 2007, 09:16
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ii)MasWings pilots are from previous FAX(Fly Asian Express) which belongs to AA. However AA doesn't train F50 or Twin Otter pilots. These pilots are the original MAS pilots that went to FAX when FAX gets the licence to run the RAS!

Correct me if I'm wrong......
Partly wrong.

MASwings pilots are ex-FAX, but not all are originally from MAS. MAS never had Japanese or female pilots, let alone lady Japanese pilot.
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Old 12th Nov 2007, 15:56
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The Japanese lady is and has been on the 737 for 3 years now. Not sure if there's a Japanese lady in FAX. Whatever it is, FAX pilots were trained by RAS pilots. You can't really say AK trained them when there is no facility at all in our academy for them. In fact I have never met a Fokker 50 pilot in the 4 years I've been in the company. But I don't care about FAX really. Not now, not before. Especially after I heard some ex-RAS pilots seconded to FAX acted as if they were kings and were troublesome to operations. I'm glad we got rid of them morever after MAS got the local politicians and people to pressure AirAsia to increase frequency, complain about this and that. too much bickering and no progress. It was a bad thing to inherit.

Now this is for the newbie. If YOU knew about this, what are the chances the whole world also does? Quite high isn't it? And if this is at the slightest true, wouldn't ACA or Commercial Crimes come running to investigate? You can create the rumours that suit you but AAX has Middle East, Japanese and Sir Richard Branson as investors. Why would AAX screw it up? Wouldn't you think these would all be discovered during due diligence?

You think you're in the aviation loop when you're as sharp as a marble to believe anything that is thrown to you. You think the Government is so stupid and blind to let whatever you accuse of happen especially since politicians and ministers are always looking out to protect their backs or get promoted. The simplest explanation is the best one really. Quit your rumour mongering and read up CAP413 or something.
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Old 18th Nov 2007, 03:10
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Devil

Again more rubbish from chrome. You sound like a wet between the ears newbie.

Fax. Failed airline set up by your company. Cost the East Malaysian Government millions in lost tourist revenue because YOU couldn't run it properly. Took loans to set it up and is now trying to get out of it through connections dandie fernandie has made. TAX PAYERS MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN. YOU DID NOT INHERIT RAS AND THE F-50'S. You lobbied for it and royally screwed it up. So fax aka scare asia screwed up. This is your first and probably not your last.

ACA and others would only investigate if the Pm's dept instigated an investigation.

Is the Government stupid and blind. Self explanatory my little aa sponsored academy boy.

Politicians, well ..............................

Wake up little boy we all know about glass houses.

Wooblah.
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Old 18th Nov 2007, 04:53
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Actually AirAsia didn't lobby for the RAS if you remember it correctly. Why in the world would Tony Fernandes go shouting "We've ordered 100 A320s! Give us those Mulu and Limbang flights!"

AirAsia just wanted route rationalization, more domestic routes and break a monopoly that is screwing the country up. MAS' defense was that the local routes was impossible to make profit from and that they needed time. The smart Government we all voted in (or didn't) decided to ask MAS to just concentrate on their international routes and reducing their local ones. The end result was AirAsia was given more domestic routes but had to take over RAS too.

I personally admit FAX screwed up but I and a lot others had expected it. It was bound to screw up since the people who ran it had no experience in running it, inherited a lot of problems I prefer not to reveal since some people will take offence and especially since the handover back has been done. Now it's all good. The services are run by the people already experienced with it as it should be.

Sabah and Sarawak (by the way old man, we don't call them East Malaysians anymore) might have lost a few million in revenue in the 1 year of FAX operations but the Federal Government lost billions in tax revenue in decades of MAS operations but let's not go to what is already widely known. Again, I personally admit FAX tried but failed.

When you say ACA won't start anything unless the PM's Department instigates an investigation, it shows you know little of the corruption prevention laws of Malaysia. The ACA doesn't even need a report to start an investigation. They can start something even if they suspect something is wrong. How do you know their intelligence unit isn't already collecting information? I am quite well versed in the ACA's operations as I did a study on them during uni days. If there is proof of any wrongdoing, they will act.
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Old 18th Nov 2007, 20:32
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MAS, Air Asia and the whole Malaysian aviation corporate structure stink! The apologists for all these leeches are sure out to protect their mothership; the Malaysian public needs to call for full accounting, their tax dollars are all down the toilet. The ACA will act? Don't start me on that one!
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 06:43
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Question

Chrome,

I really don't believe what I am reading from you. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED and I see no further reason in reiterting my points. Kamu nak namu, bleit da.

And East Malaysians do prefer this title as we prefer not to be associated with people like you.
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Old 19th Nov 2007, 19:43
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Holy crap, chrome conducted a study on ACA in the uni! There went my tax ringgits down the jamban! Sigh.........
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 23:51
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Indeed! Tax ringgit down the toilet! Mara, JPA scholarship beneficiaries squandering my hard earned money studying ACA atur caras? Good grief!
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