Hijacked MAS flight MH 653 on 4th December 1977
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Hi Sireh, got your pm. OK, I will bite. However, please remember that what I am about to relate happened some 8 or 9 years ago when I was still in KAL. Some of the events might not have happened in chronological order.
The person in question was , for some reasons, given an abbreviated name Gsingh by the airline. I did fly with him once in an augment crew complement but did not interact much with him; neither did I have much an opinion about him. However an incident on a bus commute from the crew hotel ( KAL crew used to stay in Renaissance hotel somewhere in an affluent section of SEL and commute to/from Kimpo International airport by the KAL limousine bus service ) made me wary of this individual. He was trying to goad a fellow Asian pilot to make fun of another Asian pilot ( with whom I had known ) about that person's Catholic faith...something about holey " holes " when the Catholic guy talked about the Holy Week and other things holy. Fortunately, the other younger Asian pilot told him to knock it off and this Gsingh guy took offense and berated him. He also pilloried another of his colleague who he called ( if I remembered right ) " Alzheimer " and accused the other pilot of not differing to him in boycotting the person he called " Alzheimer ". I believe the younger chap told him off ( it was a bit difficult to make out their version of Malaysian English ). Later on, I was to learn from other Asian pilots that he called the paricular person Alzheimer because he was forgetful in not addressing him by some royal title he claimed to have inherited.
I found it disconcerting having such an individual around as a colleague and years later I found that it paid to be wary of such a moron. A fellow pilot nearly paid heavily for this individual's shifty ways. He had an engine pod strike but did not report it but took the aircraft back to base ( a 2 legs flight ); the damage was discovered later.
The person in question was , for some reasons, given an abbreviated name Gsingh by the airline. I did fly with him once in an augment crew complement but did not interact much with him; neither did I have much an opinion about him. However an incident on a bus commute from the crew hotel ( KAL crew used to stay in Renaissance hotel somewhere in an affluent section of SEL and commute to/from Kimpo International airport by the KAL limousine bus service ) made me wary of this individual. He was trying to goad a fellow Asian pilot to make fun of another Asian pilot ( with whom I had known ) about that person's Catholic faith...something about holey " holes " when the Catholic guy talked about the Holy Week and other things holy. Fortunately, the other younger Asian pilot told him to knock it off and this Gsingh guy took offense and berated him. He also pilloried another of his colleague who he called ( if I remembered right ) " Alzheimer " and accused the other pilot of not differing to him in boycotting the person he called " Alzheimer ". I believe the younger chap told him off ( it was a bit difficult to make out their version of Malaysian English ). Later on, I was to learn from other Asian pilots that he called the paricular person Alzheimer because he was forgetful in not addressing him by some royal title he claimed to have inherited.
I found it disconcerting having such an individual around as a colleague and years later I found that it paid to be wary of such a moron. A fellow pilot nearly paid heavily for this individual's shifty ways. He had an engine pod strike but did not report it but took the aircraft back to base ( a 2 legs flight ); the damage was discovered later.
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An ex kimchiland denizen confirmed that that pariah bai did indeed tried his tricks to be the big boss of the ex MAS boys over in SEL. Most just let it be but a few resisted whereupon the kondehless creep tried to fix them up. Wasn't that typical of that scumbag like the days in MAS? Gee, I am still sore he signed over our FC seats when he was in MAPA.
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Ha, didn't know that so many have axe to grind with this singh. I too was in kimchiland many years ago....flew a couple of times with this ass, real big foul mouth pain. A real piece of work, he quieten down a lot after being forced to undergo several sim rechecks after the engine pod case which he tried to hide. I personally flew with the so called " Alzheimer " he berated............this guy was a great colleague, humble, knowledgeable and above all a true gentleman. I believe this nice gentleman also retired but I understand from the other Malayan guys he has stressed induced leukemia upon retirement........get well, my friend. Enjoy your retirement like me
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Hi Barney...that scumbag did not INHERIT any royal title. He was given one by the sultan of his home state for being a great brown noser, the same sultan who now demolish whatever semblance of democracy they have in his state of perak.
Coming back to the ill fated MH 653 flight, it was the first major air disaster in Malaysia and I would have thought that the lessons learnt might have been passed on to newer generations in a more forthcoming manner. Years later, I believe an Ethiopian B767 was similarly hijacked and ended in a ditching disaster when the hijackers bludgeoned the crew as they attempted a landing by the beach somewhere in the Comoros. This disaster was highlighted in some documentary by Discovery or National Geographic.
Coming back to the ill fated MH 653 flight, it was the first major air disaster in Malaysia and I would have thought that the lessons learnt might have been passed on to newer generations in a more forthcoming manner. Years later, I believe an Ethiopian B767 was similarly hijacked and ended in a ditching disaster when the hijackers bludgeoned the crew as they attempted a landing by the beach somewhere in the Comoros. This disaster was highlighted in some documentary by Discovery or National Geographic.
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Most of the lessons learnt from the MH653 disaster were incooperated into MAS SEP procedures wrt to hijack conditions. However most are only applicable in Malaysian airspace as only local ATC and the special actin squad ( UTK ) are familiar with the procedures. It would not be prudent to elabotae further on the specifics in this public forum.
As for the guy you all called scumbag, g-string, etc; I would say unequivocally that he is indeed a real piece of work. Sometime ago to help get a sidekick of his off the hook for a sexual harassment case in MAS, he got his lawyer goons and other scumbags to threaten the poor victim's life. The poor girl ( a fellow Punjabi at that ) had to capitulate and withdaw the complaints. There a lot of nasty things this low life did and I guess those still in MAS should watch out for the son whose is 100% chip of the old nasty block.
As for the guy you all called scumbag, g-string, etc; I would say unequivocally that he is indeed a real piece of work. Sometime ago to help get a sidekick of his off the hook for a sexual harassment case in MAS, he got his lawyer goons and other scumbags to threaten the poor victim's life. The poor girl ( a fellow Punjabi at that ) had to capitulate and withdaw the complaints. There a lot of nasty things this low life did and I guess those still in MAS should watch out for the son whose is 100% chip of the old nasty block.
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So now we know where GS is ...what about Roland Thomas and where does he fit in into the scheme of things ?How did the two of them end up in Jet Airways ?And I'm still curious to know about Capt.Ganjoor's family and what exactly did GS end up doing to the family ?
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Kondehless bai and RAT
In the early 90's Jet Airways started operations by wet leasing some B737-400s from MAS. RAT jumped at the chance to make some inroads into India as insurance in case Dato Khairi's regime got toppled, which indeed happened. As part of the deal in the wet lease, RAT sold himself as some development expert, roped in the scumbag g-string and went on to con both MAS and Jet. They were supposed to be seconded by MAS to Jet; but they got both MAS and Jet to pay them......double dipping. After RAT retired from MAS, he remained in Jet as part of the deal; the bai remained tagged to the deal, continuing with the double dipping until he was unceremoniously dumped from Jet for sexual harassment of a female Jet pilot. He supposedly underwent a humiliating " kowtow " Indian type public apology ceremony to the girl before he was let off. Then he scooted off to KAL
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Ha, that was precisely that happened! Not forgetting the money siphoned off from MAPA members whenever there were MAPA functions, this pundeh bai and his rabbit teeth sidekick will pocket whatever they could.
As for the kowtow apology, it's more like kissing the feet of the person one had wronged......Indian thingy befitting the creep.
As for the kowtow apology, it's more like kissing the feet of the person one had wronged......Indian thingy befitting the creep.
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I have always wondered how MAS pilots come to elect that crook as their MAPA prezident. I remembered his arrogant and foul mouth attitude to my fellow pilots when he was in flight ops audit.
The MAS SEP procedures incorporated was unique and I must say they were quite useful; I just don't know how they would hold up in today's post 911 environment.
The MAS SEP procedures incorporated was unique and I must say they were quite useful; I just don't know how they would hold up in today's post 911 environment.
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un professionalism
I have read several threads in this forum and this is my first and last post.
I feel compelled to comment on the un professional posts on this thread.
Being an anonymous forum, it is quite sad that the likes of MASMAMAK and MAT TONGKANG choose to use first names, derogatory slang and racists remarks.
I have never been with MAS- however have several friends there . Being in an airline down south i am appalled at the way these 2 individuals are commenting and speculating- quite often with wrong information.
One can only conclude that-
1. the above stated 2 are bored with their job and have the bolehland mentality that their race is superior.
2. Stuck in their respective SAND PITS- flying for some outfit, and to past the time - gossip like girls!!!
I dont claim to know the individuals you are tearing apart, however i disagree with name mentioning and racist comments.IT IS JUST WRONG TO CRUCIFY THE MAN, AND NAME HIM BASED ON YOUR OPINION OF HIM. Yes he may be all you said,....but really- GROW UP GUYS!!! Call yourself pilots???
This is quite typical of the country and race the 2 individuals belong to.
That is the exact attitude why the country has gone to the dogs and the airline is being run by monkeys.-
Be MEN- if you mention ones name- be brave enough to put yours forward and beat your chest like the monkeys you are.:
PS- I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS WHO KNOW YOU MR MAT TONGKANG- AND FROM THEIR COMMENTS- YOU SHOULD BETTER SPEND YOUR TIME ON AVIATION TYPE MATTERS . WORD IS YOU ARE A TERRIBLE OPERATOR/ BUT HEY YOU KNOW THAT IM SURE!!
- after all , why did you get to where you are ??
I feel compelled to comment on the un professional posts on this thread.
Being an anonymous forum, it is quite sad that the likes of MASMAMAK and MAT TONGKANG choose to use first names, derogatory slang and racists remarks.
I have never been with MAS- however have several friends there . Being in an airline down south i am appalled at the way these 2 individuals are commenting and speculating- quite often with wrong information.
One can only conclude that-
1. the above stated 2 are bored with their job and have the bolehland mentality that their race is superior.
2. Stuck in their respective SAND PITS- flying for some outfit, and to past the time - gossip like girls!!!
I dont claim to know the individuals you are tearing apart, however i disagree with name mentioning and racist comments.IT IS JUST WRONG TO CRUCIFY THE MAN, AND NAME HIM BASED ON YOUR OPINION OF HIM. Yes he may be all you said,....but really- GROW UP GUYS!!! Call yourself pilots???
This is quite typical of the country and race the 2 individuals belong to.
That is the exact attitude why the country has gone to the dogs and the airline is being run by monkeys.-
Be MEN- if you mention ones name- be brave enough to put yours forward and beat your chest like the monkeys you are.:
PS- I HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS WHO KNOW YOU MR MAT TONGKANG- AND FROM THEIR COMMENTS- YOU SHOULD BETTER SPEND YOUR TIME ON AVIATION TYPE MATTERS . WORD IS YOU ARE A TERRIBLE OPERATOR/ BUT HEY YOU KNOW THAT IM SURE!!
- after all , why did you get to where you are ??
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As i said i dont know him- nor would i judge him.
I do not object to opinions GOOD OR BAD on this forum about any man
i DO OBJECT to idiots who - post REAL Names of people they are ripping apart
and hide behind their
anonymity that this forum allows.
Thats the making of a coward!- and my last post mentioned 2 such morons who keep posting very personal, childish and not so accurate info and comments.- in more than one thread.!!
I could be 39 or 69 or 9.- But at any age one does not have to put up with the racists , personal and slanderous remarks, made to ANY person.
Mat Tonkang has accused the individual of some serious crimes- molestation being one of them. He also referred to him as a "Kondehless Bai".
Racist and slanderous- only made worse by the mention of HIS REAL NAME.
But this is expected of the few individuals in MAS or Ex MAS who have little professionalism running through them.Sitting and hiding behind their computers , egos bigger than their IQ they are filled with jealousy of the "others" moving up without a handout!
I do not object to opinions GOOD OR BAD on this forum about any man
i DO OBJECT to idiots who - post REAL Names of people they are ripping apart
and hide behind their
anonymity that this forum allows.
Thats the making of a coward!- and my last post mentioned 2 such morons who keep posting very personal, childish and not so accurate info and comments.- in more than one thread.!!
I could be 39 or 69 or 9.- But at any age one does not have to put up with the racists , personal and slanderous remarks, made to ANY person.
Mat Tonkang has accused the individual of some serious crimes- molestation being one of them. He also referred to him as a "Kondehless Bai".
Racist and slanderous- only made worse by the mention of HIS REAL NAME.
But this is expected of the few individuals in MAS or Ex MAS who have little professionalism running through them.Sitting and hiding behind their computers , egos bigger than their IQ they are filled with jealousy of the "others" moving up without a handout!
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D 1990...
Wait till you get to know him, then you'll be calling him names too. Don't waste your time defending him. He is extremely arrogant, and enjoys belittling people, especially in public. But, I must admit he's the best in something... Lying.
He certainly deserves to be called by all those names, believe you me.
Cheers!
Wait till you get to know him, then you'll be calling him names too. Don't waste your time defending him. He is extremely arrogant, and enjoys belittling people, especially in public. But, I must admit he's the best in something... Lying.
He certainly deserves to be called by all those names, believe you me.
Cheers!
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Debby is probably the chip of the old block. Citibank acct in S'pore by the old block to sustain offspring down in kiasuland, hence the claim of sojourn down there.
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Another one
Hassan - its no wonder you were removed from the forum before.
You are yet another sub standard , low class, kampung boy- ( yes not man!!) making assumptions.I knew you MAS supreme race pilots in the 45- 55 year band were NOT the BRIGHTEST bulbs in the building...and Hassan- you just confirmed that!
Far from the truth Mr. Hassan -( yes i know who you are,... YET ANOTHER WITH A BAD REP),.....i have nothing to do with the individuals mentioned or this thread.
Just initially was interested in the Hijack issue. thats all.-
You are yet another sub standard , low class, kampung boy- ( yes not man!!) making assumptions.I knew you MAS supreme race pilots in the 45- 55 year band were NOT the BRIGHTEST bulbs in the building...and Hassan- you just confirmed that!
Far from the truth Mr. Hassan -( yes i know who you are,... YET ANOTHER WITH A BAD REP),.....i have nothing to do with the individuals mentioned or this thread.
Just initially was interested in the Hijack issue. thats all.-
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debonaire call others racists; now what shall we call shim after the later diatribes? I don't think the posters that you mentioned identified him by his real name. Somebody else did; and your veiled threat intimating that you know who Mat, Mamak and Hassan are.....to what end my holier than you clown?
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Another one
Another boleh person from MALAYsia airlines stuck now in the sand pit.
Lots of sand in the air must breed Jealousy and bitterness.
Remember the influence the said person has and the far reaches one can go to .You can hide behind a profile name- but surely you are not that dumb to think it wont catch up on you.
if those people believe in their posts- sign your name
Lots of sand in the air must breed Jealousy and bitterness.
Remember the influence the said person has and the far reaches one can go to .You can hide behind a profile name- but surely you are not that dumb to think it wont catch up on you.
if those people believe in their posts- sign your name