Korean Air Expat Contract
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ELAC
Thanks for that.
Amused only because I remember when I had to choose an agency, upon telling the other I had decided to use ?????? the response was "...I am disappointed you chose not to use the best contract agency!"
I am sure PARC must be terribly, terribly mortified that you apparently place LLC (do they have a website yet??) above themselves.
Hurried Disclaimer: above very much in jest (
), might need a position through PARC one day.
(actually a lovely, lovely bunch of people!)
Thanks for that.
Amused only because I remember when I had to choose an agency, upon telling the other I had decided to use ?????? the response was "...I am disappointed you chose not to use the best contract agency!"
I am sure PARC must be terribly, terribly mortified that you apparently place LLC (do they have a website yet??) above themselves.
Hurried Disclaimer: above very much in jest (
), might need a position through PARC one day.(actually a lovely, lovely bunch of people!)
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ELAC wrote:
" if you deal with anybody it should be John Hitch at CCL"
ELAC
I called him. Seems like a sharp guy, nice change of pace. Hope to work with him. Thanks
RDG
" if you deal with anybody it should be John Hitch at CCL"
ELAC
I called him. Seems like a sharp guy, nice change of pace. Hope to work with him. Thanks
RDG
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I am sure PARC must be terribly, terribly mortified that you apparently place LLC (do they have a website yet??) above themselves.
Actually, Parc was never involved with Korean during my time there so I can't say anything for them yea or nae. If they are now recruiting for KE then they would certainly be worth considering before any of the 3 dununnda outfits mentioned earlier ... and that's the skinny on that
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I have (and still) work with PARC since '99 and I have always been paid on time and have even used the insurance they had provided on a contract back in '01. If they were involved on the KAL job I would go through them as well, unfortunately, they are not due to exsisting business with the other Korean carrier.
If someone is looking at a contract somewhere the PARC is a part of, I'd say use them.
RDG
If someone is looking at a contract somewhere the PARC is a part of, I'd say use them.
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Just wondering if The Dominican had any further thoughts to add??
It sounded like sour grapes for a while but some objectivity started to shine through, although I would like to know if there are more recent experiences than 2003 since there is a good friend that has been offered a position at KAL
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Nope, Elac beat me to a pulp. It sounded like sour grapes for a while but some objectivity started to shine through, although I would like to know if there are more recent experiences than 2003 since there is a good friend that has been offered a position at KAL
Accept my apologies, I probably reacted too harshly earlier on.
I worked at KE until 2005, so my observations are valid to that point. From speaking to friends nothing much has changed in the mean time, save that they are now critically short of pilots.
I'd suggest that your good friend think carefully, and talk to the guys with a number of years in at KE, before accepting a position there. It's not all bad, but unless he has previous experience with Korea he may be in for a rude awakening when his line training starts.
Enjoy Japan,
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LIFE as an EXPAT PILOT
ELAC, after reading all your information I do understand thats the way our life as an EXPAT pilots
, if you are in India you must be knew from the local news paper how bad is Air Sahara management, even now the top managements from Jet Airways has difficulty to change the behaviour of Air Sahara employers
, and looking to other sides I have friends working for KAL since more than 14 years starting from F28 and now B744, they have no complaint at all, actually there is nothing wrong with India, only bad luck for me was I'm joinning the wrong company and wrong agent (Brookfield Aviation) and I can't change that unless I'm out from India for at least 1 year
, because Air Sahara won't give me No Objection Certificate to joint another company within India (this the bad mentallity from the flight operation management) for that reason I always said it will be better if your management were expats pilot like Spice/Jet Airways, so my choice is KAL althought I tried to China before but may application has no reply at all I knew it would be not as good as you are in your own country but like I said this is the life as an EXPAT pilots
, if you are in India you must be knew from the local news paper how bad is Air Sahara management, even now the top managements from Jet Airways has difficulty to change the behaviour of Air Sahara employers, and looking to other sides I have friends working for KAL since more than 14 years starting from F28 and now B744, they have no complaint at all, actually there is nothing wrong with India, only bad luck for me was I'm joinning the wrong company and wrong agent (Brookfield Aviation) and I can't change that unless I'm out from India for at least 1 year, because Air Sahara won't give me No Objection Certificate to joint another company within India (this the bad mentallity from the flight operation management) for that reason I always said it will be better if your management were expats pilot like Spice/Jet Airways, so my choice is KAL althought I tried to China before but may application has no reply at all I knew it would be not as good as you are in your own country but like I said this is the life as an EXPAT pilots
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speedtwoten,
I do understand the difficulties you've had with Sahara. I'm certainly glad I'm not involved in that lot, and the Indian NOC rule does make it more tricky. Good luck with Korean.
ELAC
I do understand the difficulties you've had with Sahara. I'm certainly glad I'm not involved in that lot, and the Indian NOC rule does make it more tricky. Good luck with Korean.
ELAC
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Accept my apologies
Maybe off topic, but what is you folks opinion on how the contract market is shaping up? the need for pilots will increase not only for A/C orders but for a decrease of applications as our own markets are increasing the hiring. In the States for example, most majors are hiring now and not everyone would be willing to do the insane commute for current contracts and most western nations aviation markets are also turning around. Will this force the hand of contract carriers abroad to increase benefits? Evidently the contract option is more lucrative but maybe a little unstable (If there is anything stable in aviation really) will this bring better conditions besides a little more job security?
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I got the offer to start 15 October or 3 December.
Next year's start dates are not confirmed yet.
Both above mentioned dates are not filled.
If you can give less than 3 months notice, they will be all over you.
Pay rise for the 777 to be anounced any day now.
Good luck.
Next year's start dates are not confirmed yet.
Both above mentioned dates are not filled.
If you can give less than 3 months notice, they will be all over you.
Pay rise for the 777 to be anounced any day now.
Good luck.
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Just ran into a guy that left my company to work for KAL and it sounds like to much sitting around in Seoul in a hotel.Thats too inefficient for me. They advertise be based any place on the system but seems to be a lot of DH from say JFK or LAX if you are from the US...I much prefer to fly my tail off and go home.And screw the DH stuff..
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Doug, The way I read it they could base you in JFK but it would be a DH every trip to Inchon to get started. JFK is 777 or 747-400 only ... Just more time away from base...
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October Interview
Hey Fra2008, I don't know if CCL is right about the numbers, as I was offered an interview on September 10th by another agency for non-type rated B777 DECs, but could not make it this soon, so I had to ask for a further date.
A friend of mine was declined a spot on this same dates, although he is B777 type rated!
For both of us, KAL said to wait for a date on October.
Anyway, my agent said that they are getting desperate for DECs as the aircrafts are being grounded there for the lack of pilots.
I hope all this is true and all of us get an opportunity to interview with KAL and get the job.
SF
A friend of mine was declined a spot on this same dates, although he is B777 type rated!
For both of us, KAL said to wait for a date on October.
Anyway, my agent said that they are getting desperate for DECs as the aircrafts are being grounded there for the lack of pilots.
I hope all this is true and all of us get an opportunity to interview with KAL and get the job.
SF
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After KAL Interview
Guys,
Just got back from the KAL interview (I'm a 744 Capt) and it went exactly as briefed by the agent (CCL) the results were supposed to be announced 2 weeks after and all of us are still waiting (all fleets)
What I can say so far is that they seems to be a little more easy that they were in the past except the instructors in the sim, all Korean guys were nice with us. So far, and if I compare with my airline (Jade Bull**** Cargo) it's a dream place !
So wait and see....
Just got back from the KAL interview (I'm a 744 Capt) and it went exactly as briefed by the agent (CCL) the results were supposed to be announced 2 weeks after and all of us are still waiting (all fleets)
What I can say so far is that they seems to be a little more easy that they were in the past except the instructors in the sim, all Korean guys were nice with us. So far, and if I compare with my airline (Jade Bull**** Cargo) it's a dream place !
So wait and see....
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KAL Interview
Hello,
Im just curious to see if you went direct with KAL or did you go through a recruitment agencies. What is your opinion on this issue. I have an interview organised for November by Risworth agency.
Can anyone possibly give a break up of the days events for the assessment, and how many days it took.
If you are based in Australia, how does the tax situation affect individuals, does the Aust. govenment tax our income earnings???
Thanks for the support and info.
PS:Is there anything to watch out or look out for during the assessment.
Im just curious to see if you went direct with KAL or did you go through a recruitment agencies. What is your opinion on this issue. I have an interview organised for November by Risworth agency.
Can anyone possibly give a break up of the days events for the assessment, and how many days it took.
If you are based in Australia, how does the tax situation affect individuals, does the Aust. govenment tax our income earnings???
Thanks for the support and info.
PS:Is there anything to watch out or look out for during the assessment.
TCPILOT you have to go through an agency, you cannot work for Korean directly.
The whole process takes three days. You tend to do the medical and the sim. assessment in the first two days, (the order being dependent on the amount of free time available on the sim. programme) and the interview is done on the final day. You may even get a day free between the sim/medical and the interview. Typically you will be flown (Business class) to Seoul on Sunday and the process then begins on the Monday morning.
Your tax liability in Australia will depend on your personal circumstances, and you should seek professional advice.
There are no particular GOTCHA's in the whole assessment. The medical is thorough, but if you have any "issues" it is possible to pass provided you can show that other regulatory authorities (CASA) are happy with you. You don't mention which type, or seat you are applying for, but the sim. assessment is straightforward. They don't expect you to fly to Korean SOP's, they are looking to see that your ability matches your CV. I would advise you make maximum use of the automatics. Check carefully the required G/S angle when flying the VOR/DME approach from the FAF for 33R at ICN (it's 6% or about 3.6 degrees IIRC). And don't let down your guard just because you finish with a visual!
Good luck.
The whole process takes three days. You tend to do the medical and the sim. assessment in the first two days, (the order being dependent on the amount of free time available on the sim. programme) and the interview is done on the final day. You may even get a day free between the sim/medical and the interview. Typically you will be flown (Business class) to Seoul on Sunday and the process then begins on the Monday morning.
Your tax liability in Australia will depend on your personal circumstances, and you should seek professional advice.
There are no particular GOTCHA's in the whole assessment. The medical is thorough, but if you have any "issues" it is possible to pass provided you can show that other regulatory authorities (CASA) are happy with you. You don't mention which type, or seat you are applying for, but the sim. assessment is straightforward. They don't expect you to fly to Korean SOP's, they are looking to see that your ability matches your CV. I would advise you make maximum use of the automatics. Check carefully the required G/S angle when flying the VOR/DME approach from the FAF for 33R at ICN (it's 6% or about 3.6 degrees IIRC). And don't let down your guard just because you finish with a visual!
Good luck.
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TC
If you have not signed the "5-year-no-other-agent" with Richworthless, do not use them.
You will not have any of these questions, if you went with CCL.
The sim is straight fwd. The candidates man for each other. We actually had a good laugh (incl Korean TC).
Airborne, return due security, VOR app, land.
T/O max wt, EFATO, return, G/A, visual 1eng circuit.
T/O RTO, no evac.
Good luck
If you have not signed the "5-year-no-other-agent" with Richworthless, do not use them.
You will not have any of these questions, if you went with CCL.
The sim is straight fwd. The candidates man for each other. We actually had a good laugh (incl Korean TC).
Airborne, return due security, VOR app, land.
T/O max wt, EFATO, return, G/A, visual 1eng circuit.
T/O RTO, no evac.
Good luck
