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Interesting interview....
Before commenting on the latest inputs on this thread, I would like to bring up this interesting interview that might bring some light to the conversation:
On course | Transportation | Supply Chain Interviews | ArabianSupplyChain.com
Isn't it strange that the interviewee does not mention Clark Aviation as a provider of the MPL?
And they belong to the same group.
I wonder why.... Any ideas, anyone?
On course | Transportation | Supply Chain Interviews | ArabianSupplyChain.com
Isn't it strange that the interviewee does not mention Clark Aviation as a provider of the MPL?
"Where else in the world is this course available?
The only other place I know of is Alteon, Boeing's commercial aviation training unit in Brisbane, Australia. They gradusted 12 MPL cadets last November, who now fly for Air China."
The only other place I know of is Alteon, Boeing's commercial aviation training unit in Brisbane, Australia. They gradusted 12 MPL cadets last November, who now fly for Air China."
I wonder why.... Any ideas, anyone?
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ST (Singapore Technologies Engineering), through its Prescient branch, is one of the Alpha Aviation Group partners, as seen in the graphic below.
http://www.alphagroup.aero/uploads/F...eb%2007%29.pdf
It appears that CIA lost the confidence of ST (Singapore Government owned) to the point where it chose to have another of its branches to directly compete with CIA.
Given that, and assuming that ST will assume its quota part of the responsibility, what will be the solution to the insulting situation being suffered by the self-sponsored cadets? Will they get the just reward to their investment (fully paid for) towards their future as airline pilots?
http://www.alphagroup.aero/uploads/F...eb%2007%29.pdf
It appears that CIA lost the confidence of ST (Singapore Government owned) to the point where it chose to have another of its branches to directly compete with CIA.
Given that, and assuming that ST will assume its quota part of the responsibility, what will be the solution to the insulting situation being suffered by the self-sponsored cadets? Will they get the just reward to their investment (fully paid for) towards their future as airline pilots?
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My gut feeling is that the self-sponsored students will be taken care of somehow. ICAO knows what's going on.
Just because you have a fATPL or an MPL, it does not mean you are entitled to a job. I honestly do not understand you Lolo? Do you think ICAO will approach airlines and say, there are 40 selfsponsored MPL cadets in the Philippines, please give them a job.
They won't be taken care of. Just like the other thousands of fATPLs out there!
Please be more clear in your discussions.
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betpump5....
You seem to be misinformed. The self-sponsored cadets have not yet completed the MPL training. They are still missing the 12 rotations and that is the problem CIA is now (still) desperately trying to resolve. Therefore the SOS for a brain storming session, in the PPRun.....
You have mentioned that CIA is now instructing CPL/IR. Are you sure??
If CIA has been approved to do CPL/IR instruction, why don't they just bridge the self-sponsored cadets from the MPL to the CPL/IR/TR?
What a bunch of incompetents!!!! Not to mention crooks that deserve to be jailed for running such a scheme.
You seem to be misinformed. The self-sponsored cadets have not yet completed the MPL training. They are still missing the 12 rotations and that is the problem CIA is now (still) desperately trying to resolve. Therefore the SOS for a brain storming session, in the PPRun.....
You have mentioned that CIA is now instructing CPL/IR. Are you sure??
If CIA has been approved to do CPL/IR instruction, why don't they just bridge the self-sponsored cadets from the MPL to the CPL/IR/TR?
What a bunch of incompetents!!!! Not to mention crooks that deserve to be jailed for running such a scheme.
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It would appear so for which I apologise.
My posts were related to those that had finished their self-sponsored MPL. I was under the impression that there were at least a few self-sponsored MPLs that had finished.
Can someone please bring some clarity to this thread please. Lets take the first batch that started CIA in January 2007. I.e 2 years and 9 months ago!
Were they all 50% sponsored by Cebu Pacific?
Were there any in the Jan/Feb/march batch that were self-sponsored?
If there were any self-sponsored cadets in the early batches, are you telling me they are still not finished? What are they doing? just sitting around?
I am completely lost. Self Sponsored cadets have paid their fee up to and including the 12 rotations in an A320. So why is CIA stopping this final part?
Lolo/Traveller, brainstorming by us three will not solve this problem because this seems to be purely a CIA decision. They obviously have reasons why they they are refusing to complete the MPL cadets 12 rotations.
Traveller, are you sure about this. Previous posts by Lolo suggested that the self-sponsored MPL cadets have valid licenses and are "ICAO Approved". this is why I assumed some self-sponsored cadets have finished.
Anyway, in response to your question, yes there is nothing wrong with CIA bridging the gap between MPL (incomplete) and CPL/ ME IR. But because things are so complicated, there may be law suits because CIA may request more funds from self-sponsored MPL cadets who now wish to embark on the CPL IR, but those cadets will say that CIA should pay because of all the trouble they caused.
This is very very messy. Can someone please shed light. Lolo- who are you? A cadet (if so self sponsored?) or are you just an interested observer with some connections to CIA.
I am very confused.
What is there to resolve. If self sponsored cadets have paid for their full MPL training TR, then apart from there being a lack of aircraft, why aren't CIA providing the final part?
My posts were related to those that had finished their self-sponsored MPL. I was under the impression that there were at least a few self-sponsored MPLs that had finished.
Can someone please bring some clarity to this thread please. Lets take the first batch that started CIA in January 2007. I.e 2 years and 9 months ago!
Were they all 50% sponsored by Cebu Pacific?
Were there any in the Jan/Feb/march batch that were self-sponsored?
If there were any self-sponsored cadets in the early batches, are you telling me they are still not finished? What are they doing? just sitting around?
I am completely lost. Self Sponsored cadets have paid their fee up to and including the 12 rotations in an A320. So why is CIA stopping this final part?
Lolo/Traveller, brainstorming by us three will not solve this problem because this seems to be purely a CIA decision. They obviously have reasons why they they are refusing to complete the MPL cadets 12 rotations.
Traveller, are you sure about this. Previous posts by Lolo suggested that the self-sponsored MPL cadets have valid licenses and are "ICAO Approved". this is why I assumed some self-sponsored cadets have finished.
Anyway, in response to your question, yes there is nothing wrong with CIA bridging the gap between MPL (incomplete) and CPL/ ME IR. But because things are so complicated, there may be law suits because CIA may request more funds from self-sponsored MPL cadets who now wish to embark on the CPL IR, but those cadets will say that CIA should pay because of all the trouble they caused.
This is very very messy. Can someone please shed light. Lolo- who are you? A cadet (if so self sponsored?) or are you just an interested observer with some connections to CIA.
I am very confused.
They are still missing the 12 rotations and that is the problem CIA is now (still) desperately trying to resolve.
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Good day to all!
Newbie here. Although i just joined, i have been reading in this forum for quite some time now. I have been wanting to be a pilot but have failed to even start (tried to enter PLC this year but failed to make the final cut). I'll try again next year. But while waiting for it i researched on other possibilities of entering this career. One school i came across was CIA. I have mixed info about the school and the license being offered.
I was wondering if anybody could give me some advice about entering CIA. Should i wait an try my luck for PLC? Oh yeah, i talked to a PAL F.O. a while back and he asked about the MPL scheme to his colleagues. He told me the feedback wasn't good (btw, he came from PAF). Anyway, CIA sent me an email about their current situation. Hope this helps the discussion...
"Good day. I hope that this mail finds you well.
I am delighted to inform you that Clark Aviation is now offering two pilot training programs, (1) Multi-crew Pilot License (MPL), and (2) Commercial Pilot License with Instrument Rating (CPL/IR). The cost of completing the CPL/IR, with an opportunity of shifting to MPL is approximately USD40, 000. If you intend to do strictly CPL/IR only, cost is USD 34,500, subject to change depending on the prevailing fuel price. Please take note that our CPL/IR incorporates an extensive 6 months ground school that is Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL) ground school standard. We are uniquely positioned as the only institution that offers this kind of ground school program in the Philippines .
On the other hand, the MPL program is designed so that graduates are qualified to fly as First Officer in a specific type of commercial aircraft. At Clark Aviation, we focus on the A320 type of aircraft. In other words, our MPL graduates are qualified to fly as FO for A320 commercial aircrafts. This program will cost USD90, 000 and we require that cadets should have an alignment with an airline before we accept them. Alignment essentially means that an airline will provide base training of 12 landings and take-offs and eventual employment. Should there be no alignment possible, we can train cadets under the CPL/IR program with an option to proceed to A320 type rating.
Attached is a paper on who we are and what we do.
I would be delighted to discuss any questions you might have.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards"
Newbie here. Although i just joined, i have been reading in this forum for quite some time now. I have been wanting to be a pilot but have failed to even start (tried to enter PLC this year but failed to make the final cut). I'll try again next year. But while waiting for it i researched on other possibilities of entering this career. One school i came across was CIA. I have mixed info about the school and the license being offered.
I was wondering if anybody could give me some advice about entering CIA. Should i wait an try my luck for PLC? Oh yeah, i talked to a PAL F.O. a while back and he asked about the MPL scheme to his colleagues. He told me the feedback wasn't good (btw, he came from PAF). Anyway, CIA sent me an email about their current situation. Hope this helps the discussion...
"Good day. I hope that this mail finds you well.
I am delighted to inform you that Clark Aviation is now offering two pilot training programs, (1) Multi-crew Pilot License (MPL), and (2) Commercial Pilot License with Instrument Rating (CPL/IR). The cost of completing the CPL/IR, with an opportunity of shifting to MPL is approximately USD40, 000. If you intend to do strictly CPL/IR only, cost is USD 34,500, subject to change depending on the prevailing fuel price. Please take note that our CPL/IR incorporates an extensive 6 months ground school that is Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL) ground school standard. We are uniquely positioned as the only institution that offers this kind of ground school program in the Philippines .
On the other hand, the MPL program is designed so that graduates are qualified to fly as First Officer in a specific type of commercial aircraft. At Clark Aviation, we focus on the A320 type of aircraft. In other words, our MPL graduates are qualified to fly as FO for A320 commercial aircrafts. This program will cost USD90, 000 and we require that cadets should have an alignment with an airline before we accept them. Alignment essentially means that an airline will provide base training of 12 landings and take-offs and eventual employment. Should there be no alignment possible, we can train cadets under the CPL/IR program with an option to proceed to A320 type rating.
Attached is a paper on who we are and what we do.
I would be delighted to discuss any questions you might have.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards"
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My posts were related to those that had finished their self-sponsored MPL. I was under the impression that there were at least a few self-sponsored MPLs that had finished.
Can someone please bring some clarity to this thread please. Lets take the first batch that started CIA in January 2007. I.e 2 years and 9 months ago!
Were they all 50% sponsored by Cebu Pacific?
Were there any in the Jan/Feb/march batch that were self-sponsored?
If there were any self-sponsored cadets in the early batches, are you telling me they are still not finished? What are they doing? just sitting around?
Were they all 50% sponsored by Cebu Pacific?
Were there any in the Jan/Feb/march batch that were self-sponsored?
If there were any self-sponsored cadets in the early batches, are you telling me they are still not finished? What are they doing? just sitting around?
I am completely lost. Self Sponsored cadets have paid their fee up to and including the 12 rotations in an A320. So why is CIA stopping this final part?
Lolo/Traveller, brainstorming by us three will not solve this problem because this seems to be purely a CIA decision. They obviously have reasons why they they are refusing to complete the MPL cadets 12 rotations.
Traveller, are you sure about this. Previous posts by Lolo suggested that the self-sponsored MPL cadets have valid licenses and are "ICAO Approved". this is why I assumed some self-sponsored cadets have finished.
Anyway, in response to your question, yes there is nothing wrong with CIA bridging the gap between MPL (incomplete) and CPL/ ME IR. But because things are so complicated, there may be law suits because CIA may request more funds from self-sponsored MPL cadets who now wish to embark on the CPL IR, but those cadets will say that CIA should pay because of all the trouble they caused.
This is very very messy. Can someone please shed light. Lolo- who are you? A cadet (if so self sponsored?) or are you just an interested observer with some connections to CIA.
I am very confused.
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They are still missing the 12 rotations and that is the problem CIA is now (still) desperately trying to resolve.
What is there to resolve. If self sponsored cadets have paid for their full MPL training TR, then apart from there being a lack of aircraft, why aren't CIA providing the final part?
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They are still missing the 12 rotations and that is the problem CIA is now (still) desperately trying to resolve.
What is there to resolve. If self sponsored cadets have paid for their full MPL training TR, then apart from there being a lack of aircraft, why aren't CIA providing the final part?
Sometimes I wonder if they are really aviation people.
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CIA - results???
Guys,
I just want to confirm if this is true. A friend of mine told me that his friend is already flying for 5J as a FO?
PRESENTLY!
Is it true? Any updates guys?
I just want to confirm if this is true. A friend of mine told me that his friend is already flying for 5J as a FO?
PRESENTLY!
Is it true? Any updates guys?
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Aerocadet...partly true! Coz the 20 odd cadets with 5J are technically LFOs (Limited First Officers) 
They become FOs only after completing a certain IOE stage. The first few are already flying (with a full fledged FO sitting on the jump seat as the safety pilot). Some are in various stages of their OBS flights. There are a bunch of cadets awaiting Base checks.
Weather and non availability of check pilots from CAAP are delaying the Base checks for the past few weeks.
They become FOs only after completing a certain IOE stage. The first few are already flying (with a full fledged FO sitting on the jump seat as the safety pilot). Some are in various stages of their OBS flights. There are a bunch of cadets awaiting Base checks.Weather and non availability of check pilots from CAAP are delaying the Base checks for the past few weeks.
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If I'm correct, you would be very surprised to know who this character is....
My private message inbox is always open. Perhaps you may like to give me some information that obviously I am unaware of.
P.S - Looking through Lolo's post history, it seems he only has 3 posts and I'm sure there were a lot more. Any reason why he has gone back and deleted them?
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CIA - results???
@vtango
I see! Thanks for info. This friend of mine is very impressed with the MPL program and is planning to do the same.. Trying to convince me to join him.
I still prefer to go through PPL, CPL, IR, instructor ratings.. For personal reasons, I would want to enjoy what I think is the lighter side of being an aviator. Taking your friends and family in a cross-country flight.. Enjoying the scenery etc. Hehehe! Being in an airline or corporate is a long term goal.
Anyway, cadets fly a C-172SP for the core flying right?
I see! Thanks for info. This friend of mine is very impressed with the MPL program and is planning to do the same.. Trying to convince me to join him.
I still prefer to go through PPL, CPL, IR, instructor ratings.. For personal reasons, I would want to enjoy what I think is the lighter side of being an aviator. Taking your friends and family in a cross-country flight.. Enjoying the scenery etc. Hehehe! Being in an airline or corporate is a long term goal.
Anyway, cadets fly a C-172SP for the core flying right?
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Traveller,
My private message inbox is always open. Perhaps you may like to give me some information that obviously I am unaware of.
P.S - Looking through Lolo's post history, it seems he only has 3 posts and I'm sure there were a lot more. Any reason why he has gone back and deleted them?
My private message inbox is always open. Perhaps you may like to give me some information that obviously I am unaware of.
P.S - Looking through Lolo's post history, it seems he only has 3 posts and I'm sure there were a lot more. Any reason why he has gone back and deleted them?
No need for any PMs on this subject. All that is needed is some attention to that guy's attempts to confuse the issue with "information" that should, normally, only be in the realm of the gods (management).
He certainly is not a cadet but rather a low level manager in CIA that is following "his master's voice" to protect what he thinks is a good source of income and continue to fleece the cadets.
Remember his savage reactions to any criticisms about the way CIA management was handling the self-sponsored cadets situation? And he dares come to this forum looking for some brainstorm.....
The self-deletion of his posts are also proof of his crooked intentions.
It is a real pitty that CIA has let a golden opportunity to make a killing in the world of MPL training go by.
No wonder the other Alpha Aviation organizations don't want to be associated with them.
They are as good as the conman that initiated CIA....
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Actually, in last year's Hot Air Balloon Festival, I had a chance to talk with those on duty in the CIA booth. I asked if there is market for MPL cadets aside from 5J. They showed me a copy of some proposal paper (not sure) or list of POSSIBLE clients with Zest and SEAir on it. They'll be acquiring more A320s in the future as I know.
Actually, in last year's Hot Air Balloon Festival, I had a chance to talk with those on duty in the CIA booth. I asked if there is market for MPL cadets aside from 5J. They showed me a copy of some proposal paper (not sure) or list of POSSIBLE clients with Zest and SEAir on it. They'll be acquiring more A320s in the future as I know.
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I heard Zest is thinking about hiring at least 5 self sponsored cadets. There could be hope..
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Anhanh, Guys! about MPL and what else is going there I can't tell you anything. But Clark is going to provide you with 2 scrap c-152 initially maybe in 1 or 2 weeks and maybe after that with 2 more. But anyway even if they are scrap, but they are good for flying. And maybe you see some new indian instructors there as well.
Wish you all the best.
Wish you all the best.
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SATURDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2009
Well, the saga of Clark Aviation continues. I have remained quiet about this embarrassment to the Philippine Aviation Community up until now.
Apart from having promised over 100 cadets an MPL License and rides in an A320 to complete their license, there are still many cadets who are a long way from seeing any kind of license. In fact, I know of a few cadets who are paying out of their own pockets to get their Commercial/IR at another Philippine Aviation School, just to show that they have something for their more than three year association with Clark Aviation.
Clark Aviation has a reputation for not paying their bills, not delivering on the courses they promise, they treat their staff abysmally and are incapable of showing any kind of professionalism towards their day to day operations, the aviation community and their own cadets.
The following photos speak for them selves, the alphas being loaded up onto a low bed to be hauled away to some hidden location. More than likely, the useful bits will be removed and sold and there will only be useless hulks remaining ..
A warning to all considering purchase of these aircraft, they were imported tax and duty free and have been subject to continuous parts removal by CA who refused to buy the correct spare parts.
Anyone who knows anything about aircraft will shudder at the way these aircraft were loaded ...
Let the photos speak for themselves .. (Taken before lunch today .. These are of the third aircraft, the first one nearly fell off whilst loading it on the low bed, unfortunately I did not get a photo of it)
(Oh, I forgot to mention, they took the wings off yesterday whilst it was raining, they were left sitting in the rain on the ground)
Well, the saga of Clark Aviation continues. I have remained quiet about this embarrassment to the Philippine Aviation Community up until now.
Apart from having promised over 100 cadets an MPL License and rides in an A320 to complete their license, there are still many cadets who are a long way from seeing any kind of license. In fact, I know of a few cadets who are paying out of their own pockets to get their Commercial/IR at another Philippine Aviation School, just to show that they have something for their more than three year association with Clark Aviation.
Clark Aviation has a reputation for not paying their bills, not delivering on the courses they promise, they treat their staff abysmally and are incapable of showing any kind of professionalism towards their day to day operations, the aviation community and their own cadets.
The following photos speak for them selves, the alphas being loaded up onto a low bed to be hauled away to some hidden location. More than likely, the useful bits will be removed and sold and there will only be useless hulks remaining ..
A warning to all considering purchase of these aircraft, they were imported tax and duty free and have been subject to continuous parts removal by CA who refused to buy the correct spare parts.
Anyone who knows anything about aircraft will shudder at the way these aircraft were loaded ...
Let the photos speak for themselves .. (Taken before lunch today .. These are of the third aircraft, the first one nearly fell off whilst loading it on the low bed, unfortunately I did not get a photo of it)
(Oh, I forgot to mention, they took the wings off yesterday whilst it was raining, they were left sitting in the rain on the ground)
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Hey 9ball....instead of conspiracy theories why dont you use your "common sense"
I dont know who had the brain wave to buy the alpha 120s in the first place...but as it is the manufacturer went bankrupt even before they could deliver the ordered aircrafts. Its a no brainer that getting spares for those aircrafts are not easy!
So you have a camera and hang out at omni airfield....duhhhhh but you still did not notice that those 3 aircrafts have not been flying for a long while now? since you are not conencted with Clark Av now, you obviously dont know where those aircraft are.
...ughh you good in math? coz i am yet to meet anybody who has been a cadet for more than 3 years. The school started in Jan/Feb 2007. Except for the non sponsored cadets the first 20 odd are already flying with 5J! half a dozen are awaiting base check and another dozen are waiting to be endorsed to 5J! Whats your problem? You are NOT a non sponsored cadet at the school!
Blame the founding fathers of CA who are lavishly living a nice life elsewhere after screwing around with the lives of the poor cadets! They are the ones that took in those non sponsored cadets in the first place against all regulations! One of them is happily instructing at the KL AA sim centre now.
I dont know who had the brain wave to buy the alpha 120s in the first place...but as it is the manufacturer went bankrupt even before they could deliver the ordered aircrafts. Its a no brainer that getting spares for those aircrafts are not easy!
So you have a camera and hang out at omni airfield....duhhhhh but you still did not notice that those 3 aircrafts have not been flying for a long while now? since you are not conencted with Clark Av now, you obviously dont know where those aircraft are
....ughh you good in math? coz i am yet to meet anybody who has been a cadet for more than 3 years. The school started in Jan/Feb 2007. Except for the non sponsored cadets the first 20 odd are already flying with 5J! half a dozen are awaiting base check and another dozen are waiting to be endorsed to 5J! Whats your problem? You are NOT a non sponsored cadet at the school!
Blame the founding fathers of CA who are lavishly living a nice life elsewhere after screwing around with the lives of the poor cadets! They are the ones that took in those non sponsored cadets in the first place against all regulations! One of them is happily instructing at the KL AA sim centre now.
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Hey c'mon Vtango we all know that 9 ball has not got any common sense. He sits in his secret ops center there "jacking off" every day with a huge chip on his shoulder about getting fired from CA. 
Does anyone know what else he really does inside there?
Does anyone know what else he really does inside there?
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I think you people ( vtango and garfieldslaststand ) have mistaken 9ball for someone else..... also, grow up !!!!..... there is no need to slander people (old and new) in this thread. Our concerns as cadets far outweighs any of your bickering and character assasination so if you don't have anything nice to say about someone then shut the hell up because this is not helping.
You people are UNBELIEVABLE !!!......... Crab mentality sets in again...
Umuwi na lang kayo....
You people are UNBELIEVABLE !!!......... Crab mentality sets in again...
Umuwi na lang kayo....