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nice post taras
but u should give them another clue
it is a 9 letter word and ends with a n!
So if u guessed it now how did Alpha get to this stage if they are improving like RP keeps telling us?!
but u should give them another clue
it is a 9 letter word and ends with a n!
So if u guessed it now how did Alpha get to this stage if they are improving like RP keeps telling us?!
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Excellent post Taras. You can write so well you are too good for RPC000 and Stratocruiser and they cant cope with you. Well so what have the two of you decided? Henceforth you all will conduct your pre screening according to EPST recommendations. Lets say you all have been forced to do that. Then which new method will you adopt to lure cadets into the programme. Think quickly think you next plan
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Strato you really dont want to give up? Agreed it is a competency based
programme thus there is a stringent need to put emphasis on pre screening which you all dont. All cadets are taken who apply even if they have a very low compass score. Then they are issued a letter stating that they have passed the aptitude test and when they face problems with flying Alpha entrenches them and pockets their money. Alpha is to blame if you do not screen cadets for a competency based programme. You are really exposing the ills of Alpha through your own posts. You are making yourself a laughing stock
programme thus there is a stringent need to put emphasis on pre screening which you all dont. All cadets are taken who apply even if they have a very low compass score. Then they are issued a letter stating that they have passed the aptitude test and when they face problems with flying Alpha entrenches them and pockets their money. Alpha is to blame if you do not screen cadets for a competency based programme. You are really exposing the ills of Alpha through your own posts. You are making yourself a laughing stock
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the comments in this thread is quite disturbing. I graduated BSLegal Management in a reputable school last year and have been working in the marketing dept of a large telecomm company since then. Flying was my childhood dream so I decided to pursue it.
I went to Clark Alpha Aviation Group last week and they presented me a couple of documents. They said if I want to be an airline pilot, it is recommended that I take their Airline Pilot Training (APT) course. It costs roughly 3.4m+ Php100,000 of training materials.
The course outline is as follows:
Ground school: 14 weeks
Flight traning
Core Flying: 200 hours
Flight and Nav procedures trainer: 30 hours
A320 Multi-Crew Coop
Crew Resource Mngmt: 3 days
Fixed Base Simulator MCC sessions: 32 hours
A320 Ground School
Computer based training: 14 days
A320 Integrated Procedures trainer: 40 hours
Weight/Balance/Human Performance training: 2 days
Flight planning training
A320 Jet Orientation Training: 16 hours
A320 Advance training: 28 hours
A320 Line oriented flight training: 4 hours
A320 skill test: 2 hours
A320 zero flight time training: 2 hours
The total is basic flight training: 230 hours; Advanced Flight training (a320 simulator): 124 hours
After a couple of questions here and there, AAG said that once I finish the course, I will be provide with a Commercial Pilot License with Instrument rating and A320 Type Rating.
I'm going to take an aptitude exam next week so I was really hopeful until I saw the posts here. Now, I'm starting to think of going to OMNI for my flight schooling.
Note: I was just wondering what's the difference between AAG's APT package and the MPL course?
I went to Clark Alpha Aviation Group last week and they presented me a couple of documents. They said if I want to be an airline pilot, it is recommended that I take their Airline Pilot Training (APT) course. It costs roughly 3.4m+ Php100,000 of training materials.
The course outline is as follows:
Ground school: 14 weeks
Flight traning
Core Flying: 200 hours
Flight and Nav procedures trainer: 30 hours
A320 Multi-Crew Coop
Crew Resource Mngmt: 3 days
Fixed Base Simulator MCC sessions: 32 hours
A320 Ground School
Computer based training: 14 days
A320 Integrated Procedures trainer: 40 hours
Weight/Balance/Human Performance training: 2 days
Flight planning training
A320 Jet Orientation Training: 16 hours
A320 Advance training: 28 hours
A320 Line oriented flight training: 4 hours
A320 skill test: 2 hours
A320 zero flight time training: 2 hours
The total is basic flight training: 230 hours; Advanced Flight training (a320 simulator): 124 hours
After a couple of questions here and there, AAG said that once I finish the course, I will be provide with a Commercial Pilot License with Instrument rating and A320 Type Rating.
I'm going to take an aptitude exam next week so I was really hopeful until I saw the posts here. Now, I'm starting to think of going to OMNI for my flight schooling.
Note: I was just wondering what's the difference between AAG's APT package and the MPL course?
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do u also not do the same thing? You also sit in-front of ur pc trying to explain to us how awesome Alpha is. Difference is you get paid to do it. Taras does not get paid to write his point of view.
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yes coz its my job...
thank you for admitting it his point of view and NOT THE FACTS
Taras does not get paid to write his point of view.
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they are facts my friend. I can vouch for them all.
We both know that alpha is probation and we also know that the flying school was closed BEFORE the students who were flying in alpha could finish their training. They had just a few hours left. Some only had ONE hour left so please do not give a lame excuse by saying that it was voluntarily closed! No flying shool would do that since they are the ones losing money and the students lost time! They had to wait for a few weeks until the got their license to fly! They could not go solo before that!
That much trouble and u STILL want to say that u closed it voluntarily!
Now when they went to Australia they had to waste 2 months or so! And why ? because alpha cannot maintain its flying safety to a required standard.
My piece of advice is this. All flying school makes mistakes. Admit them, correct them and then move on and improve on it. Do not try and deny it. People here are not stupid so do not treat them like one!
We both know that alpha is probation and we also know that the flying school was closed BEFORE the students who were flying in alpha could finish their training. They had just a few hours left. Some only had ONE hour left so please do not give a lame excuse by saying that it was voluntarily closed! No flying shool would do that since they are the ones losing money and the students lost time! They had to wait for a few weeks until the got their license to fly! They could not go solo before that!
That much trouble and u STILL want to say that u closed it voluntarily!
Now when they went to Australia they had to waste 2 months or so! And why ? because alpha cannot maintain its flying safety to a required standard.
My piece of advice is this. All flying school makes mistakes. Admit them, correct them and then move on and improve on it. Do not try and deny it. People here are not stupid so do not treat them like one!
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nice
Stratocruiser
I'm glad that you will be saying it for the last time because hearing your lies and miss information is like listening to a broken tape recorder. Your repetition in defense of what Alpha group has done in the past becomes tiring, especially as you claim to be an independent. An independent would probably focus hes criticism, opinion or defense on the MPL licence and not on an organisation that is until now run by... well lets just say people that are less than honest and keep it at that 
TarasB could'nt have said it better again.
The Jordanians brother actually had to threaten Air Arabia that he would resign if he's younger brother, cadet of Clark Av, wasn't excepted. That's how far it had to go.
Also TarasB didn't get a chance to mention the Filipino students that are waiting for Clark Av to finish their course. Some for over 2 years sitting idly because of Clark Av still cant seem to organize their
There's no point in trying to defend the mistakes and errors that have been done. If anything Alpha should try to learn and correct these errors because there is potential for the Clark Av/ Alpha Av to have success. But not without these unsolved problems. A simple re-branding of the name does not suffice to hide what has been done and is still ongoing.
No pilot would ever want to invest in their own carrier knowingly that until now there are cadets who are been cheated by Clark Av/ Alpha Av and Alpha Group.
So why not focus your strengths in assisting Clark Av/Alpha Av in finding all the cadets still waiting, for jobs instead both in Sharjah and Philippines also.
Its the only way you and the rest of Alpha group will ever be correct. And that's when both facilities might be able to move forward.
RPC 000
I don't know what to say to you really. Your rebuttals are so childish and off topic, that I'm sure everyone is starting to think your mental ability is of a 12 year old. Again stick to wearing high heels because you cant do it like the big boy's.
So again in closing lets hope Alpha group in general focuses more on their abilities and professionalism in fulfilling what everyone has paid for both in Sharjah and the Philippines.
Stay safe
I will say this for the final time. Of those foreign (non-Filipino) students that passed the course, all bar one have employment. The reason that they have employment with the likes of Air Arabia is due to the great lengths that AAG went to to secure them jobs. Yes there were mistakes made by the original Clark management team, but the support of the Board of Directors and the new management team has been unwavering. The one remaining foreign MPL holder will join the happy ranks of employed A320 pilots imminently. Combined with the near 100% success rate of employed Filipino graduates, what was initially a flawed programme has turned into a wonderful success story. As an independant in this ongoing debate, I take my hat off to AAG and the ethical and unwavering support that they have provided to their customers.
TarasB could'nt have said it better again.
The Jordanians brother actually had to threaten Air Arabia that he would resign if he's younger brother, cadet of Clark Av, wasn't excepted. That's how far it had to go.
Also TarasB didn't get a chance to mention the Filipino students that are waiting for Clark Av to finish their course. Some for over 2 years sitting idly because of Clark Av still cant seem to organize their
There's no point in trying to defend the mistakes and errors that have been done. If anything Alpha should try to learn and correct these errors because there is potential for the Clark Av/ Alpha Av to have success. But not without these unsolved problems. A simple re-branding of the name does not suffice to hide what has been done and is still ongoing.
No pilot would ever want to invest in their own carrier knowingly that until now there are cadets who are been cheated by Clark Av/ Alpha Av and Alpha Group.
So why not focus your strengths in assisting Clark Av/Alpha Av in finding all the cadets still waiting, for jobs instead both in Sharjah and Philippines also.
Its the only way you and the rest of Alpha group will ever be correct. And that's when both facilities might be able to move forward.
RPC 000
I don't know what to say to you really. Your rebuttals are so childish and off topic, that I'm sure everyone is starting to think your mental ability is of a 12 year old. Again stick to wearing high heels because you cant do it like the big boy's.
So again in closing lets hope Alpha group in general focuses more on their abilities and professionalism in fulfilling what everyone has paid for both in Sharjah and the Philippines.
Stay safe
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Facts are that the current Alpha management are experienced, professional aviation managers with the highest standards of safety awareness and ethical standards. Taras B (and your few buddies), keep spouting out all the rubbish, half truths and years old information that you want
what a joke! Professional?! The news I am giving is recent! No more than 2-3 months old! So do not give us that excuse!
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Facts are that the current Alpha management are experienced, professional aviation managers with the highest standards of safety awareness and ethical standards. Taras B (and your few buddies), keep spouting out all the rubbish, half truths and years old information that you want, but please realise that nobody is listening any more (or nobody that counts anyway)
As written earlier we welcome Taras B posts and he speaks the truth and thus you are very very scared of him. No cadet will join you academy after reading all the negative posts in this thread. Have you all paused to think what aviation community must be thinking of ALPHA
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RP and STRATO
RP.... Have you noticed that STRATO removed his last post? If you have, aren't you wondering why?
To both of you I have a question and a piece of advice:
1 - Have you ever seen the inside of a jail house? Yes, that's were you will be heading for abiding in the scam.
2 - Start thinking about protecting your own backsides (otherwise the jailbirds will take care of it) by coming clean.
Lying is a sin and being an accomplice in a scam is a crime. Both carry a sentence.
Listen to what x_feed says. This thread has been going on since 2008 and will not go away until the wrongs are made right.
RP.... Have you noticed that STRATO removed his last post? If you have, aren't you wondering why?
To both of you I have a question and a piece of advice:
1 - Have you ever seen the inside of a jail house? Yes, that's were you will be heading for abiding in the scam.
2 - Start thinking about protecting your own backsides (otherwise the jailbirds will take care of it) by coming clean.
Lying is a sin and being an accomplice in a scam is a crime. Both carry a sentence.
Listen to what x_feed says. This thread has been going on since 2008 and will not go away until the wrongs are made right.
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hmmm
To Stratocruiser
If you are into 12 year old boys in high heels, then...well lets just say you need a little help and leave it at that.
Whatever your sexual fetish orientation is please keep it out of PPrune. This is a very respectable forum and no one here wants to know what turns you on.
You are so funny STORMISCOMING. I'm sure that RP looks very fetching in high heels even if he is only 12.
Whatever your sexual fetish orientation is please keep it out of PPrune. This is a very respectable forum and no one here wants to know what turns you on.
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Strato & RP
Its been a week since you last posted something here.....
Something such as the AAG/Clark good news ghost posts that, by magic, simply disappear. But you must be used to those disappearing tricks, such is the practice you have with the cadets money....
Don't disappoint us, give us some clown act.
Its been a week since you last posted something here.....
Something such as the AAG/Clark good news ghost posts that, by magic, simply disappear. But you must be used to those disappearing tricks, such is the practice you have with the cadets money....
Don't disappoint us, give us some clown act.
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Taras B
It is significant that there was no challenge to what you wrote:
RP and STRATOS, always so quick to deny the evidences posted here, have not dared say a word......
The truth hurts and those who keep the scam alive should think twice, at least, about the consequences to themselves.
It is significant that there was no challenge to what you wrote:
"I call Andrew McIntosh by the name of Scrooge because he promotes wealthy C&C Alpha Aviation Group's usurious relationships with cadets who are of little means. These relationships, along with a lack of charity and shabby treatment of the company employees in Clark, are his Scrooge-like qualities. The only presents I would ask of Andrew is to employ the remaining foreign MPL cadets from Clark Aviation or compensate them; give the wrongly-accepted/entrenched kid in Sharjah a full refund; and finish off the last batch of Pinoy MPL cadets already. They all deserve Merry Christmases after all these years.
By now it should be clear to anyone reading this thread that some of the Alpha Aviation Group managers, past and present, operate by a Lie & Deny strategy. It has worked very well in the past for these managers, and in their own minds, they think it is still working. It is certainly less expensive to lie and deny, than to spend and mend."
By now it should be clear to anyone reading this thread that some of the Alpha Aviation Group managers, past and present, operate by a Lie & Deny strategy. It has worked very well in the past for these managers, and in their own minds, they think it is still working. It is certainly less expensive to lie and deny, than to spend and mend."
The truth hurts and those who keep the scam alive should think twice, at least, about the consequences to themselves.