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Old 9th Jul 2019, 13:02
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You can expect to start the upgrade process around the 4 year mark regardless of what experience you bring to the company. Once you upgrade you will sign a new contract as a captain. It starts at year 1.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 14:47
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Originally Posted by jrmyl View Post
You can expect to start the upgrade process around the 4 year mark regardless of what experience you bring to the company. Once you upgrade you will sign a new contract as a captain. It starts at year 1.
So if I understand correctly, a 4 years FO (grossing ~$13k/month) takes a pay cut while in upgrade training (~$10k/month), to end up as a year 1 CA at ~$14.7k/month.

Sounds very lame. What's the point of going through the trouble and responsibilities of an upgrade to make marginally more than a FO?

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Old 11th Jul 2019, 21:55
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possibly the fact one would be getting widebody command hours to find a better gig elsewhere?
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 22:01
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Maybe... Where do people typically move on? US legacies, UPS/FedEx?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 07:05
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Originally Posted by Montcalm View Post
So if I understand correctly, a 4 years FO (grossing ~$13k/month) takes a pay cut while in upgrade training (~$10k/month), to end up as a year 1 CA at ~$14.7k/month.

Sounds very lame. What's the point of going through the trouble and responsibilities of an upgrade to make marginally more than a FO?
No, you do not take a pay cut. While in training you are still making the same pay as you were before training. After your checkride you will sign a captain contract. It is not the same as the new hire captain contract that is posted online. It is called an "Upgraded Captain" contract. It starts at year 1 but again, the pay is not the same year 1 pay that a new hire captain would have. You will NOT take a paycut to upgrade. It isn't much of a bump but it is a bump.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 21:50
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Interview call

Sorry guys, little off topic, how long after submitting you paper work you can expect a call for an interview or any feedback? I have been waiting for 3 months now and haven't heard anything from Crew ...???

Anybody with recent interview invite? F/O position, 7000h jet time.

Thanks
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 12:01
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So believe I have gotten through all of the posts. From when it was brilliant, then to awful to the standard “it is what it is” atmosphere you seem to have now. I’m still interested despite the rose tinted glasses being knocked off somewhat.

I’m at the ME airline that cannot be named. We can’t even log into PPRuNe without a you know what running these days. The other pilots are mostly great, the trainers on my fleet are great and it is a generally EASA compliant airline making it run with a certain amount of sense. Good friends, good lifestyle to a degree. But friends are leaving cost of living is increasing and tbh the shine is wearing off the brand new Airbus.

Also the atmosphere sucks and the recent pilot reductions, both those that followed LIFO and the slightly more dubiously titled pilot productivity reductions, have left a bitter taste. But who’s airline isn’t run by idiots these days.

My main interest in AJX comes from the straight time at home, I have an ailing father and the 1 or 2 visits a year need to increase really. Plus at this gig I pay for each flight home save for 1. The idea of 12 blocks of time at home each year really appeals. Especially the J class in and out,

I was a cadet at said airline too so I currently only have a UAE GCAA ATPL (it is ICAO) though I am currently converting to EASA (if you think the JCAB course is long, the process of getting my conversion is both long and costly despite the FTO in the UAE being EASA (previously JAA) approved. But I digress.

I’m 34, single, 5000TT (all but 250 obviously on jets) Current type A380 previously 320(family) 332/3/F & 340. So I meet the requirements both in terms of time and no real object to commute. I’m from the UK but house is near Barcelona,

1. Am I completely mad?

2. I see some other guys have come from the Sandpit and would love their honest opinions given their experience.

3. I’m not personally fussed about the 78 but do you think it’s introduction will eventually lead to roster improvements as the PAX cargo opps essentially split again?

4. See 1.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 12:03
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As an aside I am also considering head down get EASA done and go home but the 2 airlines I fancy also have their issues around pay and time off. It’s all in the mix as it were.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 14:07
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Hey Matt,

Probably not my place to give advice since I don't work at AJX. But here are my two cents : looking at your experience, qualifications and type ratings (and if the European job market is anything like what we see in the US), you could probably find better QOL closer to home.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 16:17
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Hi,
Long shot I know, but is anyone in NRT on 21st July that I could buy a coffee for and pick their brains about this contract?
PM me if so. Fingers crossed
Thanks!
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 21:04
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Not at all sir, you're far from the first to say the same. Though I have to say I still don't feel that well qualified. Basically I still have that feeling of one last adventure before settling down. It's also fair to say that airlines at home still have their downfalls. Pay is initially not great or I need to "reactivate" an old rating which isn't cheap.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 10:24
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What's the ZED travel like here (e.g spouse/family/nominated, number of tickets)?

Also, if let's say I'm a resident of country A, but would like to commute from Country B to take advantage of lower cost of living, is that an option (for the C ticket).
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 13:38
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hi guys,

can someone who actually works there send me a pm as I have few questions before attending the interview (lifestyle related)?
It would be great to have some info from inside about lifestyle an commuting part of the job
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 18:45
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Hi,


Does anyone know the sort of experience new FO's are getting in with ??

Whats actually competitive ?


Thanks.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 02:09
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Female pilots Ana contract?

hi Ive just sent off my application to Ana for the contract and Im just wondering if anyone knows if they hire females? Im not a raging feminist by any means but just curious as I know some airlines around the world still only have a token few so they can say they do hire them!!!
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 01:54
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Originally Posted by Chloeamgraham View Post
hi Ive just sent off my application to Ana for the contract and Im just wondering if anyone knows if they hire females? Im not a raging feminist by any means but just curious as I know some airlines around the world still only have a token few so they can say they do hire them!!!
Yes. Currently 3 on line and 1 in training.
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 06:17
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Fantastic! thanks so much for taking the time to reply.
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 02:28
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Originally Posted by El Rayo Vagabundo View Post
Hi,


Does anyone know the sort of experience new FO's are getting in with ??

Whats actually competitive ?


Thanks.
I have the same question. Sent my application through CREW a week ago along with a few questions and still no response.
Maybe they have enough applications.
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