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ALPHA AVIATION GROUP (AAG) - PHILIPPINES
Well Stratocruiser and RP-C000, you suggest we should forget the past and move forward. Good idea, except for those couple of nagging, pesky little questions that have popped up from time to time during the 5 years this post has been running, like;
Who audits and approves AAG as a training organisation each year?
Who defines the standard for training and checking at Alpha?
Who checks and issues Flight Instructor licences at Alpha?
Who checks and issues Ground Instructor licences at Alpha?
Who does the final check flight of all students at Alpha and what are the payment arrangements for this little number?
How many staff at AAG Philippines are ex-CAAP personnel at Alpha?
Still wondering, then read on....
CAAP failed to prepare the country for the FAA review
http://philippineairspace.********.c...y-for-faa.html
CAAP failed to prepare the country for the FAA review
Manila - The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has rated the Philippines anew as "FAILED" in its aviation compliance directive, and recommended that the country should remain further under heightened surveillance (CAT 2), according to initial reports submitted to Washington.
"It (the Philippines) failed to pass our technical review" says one of the members of the FAA team that went to the Philippines two weeks ago...
Who audits and approves AAG as a training organisation each year?
Who defines the standard for training and checking at Alpha?
Who checks and issues Flight Instructor licences at Alpha?
Who checks and issues Ground Instructor licences at Alpha?
Who does the final check flight of all students at Alpha and what are the payment arrangements for this little number?
How many staff at AAG Philippines are ex-CAAP personnel at Alpha?
Still wondering, then read on....
CAAP failed to prepare the country for the FAA review
http://philippineairspace.********.c...y-for-faa.html
CAAP failed to prepare the country for the FAA review
Manila - The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has rated the Philippines anew as "FAILED" in its aviation compliance directive, and recommended that the country should remain further under heightened surveillance (CAT 2), according to initial reports submitted to Washington.
"It (the Philippines) failed to pass our technical review" says one of the members of the FAA team that went to the Philippines two weeks ago...
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Bennyboy1 agreed AAG functions under CAAP which is a mess, however AAG has been "cleaned up" why not make a visit and see for your self. It is ISO 9001 certified.
There is a new Chief training officer ex BA 77 capt who oversees all std and compliances.
AirPhil has audited AAG and soon SE Air will do the same too.
There is a new Chief training officer ex BA 77 capt who oversees all std and compliances.
AirPhil has audited AAG and soon SE Air will do the same too.
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So Alpha has the inside track on CAE's ability to make money at Clark.
Somehow I think a NYSE and TSE listed company with an annual turnover of about CAN $ 1.7 Billion which has consistently made profits of about 10% of revenue for the last number of years is likely to have a better idea about making money than Alpha. Go and look at their financial accounts. Wow what a statement from an Alpha insider which has lost a ton of money in all their "academies".
Somehow I think a NYSE and TSE listed company with an annual turnover of about CAN $ 1.7 Billion which has consistently made profits of about 10% of revenue for the last number of years is likely to have a better idea about making money than Alpha. Go and look at their financial accounts. Wow what a statement from an Alpha insider which has lost a ton of money in all their "academies".
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On the 26th January, the member Captainbrad wrote
“From what I heard, they were all endorsed to Cebu Pacific, Zest Air, Airphil. There are I think 6 MPL graduates who are unemployed, out of 100 MPL graduates. The foreigners were referred to Air Arabia but some of them turned that down, don’t know why. In all fairness to AAG, bumps in the road and all that, they produced almost 100 MPL graduates who did get into airlines. That’s saying something.”
And on the 27th I wrote
Captainbrad
"Could you elaborate on what you say here?
"There are I think 6 MPL graduates who are unemployed....... The foreigners were referred to Air Arabia but some of them turned that down, don’t know why."
Lets see if you talk FACTS or BS....."
Well….. Captainbrad, don’t you think you had enough time to get your “facts” yet?
Say something!!!!
“From what I heard, they were all endorsed to Cebu Pacific, Zest Air, Airphil. There are I think 6 MPL graduates who are unemployed, out of 100 MPL graduates. The foreigners were referred to Air Arabia but some of them turned that down, don’t know why. In all fairness to AAG, bumps in the road and all that, they produced almost 100 MPL graduates who did get into airlines. That’s saying something.”
And on the 27th I wrote
Captainbrad
"Could you elaborate on what you say here?
"There are I think 6 MPL graduates who are unemployed....... The foreigners were referred to Air Arabia but some of them turned that down, don’t know why."
Lets see if you talk FACTS or BS....."
Well….. Captainbrad, don’t you think you had enough time to get your “facts” yet?
Say something!!!!
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thats 120 to 140 of us in different airlines! Ive lost count 
Been a long time since i visited this thread. What I've learned the past 5years are..
1. Nothing's perfect
2. Someone has to make money
3. its seems a short cut.. but there's a lot of hardwork we did.
4. If you keep on complaining, nothings gonna happen to you.
5. People and companies promise you something then they will screw up, but if you want it badly, Dont let your fate be in the hands of other people. Go fix it yourself.
6. Flying is the best thing that happend to me. I hated how much time and money that was lost.. but, in the end.. It just made success so much sweeter!
7. People will rant, people will tell you to be cautious. people will pull you down. But never be afraid to make a mistake. Be afraid if you're not doing anything because of what the people around told you so.
8. Its your ability to correct your mistakes and the mistakes others has caused you that what is most important.
and lastly,
9. Once you got a license with an A320 rating in it, you're surely be hired.
While others has spent 5years bringing this company down, we've spent the first 3years trying to break it through and enjoying the past 2years reaping its benefits!
I remember, alot of people said that they will never fly with MPL pilots. Alot has changed, some till dont, some like it better flying with MPL. We will never please everyone. But one thing for sure, we got 600hours-2500hours on our belt.. plus its corresponding salary.
Enjoy and safe flight guys.
Been a long time since i visited this thread. What I've learned the past 5years are..
1. Nothing's perfect
2. Someone has to make money
3. its seems a short cut.. but there's a lot of hardwork we did.
4. If you keep on complaining, nothings gonna happen to you.
5. People and companies promise you something then they will screw up, but if you want it badly, Dont let your fate be in the hands of other people. Go fix it yourself.
6. Flying is the best thing that happend to me. I hated how much time and money that was lost.. but, in the end.. It just made success so much sweeter!
7. People will rant, people will tell you to be cautious. people will pull you down. But never be afraid to make a mistake. Be afraid if you're not doing anything because of what the people around told you so.
8. Its your ability to correct your mistakes and the mistakes others has caused you that what is most important.
and lastly,
9. Once you got a license with an A320 rating in it, you're surely be hired.
While others has spent 5years bringing this company down, we've spent the first 3years trying to break it through and enjoying the past 2years reaping its benefits!
I remember, alot of people said that they will never fly with MPL pilots. Alot has changed, some till dont, some like it better flying with MPL. We will never please everyone. But one thing for sure, we got 600hours-2500hours on our belt.. plus its corresponding salary.
Enjoy and safe flight guys.
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I remember you.....
Congrats for your successful career but how come you are forgetting those colleagues who were left behind after successfully obtaining their A320 rated MPL licences? Those who helped you during your training?
Your words:
"9. Once you got a license with an A320 rating in it, you're surely be hired."
Not at Clark....
Again your words:
"I remember, alot of people said that they will never fly with MPL pilots. Alot has changed, some till dont, some like it better flying with MPL. We will never please everyone. But one thing for sure, we got 600hours-2500hours on our belt.. plus its corresponding salary."
I'm happy for you and all those who proved that the MPL is the way of the future and, if you care to remember, I always said that. The problem was, and still is, that Clark took some, then cadets, for a ride, pocketing their money and not fulfilling the promises made. Promises that you very well know were made.
Your feedback on the success you are experiencing is very much welcome, but shouldn't you be at least a bit concerned with your colleagues that are still chasing the dream you all shared?
Just put yourself in their position and..... think.
I remember you.....
Congrats for your successful career but how come you are forgetting those colleagues who were left behind after successfully obtaining their A320 rated MPL licences? Those who helped you during your training?
Your words:
"9. Once you got a license with an A320 rating in it, you're surely be hired."
Not at Clark....
Again your words:
"I remember, alot of people said that they will never fly with MPL pilots. Alot has changed, some till dont, some like it better flying with MPL. We will never please everyone. But one thing for sure, we got 600hours-2500hours on our belt.. plus its corresponding salary."
I'm happy for you and all those who proved that the MPL is the way of the future
and, if you care to remember, I always said that. The problem was, and still is, that Clark took some, then cadets, for a ride, pocketing their money and not fulfilling the promises made. Promises that you very well know were made.Your feedback on the success you are experiencing is very much welcome, but shouldn't you be at least a bit concerned with your colleagues that are still chasing the dream you all shared?
Just put yourself in their position and..... think.
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First of all, those who helped me in my training? I know for a fact that everyone in my batch and above my batch are in the airline already. If theres some, it is because of his own undoing.
Secondly, how many are still without an airline? One guy from the last batch I knew, was released from IOE and started his productivity.
Thirdly, promises where made by clark av that wasnt fullfilled. But, what we did was made a way to meet halfway just to have a license then an airline to fly with. They failed miserably but we did we just have to find a way to get through. We did. Again, if someone who didnt get accepted in an airline, it is his own undoing. He could have done more than rely on the promises made.
I think there are tons of airlines who would not fullfill what was written in a contract or replace the whole contract to a new one. So, its part of the airline industry. Now, the question is, would you cry over that? Or do something about it? Its your choice.
I was in their position before.. even worse.. but we made it through. Im sure they can if they really want to. (if there are still MPLs in clark)
Secondly, how many are still without an airline? One guy from the last batch I knew, was released from IOE and started his productivity.
Thirdly, promises where made by clark av that wasnt fullfilled. But, what we did was made a way to meet halfway just to have a license then an airline to fly with. They failed miserably but we did we just have to find a way to get through. We did. Again, if someone who didnt get accepted in an airline, it is his own undoing. He could have done more than rely on the promises made.
I think there are tons of airlines who would not fullfill what was written in a contract or replace the whole contract to a new one. So, its part of the airline industry. Now, the question is, would you cry over that? Or do something about it? Its your choice.
I was in their position before.. even worse.. but we made it through. Im sure they can if they really want to. (if there are still MPLs in clark)
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'AAG Philippines is in rude health and providing excellent training and value for money for its current students...'
OK, well 2 months ago we all learnt that Alpha Aviation Academy Philippines lost a C172 in a crash. There are 4 aircraft remaining at Alpha to be shared between 30 plus CPL/IR students needing 200 plus hours flight time.
I raised some simple questions that you have remained silent on ever since. They are;
1. Assuming 1 aircraft is out of action at any one time due maintenance, that leaves 3 aircraft.
2. The rainy season, typhoons etc will further reduce this availability.
2. Has AAG factually advised current cadets how many years it will take to complete a 200 hour program with such a nonsensical allocation of resources? Is AAG providing this info to new cadets?
Your assertion that everything is on track at AAG is a joke. Tell me these facts are not correct, or will you continue to remain silent.
OK, well 2 months ago we all learnt that Alpha Aviation Academy Philippines lost a C172 in a crash. There are 4 aircraft remaining at Alpha to be shared between 30 plus CPL/IR students needing 200 plus hours flight time.
I raised some simple questions that you have remained silent on ever since. They are;
1. Assuming 1 aircraft is out of action at any one time due maintenance, that leaves 3 aircraft.
2. The rainy season, typhoons etc will further reduce this availability.
2. Has AAG factually advised current cadets how many years it will take to complete a 200 hour program with such a nonsensical allocation of resources? Is AAG providing this info to new cadets?
Your assertion that everything is on track at AAG is a joke. Tell me these facts are not correct, or will you continue to remain silent.
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Whoa
Whoa been missing action I see! Been very busy with IOE! I dont know about what I read about the FOT not being a success but we're all absorbed by the airlines, majority in less than a month! Low timers for the Limited First Officer position. The new AAG management worked their asses off to get the remaining guys jobs. Dont you wonder why there's only a handful of unemployed graduates while AAG was successful in referring other foreigners? I agree with what I read, it's probably their own doing already. Know there were lots of issues with this school before but the current numbers dont lie. AAG delivered to airphil's requirement, and is also referring successfully to zest air and cebu pacific! Even cebu pac wants what AAG has provided for airphil and approached AAG themselves to do the same for them.
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To be honest, you got some wrong.
1. Not only bahrainis are in Air Arabia, the Indians are there as well.
2. The restrictive nature of MPL requires an airline to commit to a student even when they havent started it yet. Plus, the airlines are required to have the 12 TAGS as the transition of their training. Obviously, airlines doesnt want to commit their Airplanes for this one. When we were doing our TAGs in cyprus, it was just a way for us to get our license, but CAAP told that no more MPL applicants shall be accepted unless there will be an airline who will commit/sponsor them (including the TAGs).
3. With the shortage of pilots, the on going trend now is getting low timer 150hour CPL IR, have them type rated in A320 then proceed with IOE. It was a cheaper alternative. No 6months groundschool, 120 hours Level D simulator, 12 TAGs required. It just required 1 month groundschool, and 2 months simulator training. Thus, the MPL program proved to be a more expensive option. So the airlines resorted to getting those low timer CPL IR with A320 Type rating. But, the MPL program is still there, i think. Its just airlines would rather get the CPL IR A320 pilots.
4. Air Arabia had its own MPL program. Then, because of the troubles in egypt where they were supposed to open a base and which didnt push through, they suddenly had an excess of pilots. I think there was a proposal wherein Airphil will hire pilots from air arabia. Well, in this case, im not 100% sure.
5. I myself, had 3 years in Clark. It sucks that it happened where I could have finished it in 1 year and should have earned 2years more of income. But you are forgetting something.. before MPL, it takes 1500hours of flying time, plus a certain amount of multi engine time to grab a chance to be accepted in an airline. How long does it take? 1.5-10years or so. Depends on how lucky you are. So if you ask me 3years in Clark with 0 time compared to doing that 1500 hours? I'm definitely glad i took this route. Plus, I was trained for 120hours in A320 sim by experienced airline instructors. That gave me an edge. So in real terms, the MPL route at that time was more meaningful than taking 1500hours CPL IR. Ofcourse the 150 CPL IR Type rating is now the best option. Thats why you see very young first officers now.
6. I asked one of the MPL who just got an airline on how many MPL are still there in clark. He said 4. Who will be having their TAGs in jakarta. Thats what he said. I dont know. But, if thats the case, then the last MPL students you are talking about will be in the airline soon.
7. The foreign pilots? Who are they? Actually, I dont know. I just know about the portugese and singaporean. Maybe 3 more? But, with cebu pac able to hire expats, it just means that CAAP has relaxed its position on hiring Filipino pilots only in the Philippines. Maybe they can try this approach.
Im not biased for clark. They have done wrong things against me. But, my point is, instead of crying, me and my group tried to find a way to work it out.
So, Im replying just to correct the wrong information that is said here. Other than that, if I know its wrong. I wont bother trying to hide it.
3 years is definitely worth it trying to get your dream job. You can ask those from general aviation who've waited years and years for an opportunity in an airline. 3 years is a short time.
To be honest, you got some wrong.
1. Not only bahrainis are in Air Arabia, the Indians are there as well.
2. The restrictive nature of MPL requires an airline to commit to a student even when they havent started it yet. Plus, the airlines are required to have the 12 TAGS as the transition of their training. Obviously, airlines doesnt want to commit their Airplanes for this one. When we were doing our TAGs in cyprus, it was just a way for us to get our license, but CAAP told that no more MPL applicants shall be accepted unless there will be an airline who will commit/sponsor them (including the TAGs).
3. With the shortage of pilots, the on going trend now is getting low timer 150hour CPL IR, have them type rated in A320 then proceed with IOE. It was a cheaper alternative. No 6months groundschool, 120 hours Level D simulator, 12 TAGs required. It just required 1 month groundschool, and 2 months simulator training. Thus, the MPL program proved to be a more expensive option. So the airlines resorted to getting those low timer CPL IR with A320 Type rating. But, the MPL program is still there, i think. Its just airlines would rather get the CPL IR A320 pilots.
4. Air Arabia had its own MPL program. Then, because of the troubles in egypt where they were supposed to open a base and which didnt push through, they suddenly had an excess of pilots. I think there was a proposal wherein Airphil will hire pilots from air arabia. Well, in this case, im not 100% sure.
5. I myself, had 3 years in Clark. It sucks that it happened where I could have finished it in 1 year and should have earned 2years more of income. But you are forgetting something.. before MPL, it takes 1500hours of flying time, plus a certain amount of multi engine time to grab a chance to be accepted in an airline. How long does it take? 1.5-10years or so. Depends on how lucky you are. So if you ask me 3years in Clark with 0 time compared to doing that 1500 hours? I'm definitely glad i took this route. Plus, I was trained for 120hours in A320 sim by experienced airline instructors. That gave me an edge. So in real terms, the MPL route at that time was more meaningful than taking 1500hours CPL IR. Ofcourse the 150 CPL IR Type rating is now the best option. Thats why you see very young first officers now.
6. I asked one of the MPL who just got an airline on how many MPL are still there in clark. He said 4. Who will be having their TAGs in jakarta. Thats what he said. I dont know. But, if thats the case, then the last MPL students you are talking about will be in the airline soon.
7. The foreign pilots? Who are they? Actually, I dont know. I just know about the portugese and singaporean. Maybe 3 more? But, with cebu pac able to hire expats, it just means that CAAP has relaxed its position on hiring Filipino pilots only in the Philippines. Maybe they can try this approach.
Im not biased for clark. They have done wrong things against me. But, my point is, instead of crying, me and my group tried to find a way to work it out.
So, Im replying just to correct the wrong information that is said here. Other than that, if I know its wrong. I wont bother trying to hide it.
3 years is definitely worth it trying to get your dream job. You can ask those from general aviation who've waited years and years for an opportunity in an airline. 3 years is a short time.
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let me see...
no firm customers, no partner airline, rotating GM's (at least 5 in the last 4 yrs and counting...), a fleet of C172s that are increasingly breaking down, BUT touting a new multi million dollar full flight sim supposed to come in 6 months' time? Can anyone guess what is wrong with this?
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Chairwrecker -Can anyone guess what is wrong with this
Um, lets try everything!
No partner airline and you lay a USD$8 million Maybank loan on Alpha Aviation Group - Philippines (Clark Aviation)???
Smell a rat a mile away - you would be right. The same rat from Prescient Syatems that sold the first CAE simulator to Cebu Pac, with a USD$360,000 bribe - kickback for the then advisor to the CEO (who was sacked some weeks later).
This sleaze bag is the regional Director of AAG (Clark Aviation) and makes a sweet commission on the sale of sims - regardless of having no business case. Simualtors have about 6000 hours available each year to sell - you dont buy one unless you have a solid anchor partner who has committed to at least 3000 hours.
AAG have zero committed hours from anyone but sleazebag has his commission.
Chairwrecker, youve got it right. The stench of corruption is alive and kisking at AAG Philippines. Ask their management who has committed to but 3000 hours, silence will be the stern reply
No partner airline and you lay a USD$8 million Maybank loan on Alpha Aviation Group - Philippines (Clark Aviation)???
Smell a rat a mile away - you would be right. The same rat from Prescient Syatems that sold the first CAE simulator to Cebu Pac, with a USD$360,000 bribe - kickback for the then advisor to the CEO (who was sacked some weeks later).
This sleaze bag is the regional Director of AAG (Clark Aviation) and makes a sweet commission on the sale of sims - regardless of having no business case. Simualtors have about 6000 hours available each year to sell - you dont buy one unless you have a solid anchor partner who has committed to at least 3000 hours.
AAG have zero committed hours from anyone but sleazebag has his commission.
Chairwrecker, youve got it right. The stench of corruption is alive and kisking at AAG Philippines. Ask their management who has committed to but 3000 hours, silence will be the stern reply