B737NG Captains SPICE IT UP
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Not sure how a job change is approached in India as far as expats are concerned. I think there is a 6 month no compete clause in most contracts for expats in India. If you leave a carrier you must wait 6 months to join another. As far as the NOC (no objection certificate) I guess you can approach the carrier you wish to apply with. The Indian civil aviation market is still a relatively small one. I can bet you that most checkpilots and management pilots know each other from the military or previous airlines. We lots of ex Air Sahara, Jet, etc etc guys. As they say have your people call their people and see what happens. As long as you have a good record and reputation at your current place there should be no problem getting a NOC I would think. Ofcourse, you would have to go elsewhere for 6 months to comply with the contract.
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i wanted to fly for an Indian airline with a 737 type. But I dont have any hours in it. Does anyone know if an airline is hiring with just a 737 type rating.
i wanted to fly for an Indian airline with a 737 type. But I dont have any hours in it. Does anyone know if an airline is hiring with just a 737 type rating.
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Spicejet is actively seeking DEC for the 737NG. But no airline here is hiring expats without time in type. 500PIC in type. No grey area there. The airline might be interested but DGCA wont allow it, as far as I have been told.
Spicejet is a great place to be if you are considering a contract job in India.
B737-900ER's are on the way and I can bet Intl flying will be next. This is a pilot friendly airline and the tone is set by the top guys. Lot of guys left other Indian carriers to be here. The Gestapo/Mafia does not exist here!
Resumes to [email protected]. If you are not current/qualified with time in type please dont send your resume.
DEC= direct entry capt
Spicejet is a great place to be if you are considering a contract job in India.
B737-900ER's are on the way and I can bet Intl flying will be next. This is a pilot friendly airline and the tone is set by the top guys. Lot of guys left other Indian carriers to be here. The Gestapo/Mafia does not exist here!
Resumes to [email protected]. If you are not current/qualified with time in type please dont send your resume.
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Change of regs
This might help some with a type endorsement but no hours....as per the new regs if you have at least 1000hrs total time and a type rating on say a 737 you cld be hired!! If less than 1000 hrs total u need type experience!
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hey guys!
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I was wondering if anyone knew what the requirements were for first officer and if spice jet is hiring anyone for first officer. if so, who do I contact! Please help
I was wondering if anyone knew what the requirements were for first officer and if spice jet is hiring anyone for first officer. if so, who do I contact! Please help
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Not A Rumour!!!!!!!!!
you guys cld contact Jet or Spice or Blue dart n check with the HR people!!! FO's with type endorsement who have at least 1000 hrs total are being hired.... cheers!!!!
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what are the new regs any more details, and where are they posted
http://www.dgca.nic.in/cars/D7G-G2.pdf
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As of today at Spicejet there are no expat F/O's. Only expat Capt's on the 737NG with previous NG experience and/or EFIS/NG conversion endorsements.
Spicejet has a cadet entry program as well as direct entry for other qualified Indian F/O's. I have been told that F/O manning is more than sufficient. So much so that some F/O's are being contracted out to Oman Air for 1 year.
Perhaps some other carriers have a need for expat F/O's at present.
Spicejet has a cadet entry program as well as direct entry for other qualified Indian F/O's. I have been told that F/O manning is more than sufficient. So much so that some F/O's are being contracted out to Oman Air for 1 year.
Perhaps some other carriers have a need for expat F/O's at present.
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Requiremnts for Hire
The DGCA India has issued a CAR to which a link has been posted earlier. The gist is that we take pilots who have type rating on the B737 NG. He need not have any time on the B 737 NG, but must instead have PIC time on B737 variants of 1000hrs. Glass cockpit, PFD/ND experience on other aircarft types and total experience is considered. The comapny would provide IOE (line flying experience) on th eB 737 NG
The company prefers to hire Captains from reputed airlines and is not hiring expat First Officers. Proficiency in english is essential.
Expat pilots wishing to change companies in Indai can give a notice of leaving the company, and can join another Indian carrier at the end of six months or earlier if they get an NOC.
We look forward to enthusiastic and commited pilots in our cockpits, willing to take on the challenge of a rapidy expanding avaition industry.
The company prefers to hire Captains from reputed airlines and is not hiring expat First Officers. Proficiency in english is essential.
Expat pilots wishing to change companies in Indai can give a notice of leaving the company, and can join another Indian carrier at the end of six months or earlier if they get an NOC.
We look forward to enthusiastic and commited pilots in our cockpits, willing to take on the challenge of a rapidy expanding avaition industry.
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Pilot with Dual citizenship of India.
Can you please help me Capt Nevrkar
Hello Sir, I am a maharshtrian and will be acquiring my US Citizenship very soon. I am going to take up The Overseas Indian Citizenship scheme provided by the Govt of India.
I will be having no restrictions on any employment in India.
Will I be considered a Indian national or a Expat when I apply for a flying job in India.
Also what would you suggest.
Should I get my Indian CPL or stick to my FAA CPL with a B737NG Type rating with no time on type.
My e-mail id is [email protected]
Hello Sir, I am a maharshtrian and will be acquiring my US Citizenship very soon. I am going to take up The Overseas Indian Citizenship scheme provided by the Govt of India.
I will be having no restrictions on any employment in India.
Will I be considered a Indian national or a Expat when I apply for a flying job in India.
Also what would you suggest.
Should I get my Indian CPL or stick to my FAA CPL with a B737NG Type rating with no time on type.
My e-mail id is [email protected]
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I am in a similar situation and would very much like to hear comments on the issue of hiring practices for pilots of Indian origin but holiding citizenship from other countries.
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As Capt Dhillon stated in his earlier post, and this ofcourse only applies to Spicejet. Since we are not hiring expat F/O's, you have to come here as an Indian applicant. What that means essentially is that you will have to convert your foreign licenses to Indian before you can be considered. Other airlines may have different requirements. Good luck in your aviation career. For many
young/old aviators India now is truly the "land of opportunity". For F/O candidates, please attempt to complete all requirements in earnest as there is soon to be (if not already) a surplus of new-hire F/O applicants. I'm told that there are close to 4,000-6,000 Indian pilot trainees all over the world attempting to soon break into the aviation market. So it would help to be as competitive as possible. For example if you are applying to Spicejet, having a B737 Type or experience will probably put you ahead as would having Airbus type for Kingfisher, Deccan or Indigo. My best guess is that the applicant who stands out the most with competitive stats, skills and a good attitude will be picked up first. For others, it will be "take a number, we''ll call you, don't call us." A simple matter of supply/demand.
P.S. For the record, these are just my personal views on the subject and not an official representation of Spicejet hiring policy. I am not invloved in hiring or at any management level at the carrier.
young/old aviators India now is truly the "land of opportunity". For F/O candidates, please attempt to complete all requirements in earnest as there is soon to be (if not already) a surplus of new-hire F/O applicants. I'm told that there are close to 4,000-6,000 Indian pilot trainees all over the world attempting to soon break into the aviation market. So it would help to be as competitive as possible. For example if you are applying to Spicejet, having a B737 Type or experience will probably put you ahead as would having Airbus type for Kingfisher, Deccan or Indigo. My best guess is that the applicant who stands out the most with competitive stats, skills and a good attitude will be picked up first. For others, it will be "take a number, we''ll call you, don't call us." A simple matter of supply/demand.
P.S. For the record, these are just my personal views on the subject and not an official representation of Spicejet hiring policy. I am not invloved in hiring or at any management level at the carrier.
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Nevrekar--Do you know if Spicejet is planning on changing their terms and conditions anytime soon? A little "birdie" told me there are losing a bunch of expats next month and half a dozen Indians have turned in their papers. The big issue I'm told seems to be the pay issue,unpaid leave, poor rostering and substandard hotels. I had considered Spicejet way back but chose another brand X instead. Most NG operators are offering around $1000/month more than Spice, 12 days off a month with a positive space ticket to commute, stable roster and paid leave plus 5 star hotels. Besides once the age 65 rule kicks in the US I doubt that many of us will go overseas if we still can fly in our home country.
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I haven't been privy to any information suggesting that there will be a change in T&C's here although I imagine it is possible for new entrants. Especiallly because of the falling dollar. Dollar has gone from 48/1USD to 39/1USD.As mentioned once the age 65 rule takes effect the pool of NG Capts and Capts at large will dry up. I do believe Indian Capts are on par with expats as far as gross pay is concerned. They still have to pay for their housing and Indian taxes. As far as mass exodus, not aware of that either although there are always rumours of such. True there might be a few leaving (X-mas holdiays) but that I think is factored in when considering manning of contractors. It is to some extent a revolving door process. Bluntly put, there is seldom "brand loyalty" when it comes to contract flying. If you are a contractor flying in some distant land without your family and support group, it makes no difference whether you are in India, China or Korea. As long as the T&C's are good. This is not in any way to discredit anyone who flies as a contractor. It's part of the human equation. Any Indian Capt asked to fly in a distant land without family and support would probably be exactly the same.
Life as a contractor for me is very different because I get to see my wife and kids pretty much every day. I am sure if I was here on solo status, I would most likely look at commutable contracts (Korean Air) and other perks. Then again I would never have left my previous airline for a solo contract. I am told that a carrier in South America is offering a 2 week on/2 week off contract for 737NG Capts. It would make it very attractive for anyone living in North America. It would be an easy commute as well.
Life as a contractor for me is very different because I get to see my wife and kids pretty much every day. I am sure if I was here on solo status, I would most likely look at commutable contracts (Korean Air) and other perks. Then again I would never have left my previous airline for a solo contract. I am told that a carrier in South America is offering a 2 week on/2 week off contract for 737NG Capts. It would make it very attractive for anyone living in North America. It would be an easy commute as well.
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Great thread: View from a old guy who did the ex-pat deal during the 70's in Indonesia, ME, SE Asia in B707's. I retired from a 121 Airline with retirement in tact, good health, and lots of B737NG time.
When Bush signed into law the fly to age 65 bill I started to look at doing the foreign country thing again. The "dream" was to find a country that needed a experienced B737 Capt with the goal being to learn about a different country and culture. What I found was yes there are lots of countries that need qualified Capt's but there is a huge downside.
Most operations will fly you max on and min off. 6 days on and 1 off seems to be the norm. The dream now becomes the stuff that nightmares are made of. Most people really don't know what to expect when taking on a new job in a new country. The WX, culture, food, bugs, ect ect. All this takes time to adjust to and working that kind of sched. will cause a event in attitude or health issues. What was fun and exciting at 34 or less was now at 63 looking more painful than not.
I don't need anymore practice flying the B737, as Im as good or as bad as I will ever be. Will I be able to take advantage of the country Im a guest in or will I be slaving over a hot auto pilot most of the time. With little or minimal time off would I have time to enjoy the country and it's people or would I fall into bed exhausted with my one day off.
Now if I was building time I would take this gig in a heart beat. Did it when I had to and loved the experience. Real grateful that someone with the grace and kindness gave me a job when I really needed it.
SpiceJet, weirdjet, nojet, anyjet. You will pay a heavy price to pump handle a Boeing around these days. When I retired and set the brakes on the B737-900 in 2004 I should have known that I had seen the best of it.
Not to be a downer, just a different view from the particular ox that Im on.
When Bush signed into law the fly to age 65 bill I started to look at doing the foreign country thing again. The "dream" was to find a country that needed a experienced B737 Capt with the goal being to learn about a different country and culture. What I found was yes there are lots of countries that need qualified Capt's but there is a huge downside.
Most operations will fly you max on and min off. 6 days on and 1 off seems to be the norm. The dream now becomes the stuff that nightmares are made of. Most people really don't know what to expect when taking on a new job in a new country. The WX, culture, food, bugs, ect ect. All this takes time to adjust to and working that kind of sched. will cause a event in attitude or health issues. What was fun and exciting at 34 or less was now at 63 looking more painful than not.
I don't need anymore practice flying the B737, as Im as good or as bad as I will ever be. Will I be able to take advantage of the country Im a guest in or will I be slaving over a hot auto pilot most of the time. With little or minimal time off would I have time to enjoy the country and it's people or would I fall into bed exhausted with my one day off.
Now if I was building time I would take this gig in a heart beat. Did it when I had to and loved the experience. Real grateful that someone with the grace and kindness gave me a job when I really needed it.
SpiceJet, weirdjet, nojet, anyjet. You will pay a heavy price to pump handle a Boeing around these days. When I retired and set the brakes on the B737-900 in 2004 I should have known that I had seen the best of it.
Not to be a downer, just a different view from the particular ox that Im on.
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All good stuff coming out on this thread.
I am thinking of coming over to India as P1 on the 737 but the big issue for me that I can't find out on this thread is this. What is the take home/net pay I could expect to be paid if I was selected for employment by an Indian operator?
I am thinking of coming over to India as P1 on the 737 but the big issue for me that I can't find out on this thread is this. What is the take home/net pay I could expect to be paid if I was selected for employment by an Indian operator?
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For a contract in India the amount quoted to you by the contract organization should be NET pay. The amount is usually for 80 hrs of flying. Anything flown extra will be at the applicable hourly rate and paid in the following month (arrears). Housing is either an allowance or a hotel stay. Your leave is either paid or you get a travel allowance. Your taxes are supposed to be paid in India by the company. You are responsible for your home country tax.Pay scales vary based on type of A/C and seat--i.e Line Capt, TRI, TRE. You Should be able to take home somewhere between $8500-$12,000/month, depending on the flying accomplished.
