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Though I haven't done it myself, we do have several guys here who commute from Europe, including a few from Denmark. They seem happy enough, and I have never heard them complain about the commute, so I'm guessing it's not a big problem for them.
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[QUOTE][Thanks for the info, this seams like a nice company to work for, can you give me an example on a typical monthly roster, days off, days on
Cheers, Hank
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For what company? AJX and AJV have fairly different roster patterns
Cheers, Hank
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For what company? AJX and AJV have fairly different roster patterns
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If you apply at Parc for one position you get applications for both and the contracts are similar so it's a bit confusing for us wannabes, but in you opinion which company should I apply for if I want to commute to Europe Cheers Hank
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Hum? that is a difficult question to answer Hank because I really don't think that there is an advantage from the commuting perspective of one company vs. the other, they both have business class commute and they both require you to commute as to arrive in Tokyo the day before your first duty day, they both have rosters that permits you to fly out the last day of your duty and the salary package for the F/O's is the same for both AJV and AJX (thanks to the guys that have been here since the beginning and fought hard to get conditions improved at these two contracts, I personally can't say thank you enough) the upgrade time frame is pretty much at the 4 year mark for both companies and they both are planning to run classes every other month for the foreseeable future, so it really depends on what kind of flying you want to do.
At AJV they are flying less than we are at AJX (about 40 hours vs. 70 hours) but that could very well change in the future because AJV is expecting an increased workload, they do mostly overnight stuff while we do some day trips (we also do some overnight stuff at AJX) but I will let an AJV guy to give you a more detailed example of their rosters and I will just give you one of my rosters as an example.
I arrive day one (day before my first duty) I'm using business class every month, to me being comfortable and not having to worry about loads etc. vastly out weight making a few extra hundred dollars a month.
1) over night trip to SIN
2) SIN
3) back to NRT
4) over night trip to HKG
5) HKG
6) return to TYO
7) Blank Day (basically off, it is not considered a day off but you are not obligated to be available for duty)
8)Sin overnight trip
9) Sin
10)return to NRT
11) China day trip (two leg day trip)
12) China day trip (two leg day trip)
13) Taipei over night
14) return to NRT
15) Standby duty from 3pm to 9 pm. (you are rarely called)
16) Blank day
17) HNL trip
18) HNL
19) return to NRT, and I commute home home the same day.
Mind you, I'm using two vacation days per month to extend my days off to 12 and remember that at AJV they do have one extra day off per month (11 vs 10 at AJX) that is probably the most tangible benefit at AJV is that they have an additional day off
Hope that helps
At AJV they are flying less than we are at AJX (about 40 hours vs. 70 hours) but that could very well change in the future because AJV is expecting an increased workload, they do mostly overnight stuff while we do some day trips (we also do some overnight stuff at AJX) but I will let an AJV guy to give you a more detailed example of their rosters and I will just give you one of my rosters as an example.
I arrive day one (day before my first duty) I'm using business class every month, to me being comfortable and not having to worry about loads etc. vastly out weight making a few extra hundred dollars a month.
1) over night trip to SIN
2) SIN
3) back to NRT
4) over night trip to HKG
5) HKG
6) return to TYO
7) Blank Day (basically off, it is not considered a day off but you are not obligated to be available for duty)
8)Sin overnight trip
9) Sin
10)return to NRT
11) China day trip (two leg day trip)
12) China day trip (two leg day trip)
13) Taipei over night
14) return to NRT
15) Standby duty from 3pm to 9 pm. (you are rarely called)
16) Blank day
17) HNL trip
18) HNL
19) return to NRT, and I commute home home the same day.
Mind you, I'm using two vacation days per month to extend my days off to 12 and remember that at AJV they do have one extra day off per month (11 vs 10 at AJX) that is probably the most tangible benefit at AJV is that they have an additional day off
Hope that helps
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Which is better? That probably depends on whether you ask an AJV or an AJX guy. At AJV you get 11 days off because you do more tiring back of the clock stuff. On top of the 11 days, many guys choose to take 2 of their vacation days per month to get a 17 on / 13 off roster. This is something scheduling is currently allowing, but it's not guaranteed that they will always do so. Additionally, there is quite a lot of flexibility in how you arrange your work and off time, (alternating, back to back etc.) The scheduler here works very hard to accommodate peoples' wishes, so most of the guys are able to get something they are reasonably happy with each month.
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Thanks guys for good info, as I said before both companies seams like good places to work and judging by yours and other posts here there seams to be a good working atmosphere there too, just have to convince my wife, otherwise my application would be in the post as we speak. Maybe I'll see you guys in a few months.
Cheers Hank
Cheers Hank
Hello Hank
You make a very valid point in your last post. My experience, and that of many of the guys on this contract, is that this lifestyle can be very demanding on the family, especially the wife, as she has to alternate between being a single mother when you are away at work and then sharing the parenting, decision making etc. when you are back home. It is not always very easy and should, unless unemployment etc. forces the issue, be considered very carefully before taking up this lifestyle.
I am not being negative about it, have been here for 7 years and have worked through (sort of) these issues, such that the job works for us and is actually not too bad.
Good luck with it all.
You make a very valid point in your last post. My experience, and that of many of the guys on this contract, is that this lifestyle can be very demanding on the family, especially the wife, as she has to alternate between being a single mother when you are away at work and then sharing the parenting, decision making etc. when you are back home. It is not always very easy and should, unless unemployment etc. forces the issue, be considered very carefully before taking up this lifestyle.
I am not being negative about it, have been here for 7 years and have worked through (sort of) these issues, such that the job works for us and is actually not too bad.
Good luck with it all.
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gtseraf makes an excellent point. If your wife is the type that needs to call you every time the plumbing leaks or the car gets a flat, then it is likely that neither one of you would be very happy in this situation. I am pretty lucky that my wife is a smart capable girl who easily handles everything while I am away--still there is the issue that gtseraf mentions about us guys "reassimilating" back into family life when we come home. Years ago at another job, I once complained to my wife that I was tired of always having to reassert my authority when I came home. I thought she was going to die laughing! And she was right...she doesn't come to work and tell me how to do my job, so why should I come home and tell her how to do hers. She does a great job of running things while I am gone, so it doesn't makes sense for me to try to reinvent the system every time I come home, though I often still try
That said, these issues come up with nearly every airline job that involves flying anything besides day trips, and so I don't think they are particular to AJV/AJX. Good luck and hope to see you on the line.
That said, these issues come up with nearly every airline job that involves flying anything besides day trips, and so I don't think they are particular to AJV/AJX. Good luck and hope to see you on the line.
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Hi!
There is a Japan Contract guy out of ATL, that takes the $2K/month, uses some of it to buy a ticket, and then upgrades to Business Class with his miles.
So, if you live near the right hub, you can make money AND still have positive space Business Class.
Being gone about 20 days in a row IS an adjustment for most airline guys, but not for me. I would LOVE to get an interview.
cliff
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There is a Japan Contract guy out of ATL, that takes the $2K/month, uses some of it to buy a ticket, and then upgrades to Business Class with his miles.
So, if you live near the right hub, you can make money AND still have positive space Business Class.
Being gone about 20 days in a row IS an adjustment for most airline guys, but not for me. I would LOVE to get an interview.
cliff
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550 hours TT?? Jesus holy mother of God!!! With that kind of time i was still running " locals" around the bush in a C182! How the hell do you get a B767 endo with 550 hours? Having said that there maybe a couple of guys here with not much more TT than that here
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Hi coolio,
It never hurts to apply..however I have noticed that they tend to stick extremely tight to their stated requirements of 3000 TT and 1000 commercial jet. These days also, the competition is quite fierce as word is getting out that this is a pretty good gig. Many of the guys hired here recently (as FO's) have well over 10,000 TT and lots of heavy jet time. I don't mean to sound discouraging, but just to let you know what you're up against. Good luck to you and keep at it.
It never hurts to apply..however I have noticed that they tend to stick extremely tight to their stated requirements of 3000 TT and 1000 commercial jet. These days also, the competition is quite fierce as word is getting out that this is a pretty good gig. Many of the guys hired here recently (as FO's) have well over 10,000 TT and lots of heavy jet time. I don't mean to sound discouraging, but just to let you know what you're up against. Good luck to you and keep at it.
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As The Domincan stated in his post just a few days ago, time to upgrade is four years. As in my response to coolio yesterday, no I do not think they will consider your application as they do not ever budge from their stated minimums. Living in Japan is only possible if you have some other reason (besides the job) that qualifies you to do so, such as being married to a Japanese citizen.
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hi orangutan!!(gorilla in spanish)
Thank you for your words.....
By the way......does then anyone knows how to get hours on 757/767??
And i didnt do yet my base training coz of some troubbles of dates...having 0 hours on jet,do JAA approve Level D simulator for 6 takeoffs and landings?
Cheers.
Thank you for your words.....
By the way......does then anyone knows how to get hours on 757/767??
And i didnt do yet my base training coz of some troubbles of dates...having 0 hours on jet,do JAA approve Level D simulator for 6 takeoffs and landings?
Cheers.
