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Old 24th Jan 2010, 23:37
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Air Nippon is not ANA..

ANA(Mainline)= All Nippon Airlines.

Air Nippon is not ANA(All Nippon Airlines)


Listen ETOPS777

It detracts from the ability to make your point when you don't even know how the company is called. There is no All Nippon Airlines, the name of the company is All Nippon Airways. The ANA group is composed by 8 subsidiaries and Air Nippon is one of them operating the 737 with contract pilots, The contract pilots (we) don't work for neither ANA nor their subsidiaries, we work for the contract companies which is who we have our contracts with and they are the ones that actually pay our salary. You don't even know what you are talking about and you are pretending to teach us about our job and the condition of our employment?

I tell you what, we won't interrupt your relentless pursuit to master the obvious if you don't try to teach us the name of our company and the condition of our employment, deal?
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 01:30
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Wow Dominican you sound like a stressed/uptight individual, airways/airlines who
cares? But please dont go into the office singing what a great company it is to the Js, Because i can assure you thats not how we won the business class travel ,
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 03:22
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Maybe you are correct.

The way this job got like it is was by applying pressure for the improvements and resisting, as much as possible, some of the unpleasant moves.

Let's keep that pressure up, shall we!
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 04:45
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Dominican boy..now you listen

Have I ever in my posts trying to describe about the job itself? or was I ever trying to implied that I have the in depth knowledge about the company or the job??

Of course I know that you are under an agency and of course that you are not paid by the Airlines itself. Big deal about airlines or airways..WOW

The facts is that you are under the contract to fly for its sister companies and not ANA itself...and THAT IS THE FACTS.

now go chill out...dude
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 11:35
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" It had been known earlier that JAL planned to cut 15,700 jobs by the end of fiscal 2012. The latest revelation shows that 95 percent of the planned cut will be implemented within fiscal 2010. According to the plan, JAL will cut its cockpit crew by 13 percent from the current 4,180 to 3,650, and its flight attendants by 14 percent from the current 9,440 to 8,120"
You are right Ishi, it is maybe the right time to put some pressure on it... be careful you don't get kicked in the assu onegaishimasu....
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 13:15
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The way this job got like it is was by applying pressure for the improvements and resisting, as much as possible, some of the unpleasant moves.

Let's keep that pressure up, shall we!
I have always expressed my gratitude to you Ishi and to all other trailblazers that actually did the ground work for this contract to become what it is today because I realize that it wasn't this at the beginning and you where one that actually flew and actually worked to get rid off those fatigue plagued pairings, I do believe however that the JAL factor will insert influence that we haven't seen before in this contract not because JAL hasn't been in trouble before but because of the nature of the restructuring. My point is that we are not entitled to employment in Japan and our employment has been and always will be considered based on staffing numbers and only on staffing numbers, if it comes a point that they will be sufficiently staffed with nationals, there won't be a justification for our employment and time served or personal relationships, likability factors won't be the factors that they will use to make their decision about our continued employment, I'm sure that the ANK group also inserted pressure to have their pairings improved and I'm sure that they had influential individuals that have management's ear such as yourself within their pilot group but regardless their contracts will be cancelled non withstanding the pressure that they where able to insert. I don't expect that this will happen but it is a reality that all of us that work here, senior or not should understand and be ready for
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 06:26
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Great Job

Hey Guys

you are doing an outstanding job ... please do not stop right now! Thanks
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 09:01
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ANK contracts

Gents, not that it really matters but, to set things straight.

ANK contracts were not cancelled. They were 42 month contracts that have expired and whilst both ANK management and, surprisingly, Union were very keen for the current contractors to be renewed this was not acceptable to the head shed. There has been speculation that the non renewal was to do with an agreement with another Union. In any case the contractors were brought in to assist with crew levels on the -500 while the local guys transitioned to the
NG; we new pretty well from the start that a renewal was unlikely despite lobbying from our bosses.

Those of us who were in good standing with the company were actively backed by management in gaining interviews with AJV of which my self and another are presently on course and bloody happy to stay under the blue banner as well.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 19:55
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testing 1,2,3,
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 20:10
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For the guys already working at AVJ

Iīm considering leaving RYR for a more exciting contract after 6 years dealing with an ever increasing glamourless operation like the one we suffer at RYR.

My application for DEC has been acepted by Parc and I have a few questions before going any further. I have read the whole thread but I havenīt found answers to these...

1) Is it safe to say that most people take the C class ticket instead of the 2 grand to commute home every month? I canīt see myself commuting to Spain for that kind of money on business class...

2) Do your wife/kids have any benefits in terms of free rides (ZED, IDīs, etc..)? Considering that Iīm only willing to take business class to Japan from Spain, is there such a thing as a ZED Bussiness rate?

3) My conditions mention "short working months"... is that a bluff or is it reasonable to believe that you might get them from time to time?

4) If succesful at the screening, is the training (ATPL, Type, Line training..) hard to achieve or most people get it done? Are there cases where people fail after starting the training and loose the job?

5) Considering that the only expense from our side once on the line would be to cover Tokyo accomodation, how many days are u expected to remain in Tokyo off duty and therefore liable to pay for it? Where do u stay and for how much?


Thanks a lot.

Iīm so excited about getting water and food while on duty....
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 02:34
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1. Half and half. Depends on where you commute from and your tolerance for economy class travel. I take the $2000 because I don't have a far commute and usually can get tickets for $600.

2. Only Y class Zeds. Mostly on Star Alliance carriers with a few exceptions. You, spouse and dependents get them.

3. At the moment we are over staffed so short work months are easy to get from time to time. That is subject to change and the only guarantee you will get one is if you work a part time contract. Those typically are not available until after you complete your first contract.

4. Training is not the easiest in the world. What makes it different is the length and the style. It can take as many as 9 or 10 months to check to the line in some cases. Also, you have to remember that this is Japan. If you do things their way and don't argue then it is not so bad. If you have to ask a lot of questions, especially the "why" question, then it will not be a pleasant experience. Yes, there are cases where people do not pass training and lose their jobs. However, if you have patience and humility, then it should be no problem in my opinion.

5. The amount you are in Narita varies a lot from month to month. You are paid an accommodation allowance that will cover the costs of a hotel or you can try to find an apartment. About half stay in the hotels and half stay in the apartments.
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 03:13
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Thanks a lot CRJ

I have to say that between u, Fratemate, el Dominicano and a few others, it makes this difficult decision a lot easier.

They are already giving me some stress about the logbooks which I admitt I havenīt kept to date for years.....

The other thing is the medical. Iīve never had a problem with my first class but Iīm a bit afraid after reading some posts here.

We will see.

In any case, and just by reading these posts, I feel that if Iīm lucky enough to pass the screening and survive the 10 month training, it looks like a decent job and a good contract to fight for.

RGRDS
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 07:20
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I had the same problem, haven't kept a master logbook in years, and stopped keeping a red crew log about 5 years ago, just printed up my line from the company computers at the end of every month to keep a running total on my flight time.

The problem is that doesn't account for night or IMC time or actual instrument approaches shot. At 9,000 hours, I really don't give a flying rat fart, but obviously they do, so I had to guestimate it as best I could in my master log with one line entry for each year.

They said I was successful in my application, but ranked your class entry by how well you did in the sim. Unfortunately for me, ATA went out of business at almost exactly the same time, so a bunch of current and qualified 757/767 people interviewed right after me and, of course, did better in the sim, being rated in the aircraft and currently flying it. So I never was placed for class, and my application packet purged after a year.

As far as the American Medical? It's a freaking joke. Always has been, anywhere in the world. Not even nearly as thorough as a standard yearly doctor checkup for a non-pilot, much less screening for someone with our responsibilities.

However, the JCAB medical was a non-event for me, if a little lengthy. The only thing I have is borderline-high cholesterol levels because I like my cream in my coffee every morning and my steaks and ribs on a regular basis. I'm 5' 11" and 170 pounds and run and work out 5 days a week, so the BMI wasn't a problem, but my cholesterol never goes below 200 and stays closer to 230. Even so, I still passed. If you're in halfway decent shape, don't sweat the medical. If your BMI is bad, well...

Question for the others who are there: If they're overstaffed, why another recruiting drive?
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 07:52
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G'day LPA,

1. If you're commuting to Spain you'd be absolutely mad to do anything else but take the C class tickets. With that length of commute you'd soon burn out with ZEDs and economy seats, so don't sweat it. Take the decent seat, collect the miles and don't worry about the $2000 you never saw.

2. See CRJ's reply.

3. Seeing as AJX aren't hiring at the moment, if successful you'd be flying for AJV. AJX may have a few extra pilots but that's not the case on the freight side and I've certainly not heard of any of our guys getting 'short months' (apart from the > 60s who are required to fly fewer hours). Plan on having 11 days off per month (AJV) and the ability to add your 2 vacation days and you won't be disappointed. Plan on getting part-time and you will be.

4. See CRJ's reply and delete 'why' from your brain.

5. You get $550 accommodation allowance per month. This is used to pay your hotel bill when in NRT and not on standby. All downroute hotel rates are taken care of by the Company. You get $50 refunded to your salary for each standby day. AJX spend more time in NRT than AJV but I don't think that will be a factor for you. I think an average month would see you paying for 6-7 nights in the Excel or Garden Hotels (most people stay at the Excel) at a rate of JPY5775 per night.

Sort your logbook out before you come. JCAB are quite fussy when it comes to the niff naff and trivia (never mind the big picture) and, as a result, the Company are too. Huge piles of shame will be heaped upon AJV by JCAB if a pilot's logbook is found wanting, so they ensure this doesn't happen by making sure you're squared off before you come.

PS: Hurry your application if possible. Rumour control suggests the total number of pilots in AJX + AJV is reaching critical mass and judicious cross-pollination would mean no more pilots required. Just mumbled rumours but I wouldn't hang about.

Okay, enough of this, I'm off to the pub......
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 10:41
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You forgot to ask if they give you food and water during the flight.

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Old 14th Feb 2010, 14:39
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Maybe my use of overstaffed is not quite accurate. Short work months have been available for the last for months for a few guys. However, with swapping HNL for BKK and adding TAO and probably SGN in July, we will very quickly be short again.

Rumor control from the X side has been saying that the long term plan is for us to do all of the 767 flying from NRT and the ANA boys will pick up the new HND international flying. To be absolutely honest, I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen in the next few months.....even the Japanese management.

But, I think they are planning on expansion and since it takes about 9 months to get guys from indoc to the line, you have to start early. That's my take on it at least.

I had 2 dinners tonight
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Old 14th Feb 2010, 20:15
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I have a question on the vision test portion of the medical.....I can make 20/20 when I get my 1st Class FAA medical where they use the little circles with the break and you have to tell whether the break is on the top, the bottom, right, left. At the eye doctor though where he uses the chart with letters it's tough; I can barely see 20/20 and it's more like 20/25 in reality. This is all with lenses in, btw. Uncorrected I'm around 20/30. Just wondering if something like this would shoot me down.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 02:35
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We use the little circles here. I have the same problem. With letters, I can barely make 20/20. I am really more like 20/25 or 20/30. But here with the little circles I can make 20/20 easily and usually 20/15.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 09:40
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Typical roster

For you guys already flying for AJV;
What's a typical roster:
-When you go out flying, how many days you stay out of TYO?
-How long are rest periods during layovers?
-When back to TYO, how many days off in a row?
-How many legs a day? Short, long legs?
Thanks a lot everybody.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 10:48
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Thanks Fratemate,

The problem with my JAR logbook is that I havenīt logged x-country time or night time in the past 15 years.

My hope is that they will consider my airline time as x-country time?ŋ?ŋ

Iīm trying to hurry my application, however Iīm presently employed and I mentioned my requirement to give 3 months to RYR, something I canīt avoid doing especially with the summer season coming up.. (I donīt want to slam the door on those Irish man... u never know when you might need them again). I really hope that, if succesful, they respect that because otherwise I will not accept the job on short notice

In regards to the tickets, I canīt see myself commuting from Gran Canaria (not just Spain) in anything other than a C class confirmed ticket, so I already discounted the 2 grand from my expected salary.

Anyway, Iīm excited about this challenge (detailed logbooks, tough medical, long training, japanese ways, etc...). Iīll try my best and we will see..

I hope they donīt mind that my background is low-cost. After 6 years in RYR I must go back to some basic understanding of aviation etiquette like not showing up in the crewroom with a bottle of water, have some decent shoes, shave in the morning, not fly sick because I donīt get paid for it, and all of those beauties that I miss....

Thanks for the insider notes!!

RGRDS
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