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Old 17th Apr 2018, 07:31
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How is the introduction of the 787 going, it started in March right?
Are they transferring based on seniority I guess?
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 09:29
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First 787 course started in January and they've all passed all the JCAB stuff. The second course started in March and the third is slated for May. You can see the pattern I'm pretty sure the first course has finished the line training stuff as well.

The first two courses were captains only and were, mostly, done on seniority. With JCAB and ANA Mainline looking on with a LOT of interest, AJX wanted to make sure they were all going to pass, so some people may have been bypassed. To be honest, I haven't even looked at the list to see if that's the case but it is what we were advised was going to happen in the emails prior to the courses starting.

The May course will all be FOs and there's eight on every course.

After that we don't know but it should start being a mixture of captains and FOs. There will be more captains because there are a whole heap of FOs who either can't 'bid' for the 787 because they haven't been in long enough or they've been in too long and would rather get a command on the 767 instead of being stuck in the RHS of a 787 for the next 4+ years.

Allegedly, after course 1 & 2 it should go to seniority but they reserve the right to pick who they want. They doubtless will and don't really need to give a reason because we don't actually have a seniority system, we have no union representation for such (and the contract companies might as well not exist for that sort of thing) AND because that's what they said could happen. So, I'm sure we'll see the usual junior suspects on the 787 course (if they can drag themselves away from butt kissing in the office) ahead of people who have been there significantly longer
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Fratemate
First 787 course started in January and they've all passed all the JCAB stuff. The second course started in March and the third is slated for May. You can see the pattern I'm pretty sure the first course has finished the line training stuff as well.

The first two courses were captains only and were, mostly, done on seniority. With JCAB and ANA Mainline looking on with a LOT of interest, AJX wanted to make sure they were all going to pass, so some people may have been bypassed. To be honest, I haven't even looked at the list to see if that's the case but it is what we were advised was going to happen in the emails prior to the courses starting.

The May course will all be FOs and there's eight on every course.

After that we don't know but it should start being a mixture of captains and FOs. There will be more captains because there are a whole heap of FOs who either can't 'bid' for the 787 because they haven't been in long enough or they've been in too long and would rather get a command on the 767 instead of being stuck in the RHS of a 787 for the next 4+ years.

Allegedly, after course 1 & 2 it should go to seniority but they reserve the right to pick who they want. They doubtless will and don't really need to give a reason because we don't actually have a seniority system, we have no union representation for such (and the contract companies might as well not exist for that sort of thing) AND because that's what they said could happen. So, I'm sure we'll see the usual junior suspects on the 787 course (if they can drag themselves away from butt kissing in the office) ahead of people who have been there significantly longer
Thanks for the info Fratemate! Obviously I know you don’t have a crystal ball but how do you see this affecting recruitment on the 76? More required to replace those transferring to the 78 or less required as they phase out the 76? Anyone who does have a crystal ball feel free to reply....
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Fratemate
First 787 course started in January and they've all passed all the JCAB stuff. The second course started in March and the third is slated for May. You can see the pattern I'm pretty sure the first course has finished the line training stuff as well.

The first two courses were captains only and were, mostly, done on seniority. With JCAB and ANA Mainline looking on with a LOT of interest, AJX wanted to make sure they were all going to pass, so some people may have been bypassed. To be honest, I haven't even looked at the list to see if that's the case but it is what we were advised was going to happen in the emails prior to the courses starting.

The May course will all be FOs and there's eight on every course.

After that we don't know but it should start being a mixture of captains and FOs. There will be more captains because there are a whole heap of FOs who either can't 'bid' for the 787 because they haven't been in long enough or they've been in too long and would rather get a command on the 767 instead of being stuck in the RHS of a 787 for the next 4+ years.

Allegedly, after course 1 & 2 it should go to seniority but they reserve the right to pick who they want. They doubtless will and don't really need to give a reason because we don't actually have a seniority system, we have no union representation for such (and the contract companies might as well not exist for that sort of thing) AND because that's what they said could happen. So, I'm sure we'll see the usual junior suspects on the 787 course (if they can drag themselves away from butt kissing in the office) ahead of people who have been there significantly longer
Great thank you
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 12:15
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Thanks for the info Fratemate! Obviously I know you don’t have a crystal ball but how do you see this affecting recruitment on the 76? More required to replace those transferring to the 78 or less required as they phase out the 76? Anyone who does have a crystal ball feel free to reply....
I certainly don't have a crystal ball but in my opinion (and it's worth the price you're paying for it) I think they'll need fewer pilots in the company as they shrink the 767 freighter fleet. Basically, the 787s will replace the 767s in the passenger role but ANA has announced they will be reducing the 767 freighters by 3 or 4 (I can't remember exactly how many).

But all is not lost and they still want plenty of pilots and they're not getting them. We'll be losing a bunch of QF pilots soon and there are a few who have applications in with the US majors (and some who have already gone that way). We've got some retirements coming up and the 2020 Olympics on the way, so they're still recruiting.

You've been sitting on the fence for ages 757. Are you coming or not.....it can't be that difficult :-)
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 23:20
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500hrs on Jet Time?

Does anyone have any idea how strict they are on the 500 hours on jet in the screening process. I meet all the requirements except the 500 on jet. I have plenty of time on large commuter turboprops (Q400) but not sure that will count. I'm currently captain on a regional jet but just barely cracked 250hrs PIC. Not sure whether to apply until having the 500 hours on jet?
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 07:41
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Having gotten through the very early stage of being invited for an assessment. I can assure you that they are very strict with exactly what the ask for. They scrutinized every single hour logged & wanted a very comprehensive list of exactly which operator you worked for doing the work.
Hopefully I will proceed further than the assessment but I will update the group in any event.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 07:56
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When I read through the contract details, it said they only want the last 6 pages of your logbook? Is that true?
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Catalytic Ignition
Having gotten through the very early stage of being invited for an assessment. I can assure you that they are very strict with exactly what they ask for. They scrutinized every single hour logged & wanted a very comprehensive list of exactly which operator you worked for doing the work.
Hopefully I will proceed further than the assessment but I will update the group in any event.
I've been in and out on wether to apply based on my experience to go to Emirates or do this contract so tough decisions........
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 14:00
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That is correct they only require the last 6 pages for the application. Company validated of course. I cannot comment at all first hand about flying for Emirates but have a few buddies there. You will find a very different management style than what you are used to. Also terms & conditions that can be changed at any moment in your favor but usually not. The training culture from what I hear is also not the best. I cannot comment first hand but these are the noises I hear. Goodluck & make the right Decision for you & yourself alone!!!
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 00:34
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They may want the last six pages of your logbook for the application but on day one, when you join, they will want you to have all your logbooks so they can check you meet the requirements for conversion to a JCAB ATPL. Make sure your numbers all add up
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 01:57
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Originally Posted by Catalytic Ignition
That is correct they only require the last 6 pages for the application. Company validated of course. I cannot comment at all first hand about flying for Emirates but have a few buddies there. You will find a very different management style than what you are used to. Also terms & conditions that can be changed at any moment in your favor but usually not. The training culture from what I hear is also not the best. I cannot comment first hand but these are the noises I hear. Goodluck & make the right Decision for you & yourself alone!!!
You will find that the culture here is very different to any Western culture. The individual is expected to comply with the rules and requirements of the group. Many decisions are made here based on company requirements with little or no consideration given for personal circumstances. This often translates to being expected to do perform duties which, in many other companies, would be considered unacceptable.

It would not be unreasonable to ask oneself why they have been recruiting non-stop for many years yet, the crew numbers are hardly growing.
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 04:32
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It would not be unreasonable to ask oneself why they have been recruiting non-stop for many years yet, the crew numbers are hardly growing.
Probably the most profound point I've seen made about this contract.

Very sobering.
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 09:57
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Originally Posted by gtseraf
You will find that the culture here is very different to any Western culture. The individual is expected to comply with the rules and requirements of the group. Many decisions are made here based on company requirements with little or no consideration given for personal circumstances. This often translates to being expected to do perform duties which, in many other companies, would be considered unacceptable.
The 787 transition being a perfect example.
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 10:04
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
The 787 transition being a perfect example.
How so? You mean for some people being bypassed?
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 19:59
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Gentleman, does someone know if it is possible to apply again if failed at any stage of the interview process?

Thank you
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Old 23rd Apr 2018, 14:43
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Originally Posted by Fratemate
I certainly don't have a crystal ball but in my opinion (and it's worth the price you're paying for it) I think they'll need fewer pilots in the company as they shrink the 767 freighter fleet. Basically, the 787s will replace the 767s in the passenger role but ANA has announced they will be reducing the 767 freighters by 3 or 4 (I can't remember exactly how many).

But all is not lost and they still want plenty of pilots and they're not getting them. We'll be losing a bunch of QF pilots soon and there are a few who have applications in with the US majors (and some who have already gone that way). We've got some retirements coming up and the 2020 Olympics on the way, so they're still recruiting.

You've been sitting on the fence for ages 757. Are you coming or not.....it can't be that difficult :-)
Thanks!! Haha I’m nowhere near the fence - the application will go in the day I have 3000 hours! Looking like back end of this year if not early 2019!!
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 06:10
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Hello

I got also approached by CAE to work for this outfit.

I was wondering if there are here european pilots working for them? Is the commuting part on your 12 days of doable? Face it, only 12 days off and doing a long commuting flight and facing a jetlag, i can imagine it is pretty hard.

Some info. Tx
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 13:26
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I was wondering if there are here european pilots working for them? Is the commuting part on your 12 days of doable?
Read the thread and your questions will be answered.
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Old 24th Apr 2018, 19:17
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Yes i know you can extend the days off with your holidays.

But i just wanted to hear the feedback of european pilots about the commuting, if they think it is doable or not. For me it would mean every time a flight of 12 hours.

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