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Old 31st Aug 2018, 11:05
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drop24

I cannot share any schedules obviously, but itís all inline with what I mentioned in my previous post.

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Old 31st Aug 2018, 21:19
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67% command upgrade failure rate! Thatís ridiculous.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 01:29
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67% command upgrade failure rate! That’s ridiculous.
I think you need to put this into context. First of all the guys that failed aren't actually on the upgrade course, they're being assessed for upgrade, so they really haven't failed. You might think I'm arguing semantics but the reasons for not being put through to the next stage could be far less damaging for an FO's future than if he failed the actual upgrade course.

Over the last 5 or 6 years we have had many FOs join, NOT ALL, that had a fraction of the experience that was seen historically and I think this is starting to show. AJX stick to their side of the bargain and begin assessment at around 3.5 years but some of these guys are just not ready. I can't think of any other large airline that would assess someone for the command of a 767-sized aircraft after such a relatively short time and certainly not with the experience some of them have. I haven't looked at the list of those who didn't make it through the latest assessment but a quick squint at who I think would be in the frame would certainly make me think twice about 2 or 3 of them and it's not even my place to do so.

There will be others who don't get upgraded because of previous indiscretions. You may well say that's unfair but you only have to read this thread and realise that the Japanese are not good at confrontation but they don't forget, either. I'm not talking about genuine mistakes but deliberate actions which may have embarrassed AJX. I am quite sure they put a big X on that first assessment but you'd never get to actually know the reason because......see point about confrontation.

I feel sorry for those who don't get through the assessment but also feel AJX are setting unrealistic expectations. They won't change the 3.5 years because that is what they've done from the first FO to upgrade and at least we should give them credit for abiding by this. Many pilots will see this opportunity to upgrade very early and it has been a major selling point for encouraging people to join but it is a sad fact of life that some are simply not ready when it comes to upgrade time and just don't have the experience to fall back on when it's going for a can of worms and they need to be in charge. There would be huge dissent if they changed the system to assess at more realistic times e.g. base it on experience, with 3.5 years as the minimum, but if they continue to do what they do then we will continue to see some guys assessed as 'not suitable yet'.

Do not think, for one minute, that I am forgiving of certain of the Japanese assessors. One is a malicious XXXXX and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an aircraft, let alone a management position where he has such a say in the future of the FOs. The trouble is, we always seem to have one and as soon as he goes we get another.....usually just the one. I can't argue sensibly for any FO that is assessed badly by someone who just really doesn't like anything in life, especially Gaijin FOs. Luckily they are very few and far between and, usually, saner minds prevail.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 15:29
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Why can no one talk about schedules? Are they so individually unique that it would be easy to identify the poster?
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 16:18
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Where do you guys layover? Is it mostly in China?
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 18:33
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Originally Posted by manillaorbust View Post
Where do you guys layover? Is it mostly in China?
We layover in:

Kansai
Naha
Taipei
Hong Kong
Ho Chi Minh City
Bangkok
Yangon
Singapore
Guangzhou
Shanghai
Chengdu
Xiamen
Dalian

So almost every city we fly to. Just not every night of the week at all places.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 18:35
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Originally Posted by drop24 View Post
Why can no one talk about schedules? Are they so individually unique that it would be easy to identify the poster?
I think it's because one persons schedule is nothing like another persons schedule. Plus they are never the same from month to month. The only thing that ever changes at this place is the schedules. NOTHING else ever changes, or ever will.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 19:00
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Would you say you are overworked? Is fatigue a major factor? How much of your month is night flying? Do you switch to day flying often?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 03:33
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1. Overworked? I would say no, compared to other airlines. My medical normally sees me writing between 450-500 hours for the year on the form. They will try and ensure they write the schedules such that we will have one day off in seven but that roster will most likely have standby days where you're not called and occasionally groundschool, emergency training, sims etc. With normal days off, commuting days and vacation days they only have you for 197 days per year.

2. Tiredness is certainly sometimes a factor but show me a 24 hour airline where it's not. It's not nice flying from RGN to NRT through the night but you're never going to see daytime only flying in an organisation such at AJX, so you have to suck it up or go and get an office job somewhere. I don't think fatigue is an issue at the moment. It has been in the past and at one stage the scheduling was really going downhill as far as fatigue mitigation was concerned. However, for the most part, I believe they've listened to what has been said and now try to schedule more sensibly. In my opinion fatigue is brought about by cumulative knackering trips, not an individual trip interspersed with others. Maybe I've been lucky but I really don't see others doing multiple knackering trips in a row and being genuinely fatigued. Tired, sometimes, yes but (at the moment) I don't see fatigue as a major factor.

3. Probably half the roster is night flying. There are some passenger day trips and maybe one or two cargo day trips but most of the flying will be either day into night, vice versa or a day flight to somewhere (e.g. RGN) and a night flight back. If you're scared of the dark then don't apply.......to almost any airline.

4. Again, I believe they have listened to what they've been told about the day/night switching and tried to reduce it. I don't mean during a trip (as I've mentioned above) but if a trip is, for instance, a night cargo flight and your next trip is a day passenger return flight then they'll generally split it with a standby duty or a day off (blank day) if you're close to requiring one. Going from day to night is not normally the problem as you have the time before the night flight to try and rest but the other way round reduces the options and that's why they'll try to stick something in between.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 09:17
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There are many cultural idiosyncrasies and politics evolved with this job, there is also a risk in terms of the variable pass rate as we have discussed over a decade now on this thread! But it also seems that we are preaching to the choir!

Lets be honest, if cultural BS and pass rates weren't a factor at other gigs, Would you even be reading this thread?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 15:10
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Hi Guys,

Thanks to all of you who have been contributing to this great thread full of very useful information. I have a couple of questions to whoever will be able to help:

1) Is it possible to request a special flight to be able to commute home on the last day of duty? For example asking for a flight landing early morning to catch an early afternoon flight.
2) Are all layovers 24h or can it be longer?
3) How does the company feel about sick days being used while at home? Any need for a medical certificate if that happens? Any red flag if that happens 1 or 2 times per year?

Thanks and happy flying to all!!
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 13:39
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What happens if you fail your captain selection or your upgrade course? How many chances are you given? If you fail are you fired or are their career FO's there?
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 19:43
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What happens if you fail your captain selection or your upgrade course? How many chances are you given? If you fail are you fired or are their career FO's there?
It varies.
if you are a Direct entry Captain and fail you most likely will not get a second chance, although we had a guy approximately 4 years ago they failed twice even though he had several years experience in Japan.
They seem to fail 50% of the Direct entry captains
If you are an FO and you fail the evaluation, you will have another chance after some time, usually a year. Iif you fail the Captain upgrade training most likely you are done.

Rotten things are going on here, and you stand a chance to fail despite your best effort.
I have seen this company ruin several blokes careers for no valid reason.

Think twice before coming here, and use your interview wisely to evaluate the threat you will face.
You will see it immediately at the panel interview.

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Old 5th Sep 2018, 22:35
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for FO's upgrading, the policy is one gets 2 attempts at the upgrade, including the upgrade evaluation. After the 1st unsuccessful attempt, usually a 1 year wait is required before another go. After the second failed attempt, generally the FO will have the opportunity to continue on an FO contract. Policies here are, at times, somewhat fluid.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 09:19
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Concerning the upgrade evaluation, does this mean ppl will fail for the most stupid reasons?
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 10:59
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They seem to fail 50% of the Direct entry captains
You keep quoting this number, Armani, but what evidence do you have that this is correct, because it is certainly at odds with what I have observed?

Very few pilots have joined as DECs in the last few years, especially since they required a JCAB ATPL. I haven't followed the progress of those in great detail and it may well be that a proportion did not get through but when we had DECs without a JCAB ATPL then nothing like 50% failed, in fact I'd be surprised if it was even 10%.

I'm not suggesting that people don't look carefully at all aspects of the job before leaping but stop trying to scaremonger with blatantly false information.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 07:47
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F-mate,

Of course there was only a matter of time before you had to step in.
We have had quite a few conversations over the past years you and I, so I know you all too well.
Your reputation among the blokes at AJX is that you are a Big mouth.........You are the Fake News of AJX.
We know you like this job, and that you think you are part of the Japanese elite, but please let other people have a say as well. You may not like that people have different opinions, but you need to lay off the Kool Aid mate!
Pehaps take up some hobbies outside of aviation !

Saying that I’m trying to scaremonger with blatantly false information while admitting that you “haven’t followed the progress in great detail” is quite unprofessional and unnecessary. In your opinion anything negative about AJX should be discussed somewhere around the streets of Narita, but you fail to understand that this website isn’t solely yours, and people thinking about joining deserve the truth, don’t they!
I have worked here many years just like you, and I am stating facts.
I would say that in the future we have to agree to disagree.
See you around the patch in Narita.
Thats all I have to say about that.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 17:14
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Nothing says "Professional pilot group" like a good'ol fashioned catfight on a pilot's bitchboard! LOL
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 23:56
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Too much time in the Goldfish bowl that is Narita,
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 09:58
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Fratemate realistically represents the goings on at AJX. The fashionable brands contribution, can be measured by the first sentence.
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