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Whoa..
Oh well.. I think it would still take a long time before airlines open their eyes to the potential of the MPL programme.
I'm surprised with what's happening with this thread. In the previous months, lots of critics keep on telling things about the MPL programme. Now, it seems we're on a peaceful mode right now. We're beginning to become positive of what the MPL has done through time.
I remember when a former MPL cadet, now FO flying with 5J, told me when I mentioned about this thread. He said.. "Let the skills do the talking.." and I strongly agree with that.
@chairwrecker: soon the Philippines will be center for MPL training and that's a big factor in proving that our industry is doing well. What I think is pulling the industry down is the appointment of government officers who are not qualified for the job and of course, mismanagement of funds (corruption?). Check out the CAAP website in the downloads section, there's a PDF file for NOTICE OF VACANCY. I hope those who apply at CAAP are qualified for the job and in good spirit in serving this industry.
God bless the Philippines!
I'm surprised with what's happening with this thread. In the previous months, lots of critics keep on telling things about the MPL programme. Now, it seems we're on a peaceful mode right now. We're beginning to become positive of what the MPL has done through time.
I remember when a former MPL cadet, now FO flying with 5J, told me when I mentioned about this thread. He said.. "Let the skills do the talking.." and I strongly agree with that.
@chairwrecker: soon the Philippines will be center for MPL training and that's a big factor in proving that our industry is doing well. What I think is pulling the industry down is the appointment of government officers who are not qualified for the job and of course, mismanagement of funds (corruption?). Check out the CAAP website in the downloads section, there's a PDF file for NOTICE OF VACANCY. I hope those who apply at CAAP are qualified for the job and in good spirit in serving this industry.
God bless the Philippines!
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Cost of MPL programme at Clark Aviation Mid 2007 = X
Cost of implementing the MPL programme = X + Y USD
Getting a right seat job on an A320 with a GREAT Airline = PRICELESS
BIG thanks to all involved for their efforts!
All the best to my fellow cadets in their training and job hunt. Its just a matter of time, patience and ...hard work. Never stop learning.
Safe flt to my fellow cadets already flying.
Ingat Ladies and Gentlemen...
Cost of implementing the MPL programme = X + Y USD
Getting a right seat job on an A320 with a GREAT Airline = PRICELESS
BIG thanks to all involved for their efforts!
All the best to my fellow cadets in their training and job hunt. Its just a matter of time, patience and ...hard work. Never stop learning.
Safe flt to my fellow cadets already flying.
Ingat Ladies and Gentlemen...
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Almost two weeks since my last post and not a single comment giving us news of any successful progress in the MPL careers (other than the lucky 5Js).
Are there any? How many self-sponsored MPL pilots have completed their IOE and found jobs?
Come on guys!!! Give us the good news.
Are there any? How many self-sponsored MPL pilots have completed their IOE and found jobs?
Come on guys!!! Give us the good news.
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i got third-hand info from a fellow 5J-half sponsored cadet yesterday. the latest is that AirPhil Express is expressing their interest in the remaining self-sponsored MPL's who were already rated by the CAAP after their A320 tags in Cyprus.
let me reiterate that this is third-hand info. i'm in no position to confirm or deny this, but if it's true... it's another point on the scoreboard for Clark Aviation.
let me reiterate that this is third-hand info. i'm in no position to confirm or deny this, but if it's true... it's another point on the scoreboard for Clark Aviation.
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Gentlemen (and ladies if any),
I am happy for everyone who are benefiting from the MPL program...the program was definitely a boost to get your career started. Keep on encouraging each other to strive hard in your chosen profession. Kudos to all of you for choosing a respectable and rewarding profession.
@Aerocadet, whoever the FO was that said "Let the skills do all the talking", please tell him that he has been smoking pot way too long, and the fact that you agree with him, I would suggest that you lay off the weed as well. That FO sure comes off as "mayabang" because we have NOT SEEN the skills yet. As a matter of fact even those that have been released to the line are still nowhere close to being an "airline pilot". There's one MPL FO that tried to throw his weight around at 5J. But that's ok...because the Captains have and are still putting him in his place. Honestly it sucks to be him. You see, flying is 90% attitude, 10% skill...if you have the proper attitude, the skills will follow...but if your attitude sucks, then your skill isn't going anywhere period.
I am happy for everyone who are benefiting from the MPL program...the program was definitely a boost to get your career started. Keep on encouraging each other to strive hard in your chosen profession. Kudos to all of you for choosing a respectable and rewarding profession.
@Aerocadet, whoever the FO was that said "Let the skills do all the talking", please tell him that he has been smoking pot way too long, and the fact that you agree with him, I would suggest that you lay off the weed as well. That FO sure comes off as "mayabang" because we have NOT SEEN the skills yet. As a matter of fact even those that have been released to the line are still nowhere close to being an "airline pilot". There's one MPL FO that tried to throw his weight around at 5J. But that's ok...because the Captains have and are still putting him in his place. Honestly it sucks to be him. You see, flying is 90% attitude, 10% skill...if you have the proper attitude, the skills will follow...but if your attitude sucks, then your skill isn't going anywhere period.
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MPL accepted by the PAL Group
Pete Q is still at Clark and continues to educate young pilots about all there is to know about ground school subjects. He is their longest serving member of staff.
It appears that CA is well and truly back with 15 of their cadets going to the PAL Group with options on additional pilots once the first group are absorbed into the system. So far Clark have placed cadets with Air Arabia, Zestair, Cebu Pacific and now the PAL Group. This is, of course, great news for students and for the staff at Clark. Most likely all non-sponsored A320 cadets will be in full time airline employment by the end of the year.
It has taken some time for the MPL concept to be accepted however this latest placement advances MPL in the Asia region and it looks like it is here to stay
It appears that CA is well and truly back with 15 of their cadets going to the PAL Group with options on additional pilots once the first group are absorbed into the system. So far Clark have placed cadets with Air Arabia, Zestair, Cebu Pacific and now the PAL Group. This is, of course, great news for students and for the staff at Clark. Most likely all non-sponsored A320 cadets will be in full time airline employment by the end of the year.
It has taken some time for the MPL concept to be accepted however this latest placement advances MPL in the Asia region and it looks like it is here to stay
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Welll…. There’s life in this thread after all.
@paolylo. Even third-hand info is something to give those poor guys some hope of finishing the longest pilot course on record.
I only don’t think it is “another point on the scoreboard for Clark Aviation”. It is only a coincidence that PAL’s pilots are leaving in droves and the opening could be there. If it is, then the guys should take the oportunity.
@Mikkideez. I second your words that the MPL program is the way for pilot training in the future. Pity that CIA has made such a mess with the self-sponsored cadets that paid a fortune for a dream that is taking far too long to materialise.
Your comments regarding the “astronaut” at 5J is something that all MPL (and others) grads should think about. Without the right ATTITUDE there is no place for such people on the RH seat of a commercial airliner.
@Bennyboy1. Great news!!! But are you sure that CIA MPL pilots have been placed in all those airlines? Other than 5J I have not heard, or read, anywhere that has happened. It sure should have made the news… The PPRuNe threads on Air Arabia don’t mention any MPLs intake and AA also needs pilots.
Could you give more details?
To all. As I said from the beginning, the MPL program is the way of the future and CIA was the pioneer but screwed it up by the way it went about it. Others are taking advantage and profiting greatly by doing things right. CIA can also do it but needs, first, to clean the bad name it made by taking non fully sponsored candidates and promising them a career.
Fix the problem (find them jobs) and the industry will look at CIA as a honest enterprise. That is the way to create confidence in the MPL (it should be a generic type rated license, anyway) as discussed here before.
@paolylo. Even third-hand info is something to give those poor guys some hope of finishing the longest pilot course on record.
I only don’t think it is “another point on the scoreboard for Clark Aviation”. It is only a coincidence that PAL’s pilots are leaving in droves and the opening could be there. If it is, then the guys should take the oportunity.
@Mikkideez. I second your words that the MPL program is the way for pilot training in the future. Pity that CIA has made such a mess with the self-sponsored cadets that paid a fortune for a dream that is taking far too long to materialise.
Your comments regarding the “astronaut” at 5J is something that all MPL (and others) grads should think about. Without the right ATTITUDE there is no place for such people on the RH seat of a commercial airliner.
@Bennyboy1. Great news!!! But are you sure that CIA MPL pilots have been placed in all those airlines? Other than 5J I have not heard, or read, anywhere that has happened. It sure should have made the news… The PPRuNe threads on Air Arabia don’t mention any MPLs intake and AA also needs pilots.
Could you give more details?
To all. As I said from the beginning, the MPL program is the way of the future and CIA was the pioneer but screwed it up by the way it went about it. Others are taking advantage and profiting greatly by doing things right. CIA can also do it but needs, first, to clean the bad name it made by taking non fully sponsored candidates and promising them a career.
Fix the problem (find them jobs) and the industry will look at CIA as a honest enterprise. That is the way to create confidence in the MPL (it should be a generic type rated license, anyway) as discussed here before.
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Dear Traveller93,
Stop it already ! You have made your point.
FYI and all the gentlemen frequenting PPRUNE..
In addition to those already with Cebu Pacific...
Stop it already ! You have made your point.
FYI and all the gentlemen frequenting PPRUNE..
In addition to those already with Cebu Pacific...
- 15 more CA graduates awaiting base training with Cebu Pacific
- 7 are with Air Arabia
- 3 are with ZestAir (asking for 5 more)
- 4 just completed their "acceptance check" with PAL for AirPhil
- more interviews and acceptance checks to follow.
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@Thunderbolt49
Good to hear that these MPLs are getting placed. As I have said before, the MPL program is a great avenue to jumpstart one's aviation career. The aviation industry is growing at a fast pace, and there may come a time where it would be difficult to fill job vacancies that may happen thru growth, or vacancies being created by pilots leaving for possible greener pastures.
@All MPL Cadets
As much as I support the program, one thing you guys have to realize is that you are entering the airlines with less than 200 hours. One thing that is working against you guys is the lack of experience...something you cannot learn. The average total time of newly hired airline pilot is somewhere in the 2,500 hrs figure...and although most airlines will require a minimum of 1,500 hrs, this figure is just a minimum. Most hired pilots will have experiences well over these numbers. So are you lucky? With less than 200 hrs? You damn betcha you're lucky.
Don't be surprised if you will receive death stares at times in the airlines you enter because they are all thinking the same thing. "What the hell is he/she doing here with such limited experience?" All you could do is prove to everyone that you can do the job. But you guys got a long way...it's all about ATTITUDE, ATTITUDE, and ATTITUDE. Do you want to be good airline pilots? You have got to, for the mean time, eat and sleep "flying". Everything you do is geared towards flying. Flying is not for everyone, otherwise everyone would be one. For the MPL cadets, prepare for a real gut check...because the road after graduation just becomes harder.
Good to hear that these MPLs are getting placed. As I have said before, the MPL program is a great avenue to jumpstart one's aviation career. The aviation industry is growing at a fast pace, and there may come a time where it would be difficult to fill job vacancies that may happen thru growth, or vacancies being created by pilots leaving for possible greener pastures.
@All MPL Cadets
As much as I support the program, one thing you guys have to realize is that you are entering the airlines with less than 200 hours. One thing that is working against you guys is the lack of experience...something you cannot learn. The average total time of newly hired airline pilot is somewhere in the 2,500 hrs figure...and although most airlines will require a minimum of 1,500 hrs, this figure is just a minimum. Most hired pilots will have experiences well over these numbers. So are you lucky? With less than 200 hrs? You damn betcha you're lucky.
Don't be surprised if you will receive death stares at times in the airlines you enter because they are all thinking the same thing. "What the hell is he/she doing here with such limited experience?" All you could do is prove to everyone that you can do the job. But you guys got a long way...it's all about ATTITUDE, ATTITUDE, and ATTITUDE. Do you want to be good airline pilots? You have got to, for the mean time, eat and sleep "flying". Everything you do is geared towards flying. Flying is not for everyone, otherwise everyone would be one. For the MPL cadets, prepare for a real gut check...because the road after graduation just becomes harder.
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Reminder to MPL Graduates
I agree 100%.....
"Don't be surprised if you will receive death stares at times in the airlines you enter because they are all thinking the same thing. "What the hell is he/she doing here with such limited experience?" All you could do is prove to everyone that you can do the job. But you guys got a long way...it's all about ATTITUDE, ATTITUDE, and ATTITUDE. Do you want to be good airline pilots? You have got to, for the mean time, eat and sleep "flying". Everything you do is geared towards flying. Flying is not for everyone, otherwise everyone would be one. For the MPL cadets, prepare for a real gut check...because the road after graduation just becomes harder"
"Don't be surprised if you will receive death stares at times in the airlines you enter because they are all thinking the same thing. "What the hell is he/she doing here with such limited experience?" All you could do is prove to everyone that you can do the job. But you guys got a long way...it's all about ATTITUDE, ATTITUDE, and ATTITUDE. Do you want to be good airline pilots? You have got to, for the mean time, eat and sleep "flying". Everything you do is geared towards flying. Flying is not for everyone, otherwise everyone would be one. For the MPL cadets, prepare for a real gut check...because the road after graduation just becomes harder"
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For someone that claims to be new here (I doubt it, but...) you are raising your "voice" (typing in bolds) far too much for the level intended here. Got it?
My interest in the MPL (worldwide) is because it represents a leap forward from the pilot training that has been in place for many decades. And that is good!!!
Being a new process, it needed, from the beginning, credible institutions to build the foundations from where to raise the necessary trust from the individual aeronautical authorities for acceptance. Unfortunately it did not happen there and everybody knows why.
Having said that, CIA has been doing a lot of work to repair the damage but the pace seems to be a bit slow for the immediate needs, until now.
That is why it is good news to read about all the new developments in respect of employment prospects for the MPLrs already qualified but without the necessary final experience to start drawing a salary. And this affects ALL the non-5J fully sponsored pilots. Best of luck to them!!! They deserve it!!!
If you had given yourself the trouble to read the threads on this subject, you would have seen that there were some fruitful discussions about the merits of making the MPL a generic license instead of an operator customised one. This, in my opinion and I repeat it, should be the way forward and CIA, with its experience, could help make a case to have the ICAO rules changed. Are they doing it? If yes, very good. If not, they should.
Can you see the advantages for everybody?
Finally, don't get too nervous about me making my points.... aviation is a serious business and it does not run only around ATTITUDE. This will only make sense if coupled with the most important word in aviation: SAFETY.
A proper ATTITUDE towards SAFETY will root out those who, as our colleague Mikideez (a wise man) said, think they know it all and I call "astronauts". Crazydud2000 forgets that one needs to be alive to make MONEY. Enough said.
So, whoever you are, take it easy, relax, keep on working on your attitude towards safety and remember that most of the aviators follow this matter with interest, as they might end up with one MPLr on the RH seat and they will want to feel SAFE as well as their passengers.
Have a good day.
For someone that claims to be new here (I doubt it, but...) you are raising your "voice" (typing in bolds) far too much for the level intended here. Got it?
My interest in the MPL (worldwide) is because it represents a leap forward from the pilot training that has been in place for many decades. And that is good!!!
Being a new process, it needed, from the beginning, credible institutions to build the foundations from where to raise the necessary trust from the individual aeronautical authorities for acceptance. Unfortunately it did not happen there and everybody knows why.
Having said that, CIA has been doing a lot of work to repair the damage but the pace seems to be a bit slow for the immediate needs, until now.
That is why it is good news to read about all the new developments in respect of employment prospects for the MPLrs already qualified but without the necessary final experience to start drawing a salary. And this affects ALL the non-5J fully sponsored pilots. Best of luck to them!!! They deserve it!!!
If you had given yourself the trouble to read the threads on this subject, you would have seen that there were some fruitful discussions about the merits of making the MPL a generic license instead of an operator customised one. This, in my opinion and I repeat it, should be the way forward and CIA, with its experience, could help make a case to have the ICAO rules changed. Are they doing it? If yes, very good. If not, they should.
Can you see the advantages for everybody?
Finally, don't get too nervous about me making my points.... aviation is a serious business and it does not run only around ATTITUDE. This will only make sense if coupled with the most important word in aviation: SAFETY.
A proper ATTITUDE towards SAFETY will root out those who, as our colleague Mikideez (a wise man) said, think they know it all and I call "astronauts". Crazydud2000 forgets that one needs to be alive to make MONEY. Enough said.
So, whoever you are, take it easy, relax, keep on working on your attitude towards safety and remember that most of the aviators follow this matter with interest, as they might end up with one MPLr on the RH seat and they will want to feel SAFE as well as their passengers.
Have a good day.
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MPL or CPL
Hi guys, I am an aspiring pilot and planning to start training in Jan2011. Which do you think is better at having a job after completion;
a. MPL at CIA?
b. Waiting for PalAV school?
c. Doing flight training in FL,USA(completing PPL/CPL/ME/IR)?
Thanks.
a. MPL at CIA?
b. Waiting for PalAV school?
c. Doing flight training in FL,USA(completing PPL/CPL/ME/IR)?
Thanks.
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busdriver2010,
u need to read a lot more on the MPL. if it remains operator-focused you really have no choice but go CPL.
traveller93,
while understandable, i am still mighty astounded with your sudden "happiness" for CA. quite a turn around, indeed, though i'm sure you're not thinking all of these developments happened due to your pontificating in this thread? by the way, it's not yet over until the guys do IOE. i really hope the guys got their money's worth. my fear is that the long waiting time may have eroded some flying skills.... heard some of the 5J guys are having a really hard time.
u need to read a lot more on the MPL. if it remains operator-focused you really have no choice but go CPL.
traveller93,
while understandable, i am still mighty astounded with your sudden "happiness" for CA. quite a turn around, indeed, though i'm sure you're not thinking all of these developments happened due to your pontificating in this thread?
by the way, it's not yet over until the guys do IOE. i really hope the guys got their money's worth. my fear is that the long waiting time may have eroded some flying skills.... heard some of the 5J guys are having a really hard time.
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CPL in Phil or FL, USA?
Which is better in terms of quality of training/job opportunities after earning the licenses (PPL/CPL/ME/IR)?
a. Waiting for PalAV (I am still waiting for their initial interview, hopefully if I get in might start mid next year, 2-3 years training period)
b. Going to FL,USA ( might go to ATP, or Flightsafety in Jan2011, 1 year training period to complete all the licenses)
Thanks.
a. Waiting for PalAV (I am still waiting for their initial interview, hopefully if I get in might start mid next year, 2-3 years training period)
b. Going to FL,USA ( might go to ATP, or Flightsafety in Jan2011, 1 year training period to complete all the licenses)
Thanks.
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You maybe right...but if YOU are doing this just for the MULAH...well sorry to tell you my friend, you are not a pilot. The money should only be incidental.
You maybe right...but if YOU are doing this just for the MULAH...well sorry to tell you my friend, you are not a pilot. The money should only be incidental.
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Darn that's right...totally forgot that...ATTITUDE towards SAFETY...actually this is more important than ATTITUDE socially. Thanks for adding that traveller.
Darn that's right...totally forgot that...ATTITUDE towards SAFETY...actually this is more important than ATTITUDE socially. Thanks for adding that traveller.