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For those that have gone through the application process with CReW how long did the entire process take from initial application to reporting for your first day of training? I'm just trying to time my application right for when I would like to start if successful. Also, how often does Air Japan hold groundschools these days?
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This is the same as it has been for many years so no change. If the contract company is telling you that this is new then they are feeding you a line of bull.
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So you are saying its the 10 days off, plus 2 travel days, plus 2 annual leave days = 14? I wouldn't mind staying longer now and then, but how much longer? Thanks in advance for your input. I've got 4/4 now, but did 7 months at work last year.
to put some perspective on the off days.
All your commute travel must be done on your days off, so factor that in.
If you live a few time zones away from Japan, factor the continuous adjustment for the body clock, twice a month.
There have been issue in the past and still occur, where the last duty before days off mean you cannot leave for home until the first day off, so possibly scratch another day there.
The potential for 14 off in a row and the flexibility in how one uses on's days off is great here and is probably one of the main reasons so many of the guys stay here. It is not set in the contract and is something the company tries to assist with but can be taken away anytime it suits them
All your commute travel must be done on your days off, so factor that in.
If you live a few time zones away from Japan, factor the continuous adjustment for the body clock, twice a month.
There have been issue in the past and still occur, where the last duty before days off mean you cannot leave for home until the first day off, so possibly scratch another day there.
The potential for 14 off in a row and the flexibility in how one uses on's days off is great here and is probably one of the main reasons so many of the guys stay here. It is not set in the contract and is something the company tries to assist with but can be taken away anytime it suits them
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I am usually here for around 21 days at a time. That is my choice. I do two big blocks of days off each year. Once in the winter and once in the summer. Winter time I take 36 in a row off and summer time I will take 48 in a row off. Even doing that my average time here is 21 in a row. They are extremely flexible with the days off right now. Of course, like gtseraf said, they can take it away when ever they want. (although I doubt they would as there would be a huge number of people quit if they did that)
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the contributions so far.
I have 2 questions here hopefully I could get answers.
Whats the medical standard in Japan? Do they limit people who wear glasses while flying?
I have approx 3000 totals, including 1750 Cessna hours as flight instructor and 1000 CRJ as First officer in United States. I don't quite understand their PICUS hours on their requirements.
Any one have better idea?
Thanks for the response in advance!
Thanks for the contributions so far.
I have 2 questions here hopefully I could get answers.
Whats the medical standard in Japan? Do they limit people who wear glasses while flying?
I have approx 3000 totals, including 1750 Cessna hours as flight instructor and 1000 CRJ as First officer in United States. I don't quite understand their PICUS hours on their requirements.
Any one have better idea?
Thanks for the response in advance!
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Hi Cindyxx,
I believe you can simply disregard those PICUS stuff as you are coming from the FAA system. You did a CFI job in past so most probably you can easily meet their PIC requirements.
Regards
I believe you can simply disregard those PICUS stuff as you are coming from the FAA system. You did a CFI job in past so most probably you can easily meet their PIC requirements.
Regards
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Cindy,
Don't worry about PICUS stuff. That can be used IF you don't have the requirements e.g if you didn't have 250 Hrs PIC then you could have 70 hours PIC and the 180 PICUS (or 500 PICUS).
I'm quite certain with your instructional hours you'll have quite enough PIC etc but just make sure you can tick all the boxes for night, cross country etc because they are required before a JCAB ATPL can be issued and you won't get one without qualifying for all the requirements.
Make sure you've got > 3000, not approx. The Japanese don't do approx.
Don't worry about PICUS stuff. That can be used IF you don't have the requirements e.g if you didn't have 250 Hrs PIC then you could have 70 hours PIC and the 180 PICUS (or 500 PICUS).
I'm quite certain with your instructional hours you'll have quite enough PIC etc but just make sure you can tick all the boxes for night, cross country etc because they are required before a JCAB ATPL can be issued and you won't get one without qualifying for all the requirements.
Make sure you've got > 3000, not approx. The Japanese don't do approx.
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Cindy,
Don't worry about PICUS stuff. That can be used IF you don't have the requirements e.g if you didn't have 250 Hrs PIC then you could have 70 hours PIC and the 180 PICUS (or 500 PICUS).
I'm quite certain with your instructional hours you'll have quite enough PIC etc but just make sure you can tick all the boxes for night, cross country etc because they are required before a JCAB ATPL can be issued and you won't get one without qualifying for all the requirements.
Make sure you've got > 3000, not approx. The Japanese don't do approx.
Don't worry about PICUS stuff. That can be used IF you don't have the requirements e.g if you didn't have 250 Hrs PIC then you could have 70 hours PIC and the 180 PICUS (or 500 PICUS).
I'm quite certain with your instructional hours you'll have quite enough PIC etc but just make sure you can tick all the boxes for night, cross country etc because they are required before a JCAB ATPL can be issued and you won't get one without qualifying for all the requirements.
Make sure you've got > 3000, not approx. The Japanese don't do approx.
Any idea about the medial exam? I wear glasses during flight and I heard about their standards are pretty high, Thats what I am concerning about.
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AJX looks like a pretty good deal with all the cash involved, drawback is probably the 767 type rating(not many operators in Asia) and an 8 to 9 months training period for non-JCAB.
How long before one gets transferred to the Newer 787s? After 1st contract or totally discretionary ?
DC
How long before one gets transferred to the Newer 787s? After 1st contract or totally discretionary ?
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Cindy,
There are plenty of AJX pilots who wear glasses. Talk to the contract agency (CREW would be best for an American) and they'll let you know the exact standards. You can make a decision from there but it's not the astronaut medical that many claim it is. China, on the other hand.....
Desert Camel,
At the moment new joiners cannot request the 787 until 1.5 years of being in the company (from the most recent communication). However, we might see things change. There are quite a few FOs who have not requested to move to the 787 because it will muck up their upgrade plans on the 767 and it is really only the junior guys who have gone across so far. Until there is a definite upgrade program on the 787 many are playing their cards close to their chests. Does this mean AJX will 'force' FOs to transfer? Who knows, but I would think they'll allow the really new guys to go before they did that......just my guess and not based on any word from the Company at all.
I'm sure by now the negatives of the training etc have been discussed enough. We all know it is ridiculously long but I'm sure it doesn't need saying every time someone makes a post. Either accept it and apply or don't bother. It won't change the way the Japanese do things either way, just as us telling them the same things to their faces doesn't change anything.
There are plenty of AJX pilots who wear glasses. Talk to the contract agency (CREW would be best for an American) and they'll let you know the exact standards. You can make a decision from there but it's not the astronaut medical that many claim it is. China, on the other hand.....
Desert Camel,
At the moment new joiners cannot request the 787 until 1.5 years of being in the company (from the most recent communication). However, we might see things change. There are quite a few FOs who have not requested to move to the 787 because it will muck up their upgrade plans on the 767 and it is really only the junior guys who have gone across so far. Until there is a definite upgrade program on the 787 many are playing their cards close to their chests. Does this mean AJX will 'force' FOs to transfer? Who knows, but I would think they'll allow the really new guys to go before they did that......just my guess and not based on any word from the Company at all.
I'm sure by now the negatives of the training etc have been discussed enough. We all know it is ridiculously long but I'm sure it doesn't need saying every time someone makes a post. Either accept it and apply or don't bother. It won't change the way the Japanese do things either way, just as us telling them the same things to their faces doesn't change anything.
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Fratemate,
I have one weird question jumped out of my head lol..
Understanding that Japan is a man dominated country, would they have discrimination between male and female candidates as well ?
What's the proportion of female involves in aviation industry in Japan? I am concerning that female might not get the equal opportunity in job seeking and promotion and so on..
No offense, just curious. I do wanna go AJX but the culture things are really my concerns.
Thx!
I have one weird question jumped out of my head lol..
Understanding that Japan is a man dominated country, would they have discrimination between male and female candidates as well ?
What's the proportion of female involves in aviation industry in Japan? I am concerning that female might not get the equal opportunity in job seeking and promotion and so on..
No offense, just curious. I do wanna go AJX but the culture things are really my concerns.
Thx!
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Cindy,
There are plenty of AJX pilots who wear glasses. Talk to the contract agency (CREW would be best for an American) and they'll let you know the exact standards. You can make a decision from there but it's not the astronaut medical that many claim it is. China, on the other hand.....
Desert Camel,
At the moment new joiners cannot request the 787 until 1.5 years of being in the company (from the most recent communication). However, we might see things change. There are quite a few FOs who have not requested to move to the 787 because it will muck up their upgrade plans on the 767 and it is really only the junior guys who have gone across so far. Until there is a definite upgrade program on the 787 many are playing their cards close to their chests. Does this mean AJX will 'force' FOs to transfer? Who knows, but I would think they'll allow the really new guys to go before they did that......just my guess and not based on any word from the Company at all.
I'm sure by now the negatives of the training etc have been discussed enough. We all know it is ridiculously long but I'm sure it doesn't need saying every time someone makes a post. Either accept it and apply or don't bother. It won't change the way the Japanese do things either way, just as us telling them the same things to their faces doesn't change anything.
There are plenty of AJX pilots who wear glasses. Talk to the contract agency (CREW would be best for an American) and they'll let you know the exact standards. You can make a decision from there but it's not the astronaut medical that many claim it is. China, on the other hand.....
Desert Camel,
At the moment new joiners cannot request the 787 until 1.5 years of being in the company (from the most recent communication). However, we might see things change. There are quite a few FOs who have not requested to move to the 787 because it will muck up their upgrade plans on the 767 and it is really only the junior guys who have gone across so far. Until there is a definite upgrade program on the 787 many are playing their cards close to their chests. Does this mean AJX will 'force' FOs to transfer? Who knows, but I would think they'll allow the really new guys to go before they did that......just my guess and not based on any word from the Company at all.
I'm sure by now the negatives of the training etc have been discussed enough. We all know it is ridiculously long but I'm sure it doesn't need saying every time someone makes a post. Either accept it and apply or don't bother. It won't change the way the Japanese do things either way, just as us telling them the same things to their faces doesn't change anything.
Fratemate,
Thanks for the info, but how about if one is joining as DEC on the 767? I would guess, it will be opposite. Most Juniors will have to do the whole term before seeing the 787.
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Cindy-- We currently have 3 females first officers working here. That is not a lot but they are all pretty junior so it seems that the power that be are willing to hire both sexes.
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I think you misunderstood him, Jrmyl, he's talking about DECs.
DC: Yes, I think if you came here as a DEC then you would be waiting longer because I think the majority of captains will go to the 787 before they have to push some to go or assign the most junior/new joiners. There are plenty who want to stay on the 767 and there are a few who cannot convert due to the age rules they've put in place but I still believe it will be a some time before they get to the bottom of the captains list to convert, whereas the FO list will be gobbled up more quickly because there is a higher % who do not want to go.....the reasons mostly explained above.
Cindy: It is true we do not have the proportions of female to male pilots that some airlines have. In fact, we're even worse off than Jrmyl says because we lost one of our female FOs back to Qantas. Their gain and definitely our loss. We've now only got two and I am not going to put words into their mouths about how they feel they are treated but, hopefully, they don't feel discriminated against. ANA Mainline have quite a few female pilots, so I don't think any discrimination is a deliberate policy. If we lack female pilots in AJX it may be just because not that many have applied. We did have two other girls. One was here a reasonable amount of time but left when she failed her second attempt to upgrade. The other barely got into line training and went; it wasn't for her for quite a few reasons and I would say none of them were because she was discriminated against....in fact she had a lot of help. I'm sure there's a bunch of sexist old farts in the ANA Group but it is my opinion that if there are any in AJX they are few and far between.
DC: Yes, I think if you came here as a DEC then you would be waiting longer because I think the majority of captains will go to the 787 before they have to push some to go or assign the most junior/new joiners. There are plenty who want to stay on the 767 and there are a few who cannot convert due to the age rules they've put in place but I still believe it will be a some time before they get to the bottom of the captains list to convert, whereas the FO list will be gobbled up more quickly because there is a higher % who do not want to go.....the reasons mostly explained above.
Cindy: It is true we do not have the proportions of female to male pilots that some airlines have. In fact, we're even worse off than Jrmyl says because we lost one of our female FOs back to Qantas. Their gain and definitely our loss. We've now only got two and I am not going to put words into their mouths about how they feel they are treated but, hopefully, they don't feel discriminated against. ANA Mainline have quite a few female pilots, so I don't think any discrimination is a deliberate policy. If we lack female pilots in AJX it may be just because not that many have applied. We did have two other girls. One was here a reasonable amount of time but left when she failed her second attempt to upgrade. The other barely got into line training and went; it wasn't for her for quite a few reasons and I would say none of them were because she was discriminated against....in fact she had a lot of help. I'm sure there's a bunch of sexist old farts in the ANA Group but it is my opinion that if there are any in AJX they are few and far between.
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I think you misunderstood him, Jrmyl, he's talking about DECs.
DC: Yes, I think if you came here as a DEC then you would be waiting longer because I think the majority of captains will go to the 787 before they have to push some to go or assign the most junior/new joiners. There are plenty who want to stay on the 767 and there are a few who cannot convert due to the age rules they've put in place but I still believe it will be a some time before they get to the bottom of the captains list to convert, whereas the FO list will be gobbled up more quickly because there is a higher % who do not want to go.....the reasons mostly explained above.
Cindy: It is true we do not have the proportions of female to male pilots that some airlines have. In fact, we're even worse off than Jrmyl says because we lost one of our female FOs back to Qantas. Their gain and definitely our loss. We've now only got two and I am not going to put words into their mouths about how they feel they are treated but, hopefully, they don't feel discriminated against. ANA Mainline have quite a few female pilots, so I don't think any discrimination is a deliberate policy. If we lack female pilots in AJX it may be just because not that many have applied. We did have two other girls. One was here a reasonable amount of time but left when she failed her second attempt to upgrade. The other barely got into line training and went; it wasn't for her for quite a few reasons and I would say none of them were because she was discriminated against....in fact she had a lot of help. I'm sure there's a bunch of sexist old farts in the ANA Group but it is my opinion that if there are any in AJX they are few and far between.
DC: Yes, I think if you came here as a DEC then you would be waiting longer because I think the majority of captains will go to the 787 before they have to push some to go or assign the most junior/new joiners. There are plenty who want to stay on the 767 and there are a few who cannot convert due to the age rules they've put in place but I still believe it will be a some time before they get to the bottom of the captains list to convert, whereas the FO list will be gobbled up more quickly because there is a higher % who do not want to go.....the reasons mostly explained above.
Cindy: It is true we do not have the proportions of female to male pilots that some airlines have. In fact, we're even worse off than Jrmyl says because we lost one of our female FOs back to Qantas. Their gain and definitely our loss. We've now only got two and I am not going to put words into their mouths about how they feel they are treated but, hopefully, they don't feel discriminated against. ANA Mainline have quite a few female pilots, so I don't think any discrimination is a deliberate policy. If we lack female pilots in AJX it may be just because not that many have applied. We did have two other girls. One was here a reasonable amount of time but left when she failed her second attempt to upgrade. The other barely got into line training and went; it wasn't for her for quite a few reasons and I would say none of them were because she was discriminated against....in fact she had a lot of help. I'm sure there's a bunch of sexist old farts in the ANA Group but it is my opinion that if there are any in AJX they are few and far between.
Isn't there a lady in training right now? If so that would make the 3 I was talking about. Even so, still a small number.