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Can anyone from Air Sahara provide some feedback on the hiring there . I am talking for Local Trainee F/O positions and in particulary about the CRJ and the training period , type of bond , present working conditions etc .
How much of a transition is it from a CRJ to a Boeing or an Airbus and how much time does it usually take to move on from the right seat to the left in a CRJ ? Is it advantageous to do that rather than to jump into a bigger jet straight up , pros and cons ?!?!
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How much of a transition is it from a CRJ to a Boeing or an Airbus and how much time does it usually take to move on from the right seat to the left in a CRJ ? Is it advantageous to do that rather than to jump into a bigger jet straight up , pros and cons ?!?!
Many thanks !!
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Wow...had just the same query in me head.....
Anyone............????????
Also, I heard of some recruitment happening in Spice recently. Are they still conducting interviews??
cheers
Anyone............????????
Also, I heard of some recruitment happening in Spice recently. Are they still conducting interviews??
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No bond with Sahara - you pay for your TR up front. 8.5 lakhs for the CRJ, 17 for the 737 (classics & NG). These are industry standard prices.
From signing contract to end of route checks etc... approx 3-4 months. IMHO Very good working conditions - relaxed - if you want to fly, you fly a lot, if you don't - you do your 50 Hrs/month & go home.
Only disadvantage of CRJ - now not recognised as a JAR25 a/c anymore.
Always better to have a "bigger" a/c endorsed on your licence - but really its horses for courses.
Good luck
HPC
No bond with Sahara - you pay for your TR up front. 8.5 lakhs for the CRJ, 17 for the 737 (classics & NG). These are industry standard prices.
From signing contract to end of route checks etc... approx 3-4 months. IMHO Very good working conditions - relaxed - if you want to fly, you fly a lot, if you don't - you do your 50 Hrs/month & go home.
Only disadvantage of CRJ - now not recognised as a JAR25 a/c anymore.
Always better to have a "bigger" a/c endorsed on your licence - but really its horses for courses.
Good luck
HPC
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The a/c is not really affected, but say the crew fancied a move to fly for an operator in Europe, they may come across a few hurdles.
A number of EU operators no longer recognise the CRJ (200) in particular as being "quality jet time." Examples of these a/c are now extensively being operated as Corporate jets in & around Europe, which the commercial legislators have recognised & therefore, removed them from JAR25 status.
However, there is extensive lobbying against this move being directed at JAA....watch this space
HPC
A number of EU operators no longer recognise the CRJ (200) in particular as being "quality jet time." Examples of these a/c are now extensively being operated as Corporate jets in & around Europe, which the commercial legislators have recognised & therefore, removed them from JAR25 status.
However, there is extensive lobbying against this move being directed at JAA....watch this space
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It thought that it had something to do with the electrical problems that needed to be rectified .
A jet is a jet and shouldnt all time in jets be recognised as jet time ?!?! I mean to say that if you fly for a corporate , it is still a jet and still jet time .
Thanks HPC
P S : Why do you think that Air Sahara has not yet changed thier poilcy of upfront money ?!?! Are they not in need of Pilots and do they not need to have policies at par with thier competators ?!?!
A jet is a jet and shouldnt all time in jets be recognised as jet time ?!?! I mean to say that if you fly for a corporate , it is still a jet and still jet time .
Thanks HPC
P S : Why do you think that Air Sahara has not yet changed thier poilcy of upfront money ?!?! Are they not in need of Pilots and do they not need to have policies at par with thier competators ?!?!
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hey lucky strike...
as far as the CRJ being JAR25 disqualified or not, it should be of no concern to an Indian looking to work in India , of more importance should be the airline that you work for and the type rating that you pay for.
a) If you have the money , getting typed on an Airbus/boeing is better and makes more sense consiering the market for these aircraft in India.
b) have heard of some carriers(rumor) of not taking money up front, just bank gaurantee and a bond signed , me thinks a better option any day.
That said, the CRJ is a wonderful aircraft to fly and in many ways more modern than a 737NG (EICAS,CASM & dark cockpit philosophy) , some say that Airbus prefers CRJ pilots due to the commonality and ease of transition to Airbus from CRJ .The -200 that Sahara flies doesnt have autothrottle and engines are not really meant for Indian conditions(flat rated ISA+7) but otherwise a great aircraft.
Hope this helps and best of luck , we're now spoilt for choice in India, thank god...
as far as the CRJ being JAR25 disqualified or not, it should be of no concern to an Indian looking to work in India , of more importance should be the airline that you work for and the type rating that you pay for.
a) If you have the money , getting typed on an Airbus/boeing is better and makes more sense consiering the market for these aircraft in India.
b) have heard of some carriers(rumor) of not taking money up front, just bank gaurantee and a bond signed , me thinks a better option any day.
That said, the CRJ is a wonderful aircraft to fly and in many ways more modern than a 737NG (EICAS,CASM & dark cockpit philosophy) , some say that Airbus prefers CRJ pilots due to the commonality and ease of transition to Airbus from CRJ .The -200 that Sahara flies doesnt have autothrottle and engines are not really meant for Indian conditions(flat rated ISA+7) but otherwise a great aircraft.
Hope this helps and best of luck , we're now spoilt for choice in India, thank god...
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It thought that it had something to do with the electrical problems that needed to be rectified .
A jet is a jet and shouldnt all time in jets be recognised as jet time ?!?! I mean to say that if you fly for a corporate , it is still a jet and still jet time .
P S : Why do you think that Air Sahara has not yet changed thier poilcy of upfront money ?!?! Are they not in need of Pilots and do they not need to have policies at par with thier competators ?!?!
A jet is a jet and shouldnt all time in jets be recognised as jet time ?!?! I mean to say that if you fly for a corporate , it is still a jet and still jet time .
P S : Why do you think that Air Sahara has not yet changed thier poilcy of upfront money ?!?! Are they not in need of Pilots and do they not need to have policies at par with thier competators ?!?!
2nd - Whats to stop someone like Jet Airways asking for money up front? That is Sahara's policy, & who are you or I to tell them otherwise. There are people who have the money and are willing to spend it for an up front TR. As far as having policies on par with their competitors - If you get a chance, look at the contract that is currently offered to a newly hired FO with Spicejet, & look at the one being offered by Sahara. Take into account all factors inc Inflation, personal development as a pilot etc etc.. & the Spicejet contract is worth **** in my opinion.
If you do the sums, being bonded is a definate no - no. You get shafted in the long run. If you look at the thread about Pay scales in Asia, I'm sure there is an FO with Jet, coming home with something in the region of Rs82,000 pcm. I can't remember if he also has to pay for his training after that. Now, take the Sahara FO who brings home a min of Rs 145,000 basic for 50hrs of flying pcm, & you will see with a bit of arithmetic that the 17 lakhs invested in his/her 737TR, will be re-couped with a bit of OT, in well under 5 yrs (which I think is the current bond period - pls correct me if I'm wrong).
India is currently a great spring-board to start ones carreer in aviation, & not being bonded will give the individual the flexibility to move to pastures new, without having to perhaps miss out on some really good opportunities outside of India.
I hope this answers some of your questions - But I must stress, these are my opinions & many others will have their point of view. Work within your own budgets, & choose an operator that suits you until your next step.
Good luck in the future
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Sure I know each Jet is different . I was talking about it with reference to logging of Jet time .
Thanks and Best Wishes HPC and Masalama ..
Thanks and Best Wishes HPC and Masalama ..
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Hi, Guys what is their website address to apply or look for position's.
Can anyone from Air Sahara provide some feedback on the hiring there . I am talking for Local Trainee F/O positions and in particulary about the CRJ and the training period , type of bond , present working conditions etc .
How much of a transition is it from a CRJ to a Boeing or an Airbus and how much time does it usually take to move on from the right seat to the left in a CRJ ? Is it advantageous to do that rather than to jump into a bigger jet straight up , pros and cons ?!?!
Many thanks !!
How much of a transition is it from a CRJ to a Boeing or an Airbus and how much time does it usually take to move on from the right seat to the left in a CRJ ? Is it advantageous to do that rather than to jump into a bigger jet straight up , pros and cons ?!?!
Many thanks !!
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What is their website address. how to look for Jobs
Lucky
No bond with Sahara - you pay for your TR up front. 8.5 lakhs for the CRJ, 17 for the 737 (classics & NG). These are industry standard prices.
From signing contract to end of route checks etc... approx 3-4 months. IMHO Very good working conditions - relaxed - if you want to fly, you fly a lot, if you don't - you do your 50 Hrs/month & go home.
Only disadvantage of CRJ - now not recognised as a JAR25 a/c anymore.
Always better to have a "bigger" a/c endorsed on your licence - but really its horses for courses.
Good luck
HPC
No bond with Sahara - you pay for your TR up front. 8.5 lakhs for the CRJ, 17 for the 737 (classics & NG). These are industry standard prices.
From signing contract to end of route checks etc... approx 3-4 months. IMHO Very good working conditions - relaxed - if you want to fly, you fly a lot, if you don't - you do your 50 Hrs/month & go home.
Only disadvantage of CRJ - now not recognised as a JAR25 a/c anymore.
Always better to have a "bigger" a/c endorsed on your licence - but really its horses for courses.
Good luck
HPC
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Try www.airsahara.net & go the carreers section, fill in the application form & await reply.
2nd option - It really helps if you know someone quite high up within the organisation, who can fast-track your application. eg Senior Capt or above.
BTW Glidepath2 - If you are in the US, I think it would be more prudent if you did the applying from within India, as it would help you greatly in getting things done quicker.
Good luck with the above
HPC
2nd option - It really helps if you know someone quite high up within the organisation, who can fast-track your application. eg Senior Capt or above.
BTW Glidepath2 - If you are in the US, I think it would be more prudent if you did the applying from within India, as it would help you greatly in getting things done quicker.
Good luck with the above
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I'm not going to get into a public slagging match on line about the ifs & buts of their contract. All I said in my previous post was, with a bit of arithmetic you stand to lose out being bonded - & this was evident to me upon looking a little bit deeper into their contract. It wasn't just the money - I took into account the lack of other provisions given to most pilots in contracts - that semd to be inherintly missing from their's.
Lucky, if you want to; PM me & I'll give you a slightly more detailed outline to the abovementioned.
HPC
Lucky, if you want to; PM me & I'll give you a slightly more detailed outline to the abovementioned.
HPC
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