Expat Pilots In India !!!!!!!!!!
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I'm just wondering if there are any aviators/pilots left on this forum who can respond to the original post.
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HEY FLIGHKNIGHT! WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM.
WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO READ ? Stop crying, start reading!..... read all the posts about India, Flying in India, Expats in India etc here at pprune and you will read that almost everybody adivses you more or less blatant to AVOID THIS S++++Y COUNTRY WHENEVER YOU CAN.
Don't expect to read that once you'll work here it's like paradise. No it's not paradise here in India. Not even for expat pilots.
We are here to fill a gap - but nobody wants us here. Everybody is just waiting 24/7 that one of us will do a mistake.
- You may realize, once you are here that almost all Indians you have to work with, will try to blame you, especially for their own mistakes and they do not hesitate to start big lies against you - just to blame you. And they will succeed.Always be higly alerted, and also be aware of their inhuman jails here which are like hell, here at 'Incredible India'. (It is so easy to get into and f+++ing hard to come out!)
Unfortunately, that is everyday expats pilots life in India!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now just do your own judgement. Informations are available at pprune in great numbers, even here in YOUR thread
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sounds like you do have a problem on your hands. esp if you have to keep looking over your shoulder, feeling that they are all out to get you.
try having a chat with other expats. most of the ones I know are well settled in their jobs and take most things in their stride.
btw, flightknight has every right to post his view here.
sounds like you do have a problem on your hands. esp if you have to keep looking over your shoulder, feeling that they are all out to get you.
try having a chat with other expats. most of the ones I know are well settled in their jobs and take most things in their stride.
btw, flightknight has every right to post his view here.
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Question for locals and ex-pats living in India:
From reading all the post regarding India, I get the impression that India is a truly free and democratic country where people can express their opinions without fear of intimidation. Now---why the h$ll was an arrest warrant issued for Richard Gere for kissing an Indian movie actress consensually?? Is it illegal to kiss people from opposite sex in public in India? With all the development and stuff, is India still living in stone-age in this area?
From reading all the post regarding India, I get the impression that India is a truly free and democratic country where people can express their opinions without fear of intimidation. Now---why the h$ll was an arrest warrant issued for Richard Gere for kissing an Indian movie actress consensually?? Is it illegal to kiss people from opposite sex in public in India? With all the development and stuff, is India still living in stone-age in this area?
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I worked for HVN in the late '90ies, for 3.5 yrs. After I left, I used to say - "Will go back there only on a B52 with nukes".
Actually after spending 57 days on layovers in India in 2005 and doing 17 trips by June 2006 my choice is Vietnam.
Sorry guys.
I am scared to fly into India. Looking at the TCAS is one thing but listening on the radio is... mind-bogging! I've placed a 100USD bet that there will be a major accident in the next 6 months.
I started my expat flying in 1995. I can tell U - nobody will dish out d big bucks for a good look and a decent accent. They throw the big bucks at U because the job is crap - its risky.
On my last 3-day layover I had an open wound on my ankle (a rope burn) that was nicely healing. Guess what - it got infected in Bombay!!!
In a piss-pit like India and Vietnam an expat must consider above and before all the health issues... Because, "no honey, no money"...
A fellow pilot was diagnosed with viral meningitis in Saigon way back in '97. The air ambulance arrived within 2h from SIN - it took 8h to do his paperwork at customs&immi - they almost lost him.
Imagine U are driven to a flight in one of the shiny new Atoses or Indicas and U get smashed by a truck?! No medevac for U - you will bleed to death before any help gets to you through the traffic caused by the rubberneckers. And if at all U get to the hospital on time... Not worth going on...
I am just in the right mood to enlighten you guys, that think that can make a nice buck while on furlough...
On an expat job you are treated like an attachment to the a/c. Not a fragile human being, be it India, Vietnam, China or any other 3rd world place...
God Bless the uninformed!
Amen
Actually after spending 57 days on layovers in India in 2005 and doing 17 trips by June 2006 my choice is Vietnam.
Sorry guys.
I am scared to fly into India. Looking at the TCAS is one thing but listening on the radio is... mind-bogging! I've placed a 100USD bet that there will be a major accident in the next 6 months.
I started my expat flying in 1995. I can tell U - nobody will dish out d big bucks for a good look and a decent accent. They throw the big bucks at U because the job is crap - its risky.
On my last 3-day layover I had an open wound on my ankle (a rope burn) that was nicely healing. Guess what - it got infected in Bombay!!!
In a piss-pit like India and Vietnam an expat must consider above and before all the health issues... Because, "no honey, no money"...
A fellow pilot was diagnosed with viral meningitis in Saigon way back in '97. The air ambulance arrived within 2h from SIN - it took 8h to do his paperwork at customs&immi - they almost lost him.
Imagine U are driven to a flight in one of the shiny new Atoses or Indicas and U get smashed by a truck?! No medevac for U - you will bleed to death before any help gets to you through the traffic caused by the rubberneckers. And if at all U get to the hospital on time... Not worth going on...
I am just in the right mood to enlighten you guys, that think that can make a nice buck while on furlough...
On an expat job you are treated like an attachment to the a/c. Not a fragile human being, be it India, Vietnam, China or any other 3rd world place...
God Bless the uninformed!
Amen
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Indigo, Go Air or Kingfisher what is the best for expat Captain A-320
Hi guys.
Friend of mine (expat Captain of A-320) is in difficult situation which Air Company to join: Go Air, Indigo or Kingfisher.
Any ideas will be appreciated.
Good luck!
Friend of mine (expat Captain of A-320) is in difficult situation which Air Company to join: Go Air, Indigo or Kingfisher.
Any ideas will be appreciated.
Good luck!
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From reading all the post regarding India, I get the impression that India is a truly free and democratic country where people can express their opinions without fear of intimidation. Now---why the h$ll was an arrest warrant issued for Richard Gere for kissing an Indian movie actress consensually?? Is it illegal to kiss people from opposite sex in public in India? With all the development and stuff, is India still living in stone-age in this area?
However, the same question you posed can be applied to the the American context. Why is gay marriage such a big deal in the US? With all the free speech and rights that America boasts of, why is it such a problem? If two men want to get married in a peaceful manner, whats the big deal? To quote you, "With all the development and stuff, is the US still living in stone-age in this area?"
Just because it is widely accepted in the US does not mean that it should be widely accepted in India. Each country has the right to do as it pleases. Richard Gere would dare not do such a thing in the Middle East. If the conservative Muslims in the Middle East do not appreciate sch behaviour, then why do you expect the conservative muslims in India to accept it? ( I am not targeting the Muslims.. THe conservative Hindus also do not approve of this act). Being a secular country, its hard to keep everyone happy. Every country has its problems and this is one of India's major ones
Cheers
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Thanks for the informative reply. And to answer your question..yes..I believe parts of the US is still living in stone-age when it comes to accepting gays and lesbians. Blame it on the Christian fundamentalists here. However, as a pilot, I get to fly with many gays and lesbians and I don't find any problems associating with most of them.
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are we discussing about gay/lesbies now, or living in India as part of information to whom likes to come to India, but one thing is true during my stay in India everybody try to cheat, starting from the hotel servant and on the street the autorikshaw driver then come to your company management's, so you are left alone, the "contract is only a sheet of paper" nobody in India respect this sheet of paper
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beykoz:
You did mention “the cleverest people on the planet”, right?
After weeks of multiple daily power cuts (some of them lasting four or more hours at a time), I have to seriously doubt the mental capacity of the people in responsible positions, such as those in charge of power generation and distribution in this country which – according to some contributors – is home to the “cleverest” people in the world.
Sadly, everything that is in the hands of the government is completely mismanaged. Trying to avoid one public service will only drive you into the clutches of an even worse outfit. Read on.
The other evening, I flew across two major wind farms in Tamil Nadu and observed that some 75% to 80% of all turbines were shut down. When I reached my apartment about one hour later, the power was shut off – we are told this is due to a shortfall in power generation throughout Tamil Nadu. Hardly!
At this point, I should explain that we live in a so-called "luxury" residential enclave, but the developers only provided a generator that is powerful enought to supply electricity to the elevators and public area lighting whenever there is a power cut. So much for "luxury".
Anyway, this Sunday morning, we woke up to a power outage at 7 a.m., meaning we could not cook breakfast. Mrs AF (who is Thai and reasonably tolerant in all matters) finally lost her cool and so we set out to purchase a gas cooking range. This mission was accomplished quite smoothly, and with the new gas appliance in the back of the car, I asked my driver to stop by a petrol station to pick up a cylinder of LPG. At this point, my driver began to tell me something about needing a government licence and a 20-day waiting period, which I all put down to a possible misunderstanding on his behalf. However, it turned out that whilst anywhere else in the world the purchase of a cylinder of LPG is a straightforward money-for-goods transaction, in India (the country with the cleverest people on the planet - remember?) this is not so. In fact, you need a ration card to obtain your LPG, but as a non-Indian, you can’t get a ration card. We now have a gas stove but no gas – and an electric cooker without electricity. Great.
Given that Indians who go abroad are quite happy to complain almost immediately about perceived discrimination (whether it’s having to take off their headgear for security checks as everyone else, or about traces of beef tallow in fries), I wonder whether the same self-appointed victims of discrimination know how non-Indians are treated back home?
Add this to the inability of a nuclear power to generate enough electricity to enable its population to cook a decent breakfast, and I seriously wonder where people such as beykoz get their euphoria from.
You did mention “the cleverest people on the planet”, right?
After weeks of multiple daily power cuts (some of them lasting four or more hours at a time), I have to seriously doubt the mental capacity of the people in responsible positions, such as those in charge of power generation and distribution in this country which – according to some contributors – is home to the “cleverest” people in the world.
Sadly, everything that is in the hands of the government is completely mismanaged. Trying to avoid one public service will only drive you into the clutches of an even worse outfit. Read on.
The other evening, I flew across two major wind farms in Tamil Nadu and observed that some 75% to 80% of all turbines were shut down. When I reached my apartment about one hour later, the power was shut off – we are told this is due to a shortfall in power generation throughout Tamil Nadu. Hardly!
At this point, I should explain that we live in a so-called "luxury" residential enclave, but the developers only provided a generator that is powerful enought to supply electricity to the elevators and public area lighting whenever there is a power cut. So much for "luxury".
Anyway, this Sunday morning, we woke up to a power outage at 7 a.m., meaning we could not cook breakfast. Mrs AF (who is Thai and reasonably tolerant in all matters) finally lost her cool and so we set out to purchase a gas cooking range. This mission was accomplished quite smoothly, and with the new gas appliance in the back of the car, I asked my driver to stop by a petrol station to pick up a cylinder of LPG. At this point, my driver began to tell me something about needing a government licence and a 20-day waiting period, which I all put down to a possible misunderstanding on his behalf. However, it turned out that whilst anywhere else in the world the purchase of a cylinder of LPG is a straightforward money-for-goods transaction, in India (the country with the cleverest people on the planet - remember?) this is not so. In fact, you need a ration card to obtain your LPG, but as a non-Indian, you can’t get a ration card. We now have a gas stove but no gas – and an electric cooker without electricity. Great.
Given that Indians who go abroad are quite happy to complain almost immediately about perceived discrimination (whether it’s having to take off their headgear for security checks as everyone else, or about traces of beef tallow in fries), I wonder whether the same self-appointed victims of discrimination know how non-Indians are treated back home?
Add this to the inability of a nuclear power to generate enough electricity to enable its population to cook a decent breakfast, and I seriously wonder where people such as beykoz get their euphoria from.
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Whats forgoten is that India isnt a "developing nation" its
a FAILED STATE. Its had thousands of bloodey years to
develop. What its doin right now is trying to slowley crawl
itself out of the 3rd world slag-heap.
If your after big bucks and live like a bloodey king with
your own personal Gungadin AND you can adapt to filthey
sh!thole conditions, then Indias the place for you. If you
cant then dont go there. Simple as that.
PS I agree about Indian chicks - some real top-class snatch
can be found there!
a FAILED STATE. Its had thousands of bloodey years to
develop. What its doin right now is trying to slowley crawl
itself out of the 3rd world slag-heap.
If your after big bucks and live like a bloodey king with
your own personal Gungadin AND you can adapt to filthey
sh!thole conditions, then Indias the place for you. If you
cant then dont go there. Simple as that.
PS I agree about Indian chicks - some real top-class snatch
can be found there!
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Slasher your post is not worth a comment, but I can't resist myself asking you are you still working there and filling up your pockets or have you left because of so called unacceptable conditions? Secondly if you don't like something, just give up and leave, nobody will miss you.
Cheers have a drink with all that extra money you have saved and stop cursing the hand which is/was feeding you.
Cheers have a drink with all that extra money you have saved and stop cursing the hand which is/was feeding you.
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Hey there slasher,
whoa now. the easiest snatch you can ever get is down in oz. Seriously, have never had a problem getting a piece there. Lousy second hand lays though, all of them.
whoa now. the easiest snatch you can ever get is down in oz. Seriously, have never had a problem getting a piece there. Lousy second hand lays though, all of them.
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RDR yeh, but chicks outside BOM and DEL were eye-openin
stunners which surprised me a bit. Didnt get all the
emotional baggage that come with Oz chicks nether.
Wouldnt mind goin back to run over a few targets!
stunners which surprised me a bit. Didnt get all the
emotional baggage that come with Oz chicks nether.
Wouldnt mind goin back to run over a few targets!
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More "Cool facts" about BOM
Just came back from 3 full days in BOM:
1. Throat is still awfully sore.
2. Read in the Saturday TOI that some big shot was hit by an apron vehicle while being limo-driven to his flight... Back injuries...
3. Cleaners arrived 39' before departure.
4. AI 851 next door got start-up clearance ahead of us even though he requested it 5 min after us.
5. Delayed 25 min for cleaning, 10 min for catering, 8 min for ATC. Taxied 17 min from bay 49 to "H" intersection rw27.
6 .And it took almost 2h by taxi from Colaba to Powai lake both on fri and sun...
7. Last straw, maybe not so bad - lost 1.5 kilos due "Delhi Belly" (as usual).
p. s. Had to hold/extend final for 21 min upon arrival late thu night.
WHAT A DUMP
1. Throat is still awfully sore.
2. Read in the Saturday TOI that some big shot was hit by an apron vehicle while being limo-driven to his flight... Back injuries...
3. Cleaners arrived 39' before departure.
4. AI 851 next door got start-up clearance ahead of us even though he requested it 5 min after us.
5. Delayed 25 min for cleaning, 10 min for catering, 8 min for ATC. Taxied 17 min from bay 49 to "H" intersection rw27.
6 .And it took almost 2h by taxi from Colaba to Powai lake both on fri and sun...
7. Last straw, maybe not so bad - lost 1.5 kilos due "Delhi Belly" (as usual).
p. s. Had to hold/extend final for 21 min upon arrival late thu night.
WHAT A DUMP
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I always thought that people who came to India fell in two categories: 1) Who absolutely love it and 2) Who absolutely hate it.
Today in one of the expat group meeting (I am Indian but my wife is american) I met the third kind: People who say it is okay and they are glad that they will not be here forever. My wife falls in third category. I was born here, so I am used to most of the stuff and I guess my skin is thick enough now to ignore most of the inhumane things that happens in India. Will I stay here for long, my guess is no. I moved here because my friends painted an excellent picture how good things are here. I am just pointing out some of the drawbacks in India, of course most Indian pilots have not experienced the better side so they do think this is heaven !!
1) Scheduling/Rostering for most airlines suck. In my airline we do get 15 day roster, but I dont even bother opening it as they never stick to it.
2) Due to shortage of pilots you will fly 6 days a week. When in States I was holding line with 14-16 days off per month and still flying 70-80 hours per month (so poor crew utilisation).
3) CRM although is improving a lot now, I have heard some horror stories from my friends. I've had only one bad experience in a year, so I guess thats not too bad.
4) Even on your days off (weekly) you are not to leave the city without your base managers permission.
5) Taxes: Too high (almost 34%) and I dont see where my tax money is actually being spent.
On the other hand, you will be treated like a king, you will have transportation to and from your home and if you are not working for LCC you will get fed as well.
So, the bottom line is whether you want quality of life or money. In India you will have lots of money but no quality of life. In the west you may not have as much money but better quality of life. In a few years from now I will pick the later one.
Today in one of the expat group meeting (I am Indian but my wife is american) I met the third kind: People who say it is okay and they are glad that they will not be here forever. My wife falls in third category. I was born here, so I am used to most of the stuff and I guess my skin is thick enough now to ignore most of the inhumane things that happens in India. Will I stay here for long, my guess is no. I moved here because my friends painted an excellent picture how good things are here. I am just pointing out some of the drawbacks in India, of course most Indian pilots have not experienced the better side so they do think this is heaven !!
1) Scheduling/Rostering for most airlines suck. In my airline we do get 15 day roster, but I dont even bother opening it as they never stick to it.
2) Due to shortage of pilots you will fly 6 days a week. When in States I was holding line with 14-16 days off per month and still flying 70-80 hours per month (so poor crew utilisation).
3) CRM although is improving a lot now, I have heard some horror stories from my friends. I've had only one bad experience in a year, so I guess thats not too bad.
4) Even on your days off (weekly) you are not to leave the city without your base managers permission.
5) Taxes: Too high (almost 34%) and I dont see where my tax money is actually being spent.
On the other hand, you will be treated like a king, you will have transportation to and from your home and if you are not working for LCC you will get fed as well.
So, the bottom line is whether you want quality of life or money. In India you will have lots of money but no quality of life. In the west you may not have as much money but better quality of life. In a few years from now I will pick the later one.
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Indian jobs opportunities
Hello,
I know it's been ages You put this comment, but still try, we never know
My boy friend is living in India, and I m following my CPL lessons in europe.. I wanted to know if I can find some jobs opportunities in India as an instructor .. my goal is to be airline pilot, but i mean, if there is a possibility to build hours near my baby!!!
happy new year,
Kisses,
I know it's been ages You put this comment, but still try, we never know
My boy friend is living in India, and I m following my CPL lessons in europe.. I wanted to know if I can find some jobs opportunities in India as an instructor .. my goal is to be airline pilot, but i mean, if there is a possibility to build hours near my baby
!!!happy new year,
Kisses,
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@sanaa
Sorry, the DGCA does not allow foreign pilots to work in India as First officer or as an Instructor , but expats can work as an captain till 2013 which is likely to be extended by 2 more years .
But If you have a good number of hrs [TT2000] on caravans / pc-12 or aircraft having MTOW less than 5700kg etc you can act as PIC which the DGCA allows
Good luck
mach5
But If you have a good number of hrs [TT2000] on caravans / pc-12 or aircraft having MTOW less than 5700kg etc you can act as PIC which the DGCA allows
Good luck
mach5
