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Old 20th Nov 2019, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Roccat View Post
Hello.. been reading the whole post from the beginning.... hats off to all who has posted all those well packed information: The Dom, jrmyl, gtseraf, Fratemate, Absolutely, heavydane, etcÖ (sorry if I missed out some other guys). Also to the guys who shared they experiences on the screening process.

I have a pre-screening coming up sometime in December, and if I pass, the actual screening may be somewhere in Jan 2020. Some questions for the ppl with experience:

1. How many days do you need to allocate for the screening + medical? Including the day to travel to Japan.

2. If you fail the screening, they will send you home the very next day instead?

3. If you fail somewhere down the line during training, will you get a compensation of some sort?

4. With the 787 around, do the 767 pilots fly freight routes only?

Roccat
The only one of those I can answer is number 4. No, we still fly both cargo and pax flights on the 767. We are just shrinking the passenger destinations for that airplane now.
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 00:59
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Thanks jrmyl, that's good to know...
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 09:53
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Mr ATPL, Tq so much for the info! That helps. Hope I make the cut. Sorry can't reply the PM (I tried).....I'm a newbie...
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 19:51
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Soooo this is a little dissapointing.
Let me guys know what you think as Crew might not be correct. I have 3000 hours jet time almost. But i don't have 250 hours pic as I was hired just when I finished my ATPL training. They say Air Japan would only screen me if I have these PIC hours mentioned. Do you guys know if it is true? Anyone got hired without having been instructor or having flown s/e or multi after ab-initio training?
I'm applying with a friend, with almost 4000 hours jet time and he has the same problem. :S
This is so confusing!
Thanks folks!
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 22:29
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CREW are absolutely correct. If you cannot tick EVERY box for hours requirement, your application will not be accepted. The Japanese system is very Black and White when it comes to experience requirements. There is NO way around this.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 23:21
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I agree GTSERAF. However, in the requirements for Air Japan they are asking for minimum hours I have. It's just one of the requirements the ones we don't fulfill
We will have to try with CAE and see what happens.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 23:38
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Originally Posted by montema View Post
I agree GTSERAF. However, in the requirements for Air Japan they are asking for minimum hours I have. It's just one of the requirements the ones we don't fulfill
We will have to try with CAE and see what happens.
Min requirements to apply for a Japanese ATPL are 1500 hours, 250 pic, 100 night, 75 instrument time. Without 250 pic you cant apply for a Japanese ATPL.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 23:45
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However, this is what it's said everywhere. We meet "70 hours as PIC with the remaining as PICUS/P1 Under Supervision". So I don't really understand what the Japanese Aviation Authorities are asking for. :S
  • Minimum of 3,000 hours total time and minimum of 500 hours commercial airline jet time (corporate/business jet/turboprop hours not accepted)
  • 250 hours Pilot in Command on any aircraft OR 70 hours as PIC with the remaining as PICUS/P1 Under Supervision OR 500 hours as PICUS/P1 Under Supervision
  • Valid ICAO State ATPL with Class 1 Medical Certificate (valid minimum 6 months after the start date)
  • ICAO Valid Jet Aircraft Command Rating or
  • ICAO Jet Aircraft Type Rating with a Command Instrument Rating (valid minimum 6 months after the start date)
  • Date of last flight within the last 18 months on a commercial jet
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 01:49
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So I don't really understand what the Japanese Aviation Authorities are asking for
  • 250 hours Pilot in Command on any aircraft OR 70 hours as PIC with the remaining as PICUS/P1 Under Supervision OR 500 hours as PICUS/P1 Under Supervision
It's pretty simple and, as pointed out by Rumbear, is a JCAB requirement to issue a foreign experience-based ATPL. If you don't have the hours then the JCAB won't issue your ATPL.

So;

Do you have 250 hrs PIC?

No - Do you have 70 hrs PIC and 180 hrs PICUS (with every PICUS entry signed by the captain in your logbook)?

No - Do you have 500 hrs PICUS (with every PICUS entry signed by the captain in your logbook)?

If you don't have any of those three options then go and rent yourself a C152 in the USA and top up what you're lacking.
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 02:15
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I do have the 70PIC + PICUS. thats what i want to confirm with you guys; if anyone has made it being in the same position as I am.

Thanks for the replies
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 08:55
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The Americans don't really 'do' PICUS, so it is little understood, even by companies that should know like CREW.

All this having been said, I would actually call CREW and discuss the matter with them. Explain you do have the requirements on their website and are able to meet the JCAB regulations.

Of course, CREW may not want to put forward a candidate who is not as well qualified as other applicants and that is entirely their call. PARC will understand PICUS better (European) but they are a distinct second choice as their health insurance and loss of licence is nowhere as good as CREW.
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Fratemate View Post
The Americans don't really 'do' PICUS, so it is little understood...
Just for a bit of background on FAA PICUS (should it be relevant in this context) from an FAA legal interpretation:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf


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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 20:03
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Do they wave the ICAO state ATPL requirement if you possess more than enough hours to satisfy the ATPL minimums as well as fulfill all the other ANA requirements?
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 22:14
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I don't really understand what you mean. You need to be unfrozen to get their ATPL. They don't accept frozen. (I know cause it happened to me and I have to unfreeze it if they accept my application).
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 22:17
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That's the funny thing though. The AJX paperwork looks really old and the explanation is really bad in certain areas. While in some of them they specify PIC + PICUS, in others they just write PIC and a minimum of hours are marked between brackets. Tried with CREW, however if it doesnt work i'll have to wait another 6 months which is the cool down perior for AJX to apply again... hope everything goes well. If not, we'll try with PARC.

Thanks Fratemate!
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:02
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Originally Posted by montema View Post
The AJX paperwork looks really old and the explanation is really bad in certain areas!
That is Japan, not only this company! On one hand they are one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, and in the other, you get companies like ANA that does their schedules by hand in a company with over 8,000 pilots.
The JCAB manages a very large aviation market and when I went to their office to get the information on license verification, it was like a movie from the 1950ís endless rows of desks with piles of paper on top of them, almost no computers in that room. One time in a meeting I asked as to why we didnít use scheduling software and the answer was that they couldnít find a program that fits our operation, all that in a country that has people that can build a robot that can make our schedules.

Get use to it, the coexistence of the very old and the ultra modern is part of working in this wonderful and beautiful nation.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 06:12
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the inputs on this thread. Many insights were shared, kudos.

I have worked as an expat in different airlines, I mean as a "tax paid by the company" expat or "tax not needed to be paid" expat, but I have never been into a commuting roster in any of my expat roles so far.

I am still considering this gig in a Capt 767 (NTR) role, so I'm gathering info as much as I can. Hence a curiosity, if somebody could explain it. From what I gather in this thread, somewhere it was mentioned that you need an employment pass or something of that sort to get an address, bank account, driving licence etc, so I am guessing the commuting roster salary would be paid directly to your home country bank account.
So curiosity is,
1. Is the salary paid to your home country bank account or any account of your choice (e.g. expat accounts in HKG or SIN)?
2. The hotel stay during your 20 days or whatever days ON is paid by the company or is it like paid by you every time you checkout or deducted from your salary on a X days block basis or what? Wait, is it even a hotel stay because CAE job page mentions accommodation allowance too? I am confused now.
3. The local to and from airport to hotel transport and meal expenses during your ON days...is that also paid off or you arrange it on your dime? This one is stupid but I am just so curious to figure out the cost of living 18 or 20 days every month in Japan with this type of setup.
4. The non-type rated (which is my category) candidates have to pay some upfront or is it like 100% amount bonded against a couple of years?
5. How do you enter Japan once you are on this type of job, like on a crew visa or something or you get a temporary govt. Id because it seems you just won't have any sort of Id to identify yourself as a non-resident of Japan.
6. I recall it being mentioned that as AJX pilot you shall be doing only international flights, so that means either you are in the cockpit or the hotel. Guess what I am coming at is how a sample roster looks like over this 20 ON day spread?

I still have so many curiosities but I guess this is good enough for starters.

Anybody care to share upon this?

Thanks and Happy Landings,
Just Landed.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 07:08
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It doesnít look like you have read this thread since these questions have been answered over and over! But here we go again!

1. Is the salary paid to your home country bank account or any account of your choice (e.g. expat accounts in HKG or SIN)?
The contract company will direct deposit to any account of your choosing!

2. The hotel stay during your 20 days or whatever days ON is paid by the company or is it like paid by you every time you checkout or deducted from your salary on a X days block basis or what? Wait, is it even a hotel stay because CAE job page mentions accommodation allowance too? I am confused now.

Hotels and transportation while on the road is covered by the company and the majority of hotels are quite nice. The nights you spend at base (Narita) is covered by the pilot with the accommodation allowance.

3. The local to and from airport to hotel transport and meal expenses during your ON days...is that also paid off or you arrange it on your dime? This one is stupid but I am just so curious to figure out the cost of living 18 or 20 days every month in Japan with this type of setup.

Train rides to and from work while at base is covered by the pilot with the allowance, the exception being training events where you need to go down to the training center where they will give you a bus ticket or you can submit a reimbursement form.

Now the cost, to be honest the accommodation allowance wonít be enough to cover the expense of being in Japan during your roster, food is not too expensive (Steak being the most expensive item) but housing and utilities are pretty pricey, here is Narita is cheaper than down in Tokyo but if you are like any of us that enjoys a cold one here and there, and doesnít really think about what to eat because of the price, you will end up spending more than your perdiem and your housing allowance for sure.

4. The non-type rated (which is my category) candidates have to pay some upfront or is it like 100% amount bonded against a couple of years?
No, but there is a penalty with CREW if you leave the contract early.

5. How do you enter Japan once you are on this type of job, like on a crew visa or something or you get a temporary govt. Id because it seems you just won't have any sort of Id to identify yourself as a non-resident of Japan.
You enter like every other crew member from other countries, with a Shore Pass that you will need to keep with you while you are hanging out in Tokyo, the most important thing is that this shore pass restricts the area where you can be while in Japan so if you have a couple of days off while at base and you want to do some sight seeing while in Japan, itís best that you enter with a visa.

6. I recall it being mentioned that as AJX pilot you shall be doing only international flights, so that means either you are in the cockpit or the hotel. Guess what I am coming at is how a sample roster looks like over this 20 ON day spread?
We can only do international flights since we are not legal residents of Japan and you are a temporary contract worker, I know it sounds strange but that will be one of the least strange things youíll come across.
A sample roster wonít do you any good, they vary so it might not be at all what you experience once on the line, remember that there is a transition to the 787 so we donít really know how this job will look like a year or two down the line. It will be over 8 months before you are even released on the line.

I still have so many curiosities but I guess this is good enough for starters.
I would really recommend (again and again) that you take some time and read this thread, there is information here that you wonít think about asking but that it is good to know. The thread is very old but definitely go back letís say 5 years or so and start from there.
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 10:56
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Hello Just Landed. One correction to my post! I'm with another contract company so I didn't know but I was informed that the penalty for leaving the contract early at CREW is no longer part of the contract.
Sorry for the confusion.
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